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The TV rights thread

Who would you like to see get the rights providing the price is right?

  • Seven

    Votes: 57 20.5%
  • Nine

    Votes: 49 17.6%
  • Ten

    Votes: 110 39.6%
  • Rights split between FTA channels

    Votes: 147 52.9%

  • Total voters
    278
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docbrown

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With decent coverage in Perth & Adelaide it would have beaten last year's record.

Game II will likely do that. With Perth and Adelaide, could even post 3.7million average. If/when ;) Blues square the series, Game III could then even trounce that.

I love the fact that on the same day we see Foxtel finally post their anticipated $2 billion bid for a Regional broadcaster - we also see regional (not the metros...) ratings alone for Origin I that exceed the national ratings for all the AFL club games this year. And there's two more games to come.

People who dismiss the advertising and subscription potential of the regional markets know very little about television. And those who dismiss Rugby League's audiences and deathride them are just plain morons.
 

docbrown

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Doesnt look like telstra is pulling out of pay, according to this they own most of Foxtel anyway

No but they're aware that subcription television and the internet are going to merge so they're covering their bases. Don't be surprised if in 10 years Foxtel and T-Box are exactly the same thing. Hence why Telstra is trying to buy up the internet market place now before the competitors get a leg up.

That said, you can see how if another internet tv/subscription tv competitor came in and won the Rugby League rights, you can see what impact that would have on Telstra, effectively hitting them twice.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...e-of-competition/story-e6frg996-1226065227317

Samuel to block sports net 'lock-up' for the sake of competition

James Chessell
From: The Australian
May 30, 2011 12:00AM

THE competition regulator has warned it could block companies seeking to "lock up" premium sports rights and other content to ensure the media landscape remains competitive after the construction of the National Broadband Network.

Outgoing Australian Competition & Consumer Commission chairman Graeme Samuel said that while ubiquitous high-speed broadband created the "real potential for some interesting competition", established media and telecommunications companies could pre-empt the NBN by monopolising premium digital sports rights.

"What I think that (the ACCC) is going to watch for is the potential lock-up of content beyond the recent AFL deal," Mr Samuel said. "We have to keep a constant eye on the deals that are being done and might be done in the future to ensure that you don't get to a position where you have an open access pipe (the NBN) that anyone can get on to, you've got multiple channels but, oops, there's nothing to put down it."

Mr Samuel spoke to The Australian the day after pay-television group Foxtel announced a conditional $1.9 billion bid for its regional counterpart, Austar. Mr Samuel, who leaves the ACCC in July, would not discuss the Foxtel proposal specifically given it is the subject of market inquiries by the regulator. But his comments give a clear indication of what he regards as the main competition issues facing the media sector. "We used to look at things in terms of mediums -- newspapers, radio and television -- but the issue of content at the very beginning is becoming so much more important," he said.

Despite rapid technological changes since 2003, Mr Samuel argued the competitive landscape had not changed greatly during his tenure as a result of mergers or acquisitions. While Seven Group executive chairman Kerry Stokes has made substantial investments in West Australian Newspapers and James Packer's Consolidated Media Holdings, Mr Samuel said shifts in power among big media companies had mostly been due to good or bad management.

"There are all sorts of moves that are taking place but I'm not sure we've seen anything dramatic," he said. "We haven't seen News Limited try to take over a free-to-air television station, for example."

Lachlan Murdoch and Mr Packer's decision to buy 9 per cent each of Ten Network in November sparked speculation about the competition implications for sports rights. Mr Murdoch, who is interim Ten chief executive, has changed sports multi-channel One into a general entertainment offering. He also sits on the board of News Corporation (publisher of The Australian), which owns 25 per cent of Foxtel and competes for some sports rights. Telstra owns 50 per cent of Foxtel while Mr Packer's Consolidated Media Holdings holds the remaining 25 per cent.

Mr Samuel said the regulator would act only if there was "a real chance" any investment could substantiality lessen competition, rather than react to press reports. "People say 'When are you going to finish the review of Ten?"' he said. "I say the investments have already taken place. We can't operate on the basis of media speculation about what Lachlan might do or whether he is still friendly with James Packer. You've got to actually see what happens and then deal with it."

Mr Samuel said the local market's focus on "moguls" was sometimes a distraction from substantive issues. "With media mergers and media moves, there is almost an obsessive frenzy about what is going to happen," he said. "The guys (at the ACCC) are well and truly removed from that frenzy. They'll read the newspapers but it is merely interesting. It is not compelling evidence of what might happen."

