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The TV rights thread

Who would you like to see get the rights providing the price is right?

  • Seven

    Votes: 57 20.5%
  • Nine

    Votes: 49 17.6%
  • Ten

    Votes: 110 39.6%
  • Rights split between FTA channels

    Votes: 147 52.9%

  • Total voters
    278
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j5o6hn

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Given Murdock's track record in Business which from what I have read is he screwed up everything he has touched, Starting with Super League through to One Tel ably assisted on that debacle by Packer.
I believe people are trying to arrange a ESM to remove both him and Reinhardt from the board.
 
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Given Murdock's track record in Business which from what I have read is he screwed up everything he has touched, Starting with Super League through to One Tel ably assisted on that debacle by Packer.
I believe people are trying to arrange a ESM to remove both him and Reinhardt from the board.

super league was ribot , ken cowley and the elder murdoch.

I dont think lachlan had much to do with it.
 

Gippsy

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The AFL is pushing for live telecasts, yet the TV stations say they will lose money by showing live AFL. There was even another story in the Herald Sun about the record breaking TV ratings that the NRL are getting. This sort of positive story on NRL is usually unheard of.Are they trying to talk down AFL? Either way, it is starting to look more promising for the NRL TV rights, less so for the AFL.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/better-off-delayed/story-e6frf9ox-1226034912742

A LEADING media analyst believes Channel 7 would be sacrificing up to $400,000 in advertising revenue a weekend if forced to show football live.
Seven has this week relented on its long-held policy and will show the Carlton-Collingwood live.
However, Fusion Strategy managing director Steve Allen said Seven can make as much as $20,000 from each extra minute of advertising in its delayed football coverage.
The decision by Seven to fill Sunday afternoon delayed games and most Friday night games with extra ads is extremely lucrative.
When forced to show games live it cannot squeeze extra ads into the telecast between goals.
The network's 7.30pm Friday fixture Better Homes and Gardens is a national ratings bonanza that has massive advertising pull and a broad audience demographic.
Last week Better Homes and Gardens attracted 1,117,000 viewers across the five capital cities, while Seven's telecast into Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide drew 718,000 viewers.
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"Seven would be getting up to $10,000 a 30-second ad, which is $15,000 to $20,000 a minute, so if they can jam an extra 10 minutes of advertisements in, that's $200,000 across a night," Allen said.
"The difference between Better Homes and Gardens and the AFL is that Better Homes is profitable and the AFL is not.
"The NRL rights are profitable, but the AFL's are not."
Networks such as Seven and Ten consistently lose money on their football telecasts, but being a football network helps with cross promotion and general ratings appeal.
Allen said Seven's resistance to move Better Homes and Gardens was also based on it being a difficult program to shift.
"They have moved it to Saturday night this week, and they are probably testing it there, but the lowest viewing night is Saturday night.
"Better Homes and Gardens is a middle-market program which leans to an older demographic and Seven is trying to lean the other way.
"For media buyers, old is daggy. So they are making a deliberate attempt not to put shows like that on early in the week. They are in a tight spot."
 

Perth Red

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Why not? If Fox can make a profit out of those games why couldn't FTA?

I've ofte wondered this? 1/2 mill subscribers paying $10 a week = $260mill a year then chuck in advertising. I guess the cost of production, film crews, hosting of the station etc plus the actual need to market such a venture is what stops it happening. We can;t market a game so doubt we would have the ability to market a subscription channel!
 

m0nty

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i wonder why ESPN don't wish to bid for rights seeing they now have 2 channels

be a good way for them to make money from pubs and clubs

They don't have anywhere near the budget for that locally. They're a farflung outpost, not a real channel.
 

j5o6hn

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(super league was ribot , ken cowley and the elder murdoch.)
Think you might find that Murdock the younger had a damm site more to do with it than his equally grubby Dad
 

Perth Red

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ESPN Australia don;t have the $'s or interest in investing in production ie camera crews etc. They like to buy already produced footage to show on their channels, it is far cheaper, far less of a risk and fills their content schedule far easier.
 

docbrown

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Here’s a rough system for combining a floating/fixed schedule (assuming 18 teams & 9 games after expansion).

