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The TV rights thread

Who would you like to see get the rights providing the price is right?

  • Seven

    Votes: 57 20.5%
  • Nine

    Votes: 49 17.6%
  • Ten

    Votes: 110 39.6%
  • Rights split between FTA channels

    Votes: 147 52.9%

  • Total voters
    278
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Evenflow

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The 285 million quoted by the Melbourne bloke seems a bit dodge. I think that would mean AFL is supposedly generating close to 10% of all annual TV advertising revenue in Australia.

Regardless of where he's from, given he owns the biggest media buying group in the country i think it's fair to say he knows what he's talking about. I couldn't care less if our next deal outstrips the AFL's or not, as long as it reaches parity or very close to it i'll be more than happy.
 

Brutus

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Man we've been dudded some serious coin in the past thanks to some poorly done deals.

We wouldn't have lost one player to yawnion if we were paid what we are worth.
 

Brutus

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"The NRL allows Nine and Fox Sports to select their games, where Nine picks one, two and five, with Fox taking picks three, five, six, seven and eight."

good to see bitter old Roy is as accurate as ever in his boring rants

Bitter old Roy makes some very valid points and points/facts that the NRL/IC should arm themselves with at the broadcast deal table next time around.

It's just a shame the mob who did the last TV deal, didn't do a bit of extra homework. Talking the product down to justify the dud deal we got will forever stick in my mind.
 

abpanther

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Surprised this hasn't been posted yet, they are talking it up on 2SM, just astounding to see the amount of money that has been lost to the game from this incompetent TV deal, imagine how much better our game would be with this money.

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No easy answer to the $1b question

Roy Masters

November 20, 2010

The NRL and AFL should receive approximately the same rights fees as they generate roughly the same amount of money.

A senior TV executive recently told NRL boss David Gallop of the AFL's expectation of its next broadcasting contract: ''No one at the AFL wants to accept the fact that they got hit on the arse by a rainbow with their last contract.''

The comment was in reference to Channel Nine's then owner, Kerry Packer, making a deathbed offer of $780 million over five years for the rights, a sum that a Channel Seven-Ten consortium was forced to equal under its first-and-last rights deal with the AFL.

The AFL is demanding $1 billion for its 2012-16 contract but negotiations have stalled while the football codes and TV networks await the announcement of changes to the Federal Government's anti-siphoning laws. The NRL is also seeking $1b, based on superior viewer numbers.

However, the comment made by the TV executive to Gallop could also be interpreted as a message the NRL should temper its own expectations, insofar as a leap from the existing payment of $90m a year to $200m is a significant jump.

Yet advertising revenue figures obtained by the Herald from Sydney sources indicate both codes generate about the same amount of money from commercials shown during games, which means - assuming broadcasting costs are similar - both codes should receive approximately the same rights fees.

Three Sydney experts calculate the AFL's eight games a week yield $100m from free-to-air TV, with pay TV adding a further $15m.

They estimate NRL matches shown in Sydney and Brisbane write $70m of commercials on Nine and a further $15m in the regional networks but admit these figures could be higher because of uncertainty over advertising revenue written on Nine's second Friday night game.

The second match (Nine typically beams a Queensland club game into Sydney and a NSW club game into Brisbane) is on delay, and therefore allows the network to slot multiple advertisements into its telecast. Nine's Sunday afternoon game is also on one-hour delay, allowing the network to load up with commercials.

According to Sydney media buyers, rugby league also generates $15m in advertising from pay TV, the same as AFL, a surprising figure considering Foxtel shows five NRL games a week, and AFL three.

Barry O'Brien, the chief executive of PHD Network, said of the AFL's total of $115m and NRL's $100m in advertising: ''These figures seem to be a true reflection of what each of the networks write in advertising revenues for both of the nation's major winter sports.''

However, there are agendas being played in this exercise, with a Melbourne media buyer saying the amount of advertising written was heavily skewed to the AFL.

Based on 13 minutes of commercials per hour in every AFL game, the advertising revenue raised on Seven and Ten in the six metropolitan capitals was cited as $220m and $45m in the regional networks. Pay TV wrote $20m, for an AFL total of $285m.