Mr Samuel welcomed the 2012-16 AFL broadcast rights deal won by Seven Media Group, Foxtel, Austar and Telstra last month as an example of media companies and telcos being prepared to pay up for pay-TV, mobile and internet television rights. Telstra, Foxtel and Austar paid $693 million in cash for expanded rights that allows them to show almost every match live.

But with premium sport one of the last examples of available exclusive content -- movies are widely available on IPTV platforms -- Mr Samuel warned the NBN's potential to stimulate competition was not guaranteed.

"We've seen a group that has locked up AFL," he said. "Let's assume the one group was to acquire AFL, NRL and cricket and lock it all up then you'd start to have some concerns. Because what starts to happen, particularly as you get into mobile and IPTV, is that it starts to potentially lead to a situation where it doesn't matter how many distribution mediums you have, nobody is taking them up."

This would suggest it would be difficult for Telstra -- which owns 50 per cent of Foxtel -- to acquire the IPTV and mobile rights for all major sports. Telstra also offers a scaled-down Foxtel package via IPTV through its T-Box. Pay-TV consolidation is less clear-cut. Foxtel and Austar only compete directly for customers on the Gold Coast.

Commonwealth Bank analyst Dominique d'Avrincourt believes the deal will be approved but says: "It is possible the ACCC perceives an acquisition as a potential lessening of future potential broadband competition due to Telstra's 50 per cent ownership."

Optus claims the Foxtel acquisition "may have significant adverse implications for competition on the (NBN) by strengthening Telstra's ability to exploit triple-play services". Triple play refers to the bundling of fixed-line telephony, broadband and pay-TV in one consumer package.

Gabrielle Ford, a director of mergers division at the ACCC, said the general issue of bundling was something the regulator monitored closely.

Mr Samuel said that content-sharing agreements -- Foxtel struck a new satellite agreement with Optus in December -- "could possibly" become more common once the NBN is constructed.

Mr Samuel said the market for premium sports rights was also affected by anti-siphoning rules that ensur mainstream sport is kept on free-to-air TV as well new IPTV entrants such as Fetch TV. Pitched as a slimmed-down and cheaper alternative to Foxtel, Fetch has announced deals with broadband subscribers including iiNet and Optus.

"The first serious sign of (IPTV competition) we've got is FetchTV," he said.

"But, frankly, trying to forecast what will happen in the foreseeable future is really difficult indeed."
 

Green Machine

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Big pay day coming for the Packers and the Murdochs:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...s-parents-begins/story-e6frg996-1226065174433



Honeymoon for Foxtel Sports' parents begins

THE marriage of Australia's two surviving pay-TV operators, Foxtel and Austar, is finally about to happen after years of frustrated courting. This will be just the beginning of a spectacularly lucrative journey for Foxtel's parents.

After the trip up the aisle, assuming no last minute objections from the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission, the newlyweds will have to deal with their bastard child -- Fox Sports.
And when that is done, they'll sell themselves to anyone. Before we leave these tortured wedding analogies we should mention that if anyone gets screwed in the process, it's unlikely to be the parents.
Pay-TV came late to Australia. Until the 1990s, the powerful free-to-air lobby led by the late Kerry Packer stymied those wanting to follow the US and bring multiple viewing choices to local viewers.
When the Keating government bowed to the pressure it was keen to ensure we had a competitive pay-TV environment. As if competition between the free-to-air and pay sectors was not enough, the government insisted on multiple operators in the new game. It conducted risible auctions for licences to bring pay-TV to the masses. The process was confused by cleverly constructed cascading bids that saw the licences end up in the hands of cowboys, who sold them on to entities that had more financial backing and the know-how to establish a viable business.
But it was not enough. The first operator, Australis, went broke and the costs of the Packer-backed Optus service nearly sent its telco parent to the wall. The story is vividly told in Mark Westfield's 2000 book The Gatekeepers and from today's viewpoint it shows the insanity of governments dictating the terms on which businesses should be run.