When the NRL completes and releases the draw in October/November, the entire first round will be locked away with dates & times (9 games). Furthermore for Rounds 2 to 22, three games each week are also locked away with dates & times (63 games) (with perhaps an additional allowance for the Anzac test/City vs Country games)

This would mean essentially 72 games a season locked in – or 4 home games per team. These games would focus on traditional rivalries, special holiday events & grand final match ups. Each team would be guaranteed at least 2 FTA games by this process.

The allocation of matches at the draw announcement would be as follows:

#1 – Friday 7:30pm (for FTA) or a special public holiday slot
#2 – Sunday 2:00pm/4:00pm (for FTA) or a special public holiday slot
#3 – Saturday 7:30pm, Monday 7:00pm or special Sunday Night games (for Fox)

Then in January the following year, the networks would allocate the timeslots for Rounds 2 to 6 for the remaining 6 matches. The pick allocations for these matches would be as follows:

#1 – FTA (Friday 7:30pm or Sunday 2:00/4:00pm)
#2 – Fox
#3 – FTA (Friday 7:30pm or Sunday 2:00/4:00pm)
#4 to #6 - Fox

Then those same allocations would again be made a month in advance in two round increments:

After Round 2 – (Rounds 7 & 8)
After Round 4 – (Rounds 9 & 10)
After Round 6 – (Rounds 11 & 12)
After Round 8 – (Rounds 13 & 14)
After Round 10 – (Rounds 15 & 16)
After Round 12 – (Rounds 17 & 18)
After Round 14 – (Rounds 19 & 20)
After Round 16 – (Rounds 21 & 22)

For rounds 23 to 26 the allocation would be as follows:

#1 – FTA
#2 – FTA
#3 – Fox
#4 – Fox
#5 – FTA
#6 – FTA
#7 to #9 – Fox

These would then be assigned as such:

After Round 18 – (Rounds 23 & 24)
After Round 20 – (Rounds 25 & 26)
 

Tigger Madness

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http://www.abc.net.au/insidebusiness/content/2011/s3187159.htm



The battle for TV sports rights

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ALAN KOHLER, PRESENTER: Right now the biggest higher stakes game in Australian sport is not out on the paddock, it's being played out among a bunch of suits in corporate board rooms. As Neal Woolrich reports, there's no salary cap in this competition, it's just all in, bare knuckle capitalism.

NEAL WOOLRICH, REPORTER: Just as the on-field action is hotting up, so too a battle is taking place between Australia's major sporting codes. Negotiations for the next round of television rights are in full swing and the stakes have never been higher.

ANDREW DEMETRIOU, CEO, AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL LEAGUE: Out of these broadcast rights, regardless of the financial result, there will never be a greater reach to all of our supporters throughout Australia.

NEAL WOOLRICH: $2 billion worth of contracts are up for grabs over the next three years. The AFL is first out of the blocks and the talk is the league could be close to signing a $1 billion deal over five years for its free-to-air, pay TV and internet rights.

RADIO COMPERE: Will it be a billion dollars worth, as everybody reports?

ANDREW DEMETRIOU: Well, apparently I'm under so much pressure to do that as well so I'll do my best.

STEVE ALLEN, MD, FUSION STRATEGY: If you asked us last year, 2010, we would have said it's possible. But given the retail sales and the advertising market conditions that we're presently facing, a billion dollars is simply not possible.

CHRISTIAN GUERRA, MEDIA ANALYST, GOLDMAN SACHS: I think it's definitely realistic. Certainly, the big change that we saw in the anti-siphoning list is that pay TV can now bid for rights directly and that's a huge positive. And we certainly think that sports rights or sports content itself is absolutely critical to pay TV and we think they will pay up for it.

NEAL WOOLRICH: Goldman Sachs media analyst Guerra has been crunching the numbers on Australia's main sporting codes. Based on attendances and television ratings, he thinks broadcast rights for the AFL, NRL and cricket will go up. Tennis, however, is likely to stay flat, while V8 Supercars could see the value of its rights drop. The most likely outcome is for the various sports to stay with their current networks, but Christian Guerra does expect Nine to make a late push to pinch the free-to-air AFL rights from Seven and Ten.