NRL games, according to the source, generated only $60m on Nine in metropolitan areas; $20m in the regionals and $20m on pay TV.

The wide gap between an AFL total of $285m and an NRL total of $100m is at odds with an observation the nation's leading media buyer, Harold Mitchell, made in a recent Fairfax column when he said he expected the AFL to win $1b at its next rights deal, and the NRL possibly the same.
It also contradicts the main reason given by AFL chief Andrew Demetriou when explaining why the AFL has been so desperate to set up teams on the Gold Coast and Western Sydney.

Demetriou has regularly justified the northern expansion on the basis that nearly 60 per cent of advertising is written in NSW and Queensland.
Given the fact the NRL, which is essentially a game followed in these two states, has eclipsed AFL with a cumulative national audience of 120m this year, compared with the AFL's approximate 115m, it can be safely assumed NRL games attract a significant share of advertising in NSW and Queensland.

The AFL Gold Coast Suns, which enter the competition next season, and the Western Sydney Giants, which begin the following year, will not attract advertising dollars in the north for some time.

For this reason, the AFL is looking to pay TV to provide most of the increase in its hoped for $1b broadcasting contract beginning in 2012. But Foxtel will want better quality AFL games from the anticipated changes. While pay TV is installed in 30 per cent of homes nationally, it is in only in 26 per cent of Melbourne homes, compared with 34 per cent of Sydney homes.

Whereas the NRL's third-best game each week is allocated to Foxtel on Monday nights - generating the highest ratings on pay TV - Seven and Ten effectively on-sell to Foxtel the AFL's fifth-, sixth-, seventh- and eighth-best games.

The Herald revealed this year the AFL and Communications Minister Stephen Conroy were close to agreement on the AFL allocating the third- and fourth-best game to pay TV but this has been denied by the AFL. In any case, who decides what are the best games each round? The AFL? The broadcasters? The government?

The NRL allows Nine and Fox Sports to select their games, where Nine picks one, two and five, with Fox taking picks three, five, six, seven and eight.

Gallop said the choices made by the networks did not necessarily mirror the positions of the competing teams on the premiership ladder.

''It's a very subjective judgment what constitutes the best games when seeking to maximise ratings, as well as showing the best performing teams,'' he said. ''Clearly, there are teams that rate well, irrespective of their position on the ladder. The Broncos [are] a prime example.''

The greatest fear of the football codes and pay TV is the possibility Senator Conroy allows free-to-air TV to buy all games and divert all but the best to the new digital channels.

This is unlikely since it would kill off the Packer-Murdoch-owned Fox Sports but with the anti-siphoning list expiring at the end of the year, and the Greens and independents threatening the new legislation, there might be no list.

No prohibitions of any kind would suit subscription TV. While this would deliver NRL and AFL great riches, the sports are not so short-sighted.
Gallop said: ''Pay TV provides fans with live games, and they pay for it, but free-to-air TV is in every home in Australia, and you need to be there with your high-quality games.''

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/no-easy-answer-to-the-1b-question-20101119-180wm.html
 

Edwahu

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Just because AFL got overs last deal it doesnt mean we got ripped off. If you only generate 100 million Ad revenue do you deserve a 1 billion deal over 5 years?
 

miguel de cervantes

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The AFL got bit in the arse by a rainbow because at the time, with the Swans and Lions coming off (AFL induced) highs, the future looked bright for AFL in the northern states. The TV execs speculated, the TV ratings haven't follow suit.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...lties-for-tv-sports-fouls-20101120-181sa.html

Tougher penalties for TV sports fouls
Jessica Wright
November 21, 2010

EXCLUSIVE

PREMIUM football matches, including the best of the NRL and AFL rounds, and headline cricketing events, are set to stay in the hands of the free-to-air television channels.

But broadcasters that misuse or shelve the rights to major sporting events face harsh penalties under planned changes to legislation.