The key player in the early days of Foxtel was Kerry Packer. He initially agreed to be part of the PMT consortium -- Packer, Murdoch, Telstra -- but he reneged before any licences were issued, preferring to risk a bigger share of the pie through a partnership with Telstra's biggest competitor, Optus.
Murdoch and Telstra pressed on as 50-50 partners in Foxtel but when Packer saw that Optus had neither the firepower nor the skills to win the battle for subscribers, he exercised an agreement that allowed him back into Foxtel. Murdoch and Packer expected each partner to have 33 per cent of the business. Trouble was, their agreement did not include Telstra. The then chief executive, Frank Blount, refused to water down his shareholding, and Packer and Murdoch were forced to take 25 per cent each. But Murdoch held the whip hand because his News Limited (owner of The Australian) held management rights.
Blount's refusal set the scene for much animosity between the partners. It created a dysfunctional board and internal feuds, which have been buried only recently. This inability to align interests has twice before derailed proposals to merge Foxtel and Austar.
Perhaps anticipating an unhappy relationship between the partners, Packer and Murdoch engineered a clever play to get their own back on Blount. They became partners in the Premier Media Group, which owned the Fox Sports channels. They bid for and tied up pay-TV rights to the world's major sporting events and then charged premium rates for Foxtel to broadcast those sports. PMG became hugely profitable, as Foxtel struggled to make a quid.
Telstra fumed that PMG's profits covered Foxtel's losses. It argued that sport was such a vital part of the Foxtel business that Foxtel should hold the rights. The PMG partners claimed that Telstra was overcharging for the use of its cable and was making equal profits at the expense of Foxtel. The early noughties were a period of great acrimony.
These arm wrestles lost their intensity as Foxtel's subscriber numbers grew and the company moved into profit. Chief executive Kim Williams was a skilful peacemaker -- a process helped by Telstra's need to draw on Foxtel content to power its mobile TV and T-Box services. In recent years, co-operation has made more sense than aggression. Nevertheless, Telstra twice kyboshed moves to merge with Austar, each time baulking at the price to be paid to the wily American, John Malone. In 2007, he was immovable on a $2 share price and Telstra refused to take on the debt that would be required to fund a $2.2 billion deal. Now Malone has agreed to $1.52, but with a much stronger Australian dollar, which values the deal at $US2bn ($1.9bn).
The numbers stack up. Last year, Foxtel made $278 million profit on subscriber revenues of $1.78bn. Austar made almost $100m on subscriber revenues of $711m. Put them together, add advertising revenues and an expected $70m annual efficiency gain, and you have a company with revenues of about $2.8bn and profits nudging $500m. Subscriber numbers have been slow to grow in recent years because of consumer uncertainty related to the global financial crisis and the introduction of the 15-channel FTA Freeview service, which included dedicated news and kids channels, once the exclusive preserve of the pay sector.
But revenues have still grown thanks to new technologies such as the IQ2 recorder boxes and new high-definition channels, which have encouraged subscribers to upgrade their services. The vital statistic of average revenue per unit (ARPU) has risen to $1100 annually for Foxtel and $1000 for Austar. Both businesses have managed to keep churn -- the percentage of people who quit the service after sampling it -- to between 10 and 12 per cent.
The next step will almost certainly be a public float of the business. It might take a year or two to get regulatory approvals and bed down the merger and the partners may decide to wait for propitious market conditions.
The investment community would probably insist the PMG/Fox Sports situation also be resolved so that Foxtel is master of its own sports destiny. Murdoch and Packer interests would expect a very big payday from the sale of PMG into Foxtel, and that would be followed by another jackpot when they sold a swag of their shares into the market.
Assuming a $500m profit (on today's numbers) and a conservative 10 times price-earnings for the float, and you're looking at about $5bn. That would make the past years of grief worth every minute.
 

taipan

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So these clowns now have the money to pay rugby league what it really is worth,not some amount to keep the code under their heel.
 

docbrown

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http://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/...-optus-box-coming-to-challenge-the-foxbox-360

Is an Optus box coming to challenge the FoXbox 360?

Although Optus once had its own pay TV service called Optus Vision, Optus’ vision for a pay TV seemed to go blind once it was all subsumed into Foxtel, but now a report says Optus is preparing a Telstra-like T-Box of its own.

The pay TV news of the past 24 hours has revolved around Foxtel coming to a new deal with Telstra over unmetering Foxtel on Xbox 360 content for BigPond subscribers, while also delivering six new BigPond TV channels.

Telstra certainly hasn’t been backward in ensuring as much TV, music and movie content as possible over the past few years, separate to its 50% ownership of the Foxtel service, and has even been very proactive in delivering Mobile Foxtel IPTV to its Next G mobile subscribers.

Readers of my article yesterday will note my years-long complaint to Telstra that it seems unwilling to deliver Mobile Foxtel content in widescreen. The original excuse was that flip-phones and others with traditional keypads would see too slim an image if it was presented “wide”.

But that’s now no longer the case – most people have smartphones with large, iPhone-esque screens, perfect for playing widescreen content.

At least Foxtel on Xbox 360 users won’t be so badly treated, they’ll be suffering no “chopped off” sides but instead will see an IPTV version of Foxtel in all its glory.

Yes, there are issues in quickly getting to watch Foxtel, plus there’s no ability to rewind, pause or fast forward Foxtel delivered via Xbox 360, something Microsoft really should look at fixing.