The Labor government is expected this week to reveal its long-awaited changes to broadcasting laws governing sports and special events, and The Sun-Herald has learnt that pay television will continue to be runner-up for the right to air some of the nation's most lucrative sporting contests.

Australia has strict regulations, known as anti-siphoning laws, that are designed to prevent pay television broadcasters from buying monopoly rights to air ''important and culturally significant events'' before free-to-air television has a chance to bid on them.

The current regulations expire on December 31 and Minister for Communications Stephen Conroy is considering additions and removals from a list of 12 quarantined sporting events that must be broadcast on free-to-air channels. The Sun-Herald understands Cabinet will tick off changes this week that would: allow pay TV to bid directly for some AFL and NRL games, while retaining the ''best of the round'' or blockbuster games for free-to-air; force penalties on broadcasters that did not show certain events live; and allow an extension of free-to-air rights to digital multi-channels.

Twenty20 cricket internationals played in Australia are also tipped to join the list of protected events. Football Federation Australia chief executive Ben Buckley flew to Canberra this week to exhort Senator Conroy to keep Socceroos' World Cup qualifiers off the protected list, concerned a forced free-to-air broadcast would devalue A-League games, which are shown on Foxtel sporting channels.
 

Goddo

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The current regulations expire on December 31 and Minister for Communications Stephen Conroy is considering additions and removals from a list of 12 quarantined sporting events that must be broadcast on free-to-air channels. The Sun-Herald understands Cabinet will tick off changes this week that would: allow pay TV to bid directly for some AFL and NRL games, while retaining the ''best of the round'' or blockbuster games for free-to-air; force penalties on broadcasters that did not show certain events live; and allow an extension of free-to-air rights to digital multi-channels.

The pay TV thing is being pushed very hard by the AFL. The penalties for not showing things live nationally helps us a lot, but them too as they get live games.
 

docbrown

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The pay TV thing is being pushed very hard by the AFL. The penalties for not showing things live nationally helps us a lot, but them too as they get live games.

If AFL go to 2pm live on Saturday on 10 or 3pm on 7 & 3pm live on a Sunday on 7 - then there's no way they'll be on the main FTA network in NSW & QLD.

At the moment they've got the flexibility of an hour so a higher rated program can be slotted in before the news up here.

Friday is a different kettle of fish. 7 don't want to lose Better Homes & Gardens. If anything, if AFL goes live at 7:30pm, I doubt it will increase their ratings, as it will be a small lead in.
 

applesauce

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The pay TV thing is being pushed very hard by the AFL. The penalties for not showing things live nationally helps us a lot, but them too as they get live games.

I don't understand why they would be pushing pay-TV though...

AFL rates shyte on FOX, surely they can't be banking on them paying overs again...:?
 

chefman21

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat.../story-fn59niix-1225958012329?from=public_rss

Channels in late bid for rights to top games
James Chessell From: The Australian November 22, 2010 12:00AM

COMMUNICATIONS Minister Stephen Conroy is still being lobbied over who gets to divide AFL and NRL games between free-to-air and pay TV.

With cabinet this evening set to consider proposed changes to the anti-siphoning list -- which "protect" 1300 sporting events for FTA television -- senior media executives are still arguing over the crucial issue of whether FTA should be given a legislative guarantee that premium football games remain on their networks.

There are also fears among pay-TV executives that with only one sitting week left for federal parliament, Senator Conroy may delay or modify changes to the rules in a move that could give the FTA networks more time to lobby for concessions including the legislative guarantee. Discussion between all sides has been tense in recent days.

Greens leader Bob Brown said yesterday he would introduce a bill that would retain the current anti-siphoning list, which expires on December 31, until "parliament has a chance to consider it".


Under the current arrangement, FTA on-sells four AFL games and five NRL games per round to pay-TV operator Foxtel (which is 25 per cent owned by News Limited, publisher of The Australian).

Senator Conroy is expected to present cabinet with an option that would allow pay-TV to bid for those games directly in a move that could increase the amount Foxtel would bid for broadcast rights.