Anyway, the news about Optus’ box challenging Foxtel was delivered by ChannelNews, which claimed that “Optus is set to deliver a brand new media centre box to up to 500,000 Australians in an effort to take on Telstra's T Box service, which has, in 8 months attracted over 175,000 users. What is not known is how Optus will get so many boxes to market.”

As I've said before: integrated TV, Internet and Mobile Coverage. A genuine competitor to Foxtel.

Wouldn't you want to secure rugby league - the number TV sport - in order to sell your product?
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...llop-should-heed/story-e6frg7t6-1226068975098

The bold approach that Gallop should heed

Stuart Honeysett
From: The Australian
June 04, 2011 12:00AM

DAVID Gallop faces the biggest test of his leadership when he sits down to officially begin talks over the next broadcast contract.

On one hand, he has the networks lining up and salivating at the prospect of one of the hottest sporting commodities on the Australian sporting landscape. To them, too much is not enough.

On the other hand, he has even more NRL players lining up to complain about the demands being placed on their bodies. To them, less would be better and is desperately overdue.

The backlash is growing. South Sydney chief executive Shane Richardson became one of the first club bosses to break ranks this week and call for a 22-round season.

Now the doyen of coaches, Wayne Bennett, has joined the chorus calling for a shortened season. He went even further than Richardson, saying Gallop needs to do the driving when he sits down with the networks. Don't get sucked in by talk about them wanting a 24-round competition. Tell them that it's 22 and ask them how much are they willing to pay for it. Bennett said he'd be prepared to take a bit less money if it meant the players' welfare was improved. But as the game is going so well at the moment, would that really be the case?

It is a bold approach but it is one that Gallop should heed when the independent commission starts and gives him the green light to begin formal talks with the networks. The game is flourishing and estimates have already valued the next deal at $1 billion. Gallop will have plenty of heavyweights in his corner to help him. Likely commissioner Gary Pemberton played a leading role in negotiating the broadcast deal for the 2000 Sydney Olympics.

Would the game suffer greatly if it was reduced by an odd home and away match each season? Clubs fear it because they are concerned it will affect their bottom line. But is someone seriously suggesting that Penrith would miss a home game like last Monday's offering against Souths when a tick over 5000 fans turned up on a wet and miserable night?

The time has come to reduce the number of rounds in the competition as the overall season is too physically taxing on the elite players.

The drums are beating for Gallop. Hopefully he can hear them before the television deal is done. The players are counting on him.
 

BunniesMan

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22 NRL rounds + Origin + Tests + a pre-season comp if they sort that out.

We aren’t the AFL, our game has more than one level.

:lol:

like you'd have any idea
The over/under right now is a billion dollars. If we get a billion for the schedule as it is now, we'd still be more than doubling our money from tv compared to our current deal. We won't get a billion by losing 4 rounds.

And if you expect to have a shorter season and not lose any money, you're delusional. Bennett even says he'd settle for less money for the benefit of a shorter season.

If you're happy with less money then support a shorter season, if you want the maximum amount of revenue then logically you don't want a shorter season.
 

Brutus

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What is Gallop doing even being mentioned in the same breath as "TV negotiations"?

I thought he was going to be kept well away.

Doesn't seem like it.
 

BunniesMan

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What is Gallop doing even being mentioned in the same breath as "TV negotiations"?

I thought he was going to be kept well away.

Doesn't seem like it.
If the IC was up a year ago like it was ment to be then maybe. But there is literally noone else to do the negotiation right now.
 

docbrown

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It's still to do with competitive tension. They could come out of the gates with that and then to boost the bid by getting them to negotiate for more rounds.

However - having 4 less rounds - but more importantly 12 - 16 less F2A games - is a hard sell.

The best alternative I've heard thus far to managing the rep season has been to introduct a knockout cup. So yes - teams could have a 22-23 round regular H & A season - but also play a handful of knockout cup games. But as not every team qualifies, some are still getting breaks.

The rep players would be missing during origin so the knockout cup teams feature non-rep players - but - you can sell the games like Finals matches - so they only feature proven/winning teams (losing teams like Sharks/Raiders etc would be having a break after they got knocked out - or they pick up form in the comp and that lifts their overall season).

The income generated from such a tournament could more than easily offset the loss of 4 regular rounds because the matches in themselves would be bigger in scope. So overall there'd be less matches overall but more revenue.

For example:

Friday Night - Challenge Cup Final
Saturday Night - New Zealand vs Pacific All Stars
Sunday - State of Origin III

I think the Cup Final could post 1.5 million nationally if it becomes a big event.

The key here is how the Cup ties back into the regular season. I still think it would have to be awarding points to winning teams - maybe not as much as regular season games, but enough to make sure fans and clubs put in their best effort.
 
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