The FTA networks claim this would allow popular Friday night matches or blockbuster games to drift on to pay-TV.

But the codes argue a guarantee is unnecessary given that they want their premium games to be watched by a broad audience. They also argue less money will flow through to the grassroots of the game if competitive tension is taken out of the bidding process.

Ten Network head of television Grant Blackley told The Australian: "I'm not denying any code the right to want to control their rights but . . . there are always commercial issues at stake."

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said last week: "I don't think we should be leaving that to television networks to divide it up amongst themselves."
 

El Diablo

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http://www.businessspectator.com.au...ng-list-pd20101125-BJ8JD?opendocument&src=rss

Govt announces framework for anti-siphoning list

Published 4:58 PM, 25 Nov 2010

QUICK SUMMARY | FULL STORY

By a staff reporter

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy has announced proposed changes to the nation's anti-siphoning list, with free-to-air broadcasters required to broadcast key sporting events such as the Australian Football League and National Rugby League finals live and in full, while given the opportunity to broadcast other events on their digital multichannels.

The changes have been discussed with the Greens and an independent MP, Senator Conroy told reporters, although the Coalition has yet to be consulted on the politically and commercial contentious issue.

Under the reforms, events such as the Melbourne Cup, Bathurst 1000, and AFL and NRL finals are 'tier 1' events that must be broadcast live and in full by the commercial networks: Network Ten, Channel Nine and Channel Seven.

Regular AFL, NRL and Australian Open games have been classified as 'tier 2' events, and will be permitted for broadcast on the networks' extra services.

Three in four Australians have made the switch to digital television, Senator Conroy said, as Australia nears the analog switch-off at the end of 2013.

Some events have been listed to the list - such as Twenty20 cricket matche involving Australia - while others have been removed, such as non-Australian games of the Rugby Union World Cup.

Senator Conroy says allowing broadcasters to use digital multi-channels will increase the total coverage of sport, particularly live events.

The reforms include 'must-offer' obligations on the free-to-air broadcasters, requiring them to televise anti-siphoned listed events they acquire or offer those rights on to another broadcaster.

"No longer can a free-to-air broadcaster purchase an iconic national event, and then not show it at all. In these circumstances, they must now offer it on to another free-to-air broadcaster to show it," Senator Conroy said.

The media sector has been in the spotlight recently, with billionaires James Packer, Lachlan Murdoch and Gina Rinehart joining the Ten Network's register over the past month. Networks Nine and Seven are both private equity-backed; while pay TV group Foxtel is owned by Foxtel, the Packer-backed Consolidated Media and News.

Questioned about what pay TV gets out of these reforms, Senator Conroy replied: "They get the chance to bid directly for the events. There's a number of them being taken off [the anti-siphoning list], and they get greater freedom but in terms of how do the pay TV community feel about that, I'd let them speak for themselves."
 

jc155776

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Scrap the anti-siphoning laws altogether.

If a sporting group wishes to sell to a Pay TV operator for the most cash then let them.
 

Green Machine

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http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment...events-to-stay-on-free-tv-20101125-188rl.html
Main sporting events to stay on free TV

November 25, 2010 - 5:13PM
Main sport to stay on free TV

The federal government is to create a two-tier anti-siphoning list with major iconic sporting events required to be broadcast on free-to-air TV.

The federal government is to create a two-tier anti-siphoning list with major iconic sporting events going into the first tier with the requirement that they be broadcast on free-to-air TV.
Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said no Australian events shown on free-to-air television had been removed.
He said the major change would be creation of the two-tier anti-siphoning list.
Tier A will comprise nationally iconic events such as the Melbourne Cup, the Bathurst 1000 and the State of Origin series, as well as finals of Australian tournaments such as the NRL and AFL premierships.
Senator Conroy says the most popular sports will remain available to Australians on free-to-air TV under the changes.
"The changes will allow free-to-air broadcasters to take advantage of digital multi-channels to show more sport and show it live," he said.
"The changes to the list will also ensure that hugely popular sports like the Twenty20 cricket involving the Australian team will be protected by the anti-siphoning list."
Senator Conroy said the government was moving to ensure that iconic national events were not purchased by a broadcaster and then not shown.
The reforms will include "must show" obligations on the free to air broadcast.
"It will require them to televise the anti-siphoning listed events that they acquire, or offer those rights on to another broadcaster," he said.
Senator Conroy said some AFL and NRL competition round matches would be taken off the list.
"Currently only four out of eight AFL matches are shown on free-to-air television, and in the NRL only three out of eight," he said.
"And the government will put in place mechanisms to protect the quality of the matches on free to air television.
"As is the case now, the AFL will continue to determine which games are broadcast on free to air television.
"However, the government will put in place a mechanism to protect the quality of games on free-to-air television to ensure Friday and Saturday games remain blockbuster games in the round, and blockbusters like Anzac Day and Queen's Birthday will remain on free-to-air."
Tier B under the anti-siphoning rules include the regular games of the AFL and the NRL premiership seasons shown on free-to-air, and non-finals games of the Australian Open tennis.

Broadcasters will have the flexibility to televise these events on digital multi-channels.

"This will allow broadcasters to dramatically increase the total coverage of sport on free-to-air," Senator Conroy said.

"It will also provide flexibility for broadcasters to show more events live."

He said already 76 per cent of Australians have made the switch to digital television.

"As we move towards the analog switch-off at the end of 2013, I'm sure our anti-siphoning reforms will encourage more people to make the switch," he said.
AAP
 

El Diablo

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http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...ome-antisiphoning-reforms-20101125-188yl.html

AFL, NRL welcome anti-siphoning reforms
Steve Larkin and Sam Lienert
November 25, 2010 - 7:04PM

AAP

Australia's major football codes have welcomed government law changes allowing games to be screened on free to air digital television channels.

Under the federal government's two-tiered reforms announced on Thursday, more sporting events will be available on free to air television's digital format.

All of Australia's qualifying games for soccer's World Cup must be showed on existing analogue free to air, as must all major cricket Twenty20 matches involving Australia, including the T20 World Cup.

The soccer and T20 showpieces were added to an anti-siphoning list which the government split into two tiers.

Tier A events, such as AFL and NRL grand finals, the Melbourne Cup, and Test cricket involving Australia at home and in the United Kingdom, must be screened on free to air channels.

But the government removed four AFL and five NRL regular season matches from the list, meaning they can now be showed on free to air digital platforms or pay television channels.

Currently, the AFL and NRL have to sell rights for all games to free to air networks. Those networks can then be on-sold to pay television providers.

The changes mean both football codes will be allowed to negotiate directly with pay television, resulting in potentially higher returns for television rights.

NRL chief executive David Gallop welcomed the reforms.

"The anti-siphoning list had previously given the free to air networks the right to determine how many matches we could offer subscription television, even though the free to air networks themselves had no intention of telecasting all eight games,", Gallop said in a statement.

"Today's decision more closely reflects what people actually watch.

"But, importantly, it takes away the constraints on our ability to negotiate the best outcome for the clubs, the players and the fans."

Gallop said the reforms would allow the NRL to recoup the full value of their television rights and bargain for broader free to air coverage.

AFL chief operating officer Gillon McLachlan said the reforms were "a sensible and balanced decision" which ensured all matches were televised in all markets.

"I think there is 71 games currently not shown in some market in Australia, there are black spots in our free to air and pay television schedule," McLachlan told reporters in Melbourne.

"That doesn't need to be the case.

"What that does is help enhance national coverage, I think that's a great outcome for football supporters everywhere."

Both the AFL and NRL had committed to provide high quality games for free to air coverage, with a mechanism to guarantee such outcomes to be determined.

"The government was firm in seeking from the AFL significant undertakings to ensure that high quality games will be played on Friday and Saturday nights and we gave those publicly and privately," McLachlan said.

"We want to ensure that we share our showpiece games with the widest possible audience while also having the ability to negotiate with all partners to provide the widest exposure of our sport."

Gallop said the NRL had given similar undertakings.

"Rugby League has always been committed to high quality free to air telecasts across key games each week and across State of Origin, finals games and Tests," he said.

"We have already committed to that philosophy going forward with the minister and will work with the government to address those undertakings in more detail.

"It is important though that the sport is able to determine issues such as fixed and floating season schedules and that it has some say in its free to air offering."
 
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New sport broadcast rules divvy up games
James Chessell From: The Australian November 26, 2010

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...s-divvy-up-games/story-e6frg996-1225961148340



NEW anti-siphoning rules governing sports broadcasting for the first time compel broadcasters to show "iconic" events live.

The new rules, unveiled by Communications Minister Stephen Conroy yesterday, also give pay-TV the ability to bid directly for some key NRL and AFL matches.

But the fierce lobbying from media groups and sporting codes in the lead-up to yesterday's announcement is far from over, with the government yet to resolve the key issue of how key football games will be divided between pay-TV and free-to-air channels.

The new rules were generally greeted positively by interested parties, despite concerns about the length and substance of the negotiating process, which had been going for more than a year.

"I think the minister has approached this sensibly and left us all equally unhappy, which from a government point of view is probably the right outcome," said David Gyngell, chief executive of Nine Network-owner PBL Media.


The biggest change announced by Senator Conroy is to divide up the list, which prevents pay-TV from bidding directly for certain sporting events, into an A-list of iconic sports -- such as the Melbourne Cup or NRL grand final -- and a B-list of events including regular AFL games and non-finals Australian Open tennis matches.

Events on the A-list must be shown live, and in full, while events on the second list can be shown on the digital multi-channels. Senator Conroy argued this would give the FTA networks flexibility to, for example, broadcast NRL games live into Melbourne, rather than on delay.

Some sports, such as Twenty20 cricket internationals played in Australia and Socceroos World Cup qualifiers, will be added to the A-list, while others, such as non-Australian group matches of the Rugby World Cup, have been removed.

For the first time, Foxtel (25 per cent-owned by News Limited, publisher of The Australian) will be able to bid directly for the four AFL games and five NRL games it presently broadcasts each round. The change is designed to increase bidding tension for upcoming sports-rights negotiations.

But before Canberra de-lists the football games, it intends to "finalise a mechanism to protect the quality of games on free-to-air".

Exactly what this mechanism is remains a point of contention among the media companies and sporting codes. Foxtel said it was "disappointed (the games) which are not shown on FTA, are not being removed from the list, without need for additional agreements, as the sports codes have offered perfectly adequate guarantees that the best games will stay on FTA".

It is believed the NRL and AFL agree with this sentiment -- arguing they are best placed to ensure a good spread of games -- although both were broadly supportive of the new package.

"Today's decision more closely reflects what people actually watch but, importantly, it takes away the constraints on our ability to negotiate the best outcome for the clubs, the players and the fans," NRL chief David Gallop said.

AFL chief operating officer Gill McLachlan repeated a commitment that popular games, such as Friday night matches, would remain on FTA while South Australian and West Australian team games would be played on FTA in those states.
 
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i know that this has nothing to do with NRL this post but...

anyone considered this is terrible for the A league?

the soccer rights were bought at a premium because fox wanted the world cup qualifiers. they got everything australian soccer but the main aim was to get the world cup qualifiers.

if theyre now gunna be forced to free to air, sure nine and whatever will bid for them...but thats gunna severely droop the funding from fox to the FFA. this will hurt the A league IMO.

without the WCQ...fox can lowball the a league price. the other networks arent gunna want it..its the only viable option for the sport.

and the soccer is only gunna get so much because the games arent ever in prime time. i watched us play Uzbekistan at 3 in the morning wasnt it?

yeah, they arent gunna get the top dollar.

bad news for the A league


as for NRL. maybe they can broadcast 2 live FNF games. one on Nine, one on GO and then swap em?

genius

id also like to see seperate bidding for state of origin. say 9 put up 750 million for the NRL and finals. but 7 bought test matches and SOO at 250 million. probably more than that as SOO is the biggest drawing
 
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