CHRISTIAN GUERRA: I think if anything, I think Nine'll be certainly motivated to put forward a very good bid because that will force clearly Seven and Ten to pay up. And if Seven and Ten do pay up for AFL, that clearly means that they are in perhaps a weaker position to bid for something like the NRL, which obviously is a Nine property.

NEAL WOOLRICH: Media buyer Steve Allen also expects the value of the NRL and AFL rights to go up, although he warns that conditions in the retail and advertising markets have been subdued for some time.

STEVE ALLEN: 2009 was the worst recession that the advertising businesses has ever had. It was particularly strongly felt in television. And 2010 was simply a recovery year, recovering all the lost ground. This year, revenue is proving to be very hard to increase for television.

NEAL WOOLRICH: Now, television networks are facing a new challenge, with telcos like Vodafone also trying to get their own slice of the lucrative sporting pie.

JOHN CASEY, DIR. OF MARKETING, VODAFONE HUTCHISON AUSTRALIA: Cricket TV is a great example of content which is really right for some of our customers. We've got a bunch of other content which is appropriate for other customer groups. It's really a matter of making sure we've got a good selection of content which meets our customers' needs.

NEAL WOOLRICH: John Casey says Vodafone's Cricket TV application had 250,000 downloads from iTunes alone last summer.

JOHN CASEY: Look, it washed its face on a stand-alone basis, but the important thing for us is that the customers that downloaded and watched Cricket TV amongst our most valuable customers that we've got. So, that's the main thing for us is having valuable customers.

NEAL WOOLRICH: Another threat to the free-to-air networks is catch up television like the ABC's iView, which Steve Allen estimates could account for up to 8 per cent of nightly audiences.

STEVE ALLEN: People are choosing to take television viewing in a much more portable fashion. They want to view when they want to view and they will use whatever device they have or they're comfortable with in order to view what they want to view when they want to view it.

NEAL WOOLRICH: With the NBN looming there could be a big shift in the value of digital rights over the next few years. Telstra currently pays the AFL around $10 to $15 million a year for its internet rights, still just a fraction of the total broadcasting deal. The trick now for the major sporting codes is to get more money from mobile phones and the internet without seeing a drop off in television revenue.

CHRISTIAN GUERRA: What we will see, though, is the telecom operators are clearly intent on getting great content for PC but also for smartphones and in the future things like tablets will become even more important and they will pay up for that. Absolutely, they'll pay up for it.

NEAL WOOLRICH: While the days of the sporting couch potato aren't numbered yet, new media will play a much greater role in delivering sport in the future. And although it might be more convenient, it almost certainly won't be free.
 

Gippsy

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So, it looks like Ch 9 is going to play the same as last time. Have a real hot go at the AFL rights, which Eddie & Co would love to get anyway, but more than likely forcing 7 & 10 to match the offer, meaning they then won't be able to make a serious offer for the NRL, leaving Ch 9 with another bargain.

I'd dearly love 7 & 10 to reverse the roles. Let Ch 9 pay too much for the AFL & have a red hot go at the NRL.
 

BuffaloRules

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For about the tenth time, the NRL deal was decided before the AFL during the last negotiations...

What happens if Channel 9 and Fox do suceed in picking up the AFL this time?

There is going to be a lot of vacant programming on 7 and 10 isnt there?
 

docbrown

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What happens if Channel 9 and Fox do suceed in picking up the AFL this time?

It would actually be great for the NRL because 9 would most likely be onselling 2 of the 4 AFL games to either 7 or 10. Either 7 buys 1 or 2 games and then both 7 & 9 have money up their sleeves for AFL and 9 won't be able to match their previous NRL deal meaning the rights can be broken up.

And word is that 9 are actually the favourites for the AFL now given that they've thrown live Friday night, live Monday night & live NSW & QLD coverage on digitals into the mix, with 7 refusing to budge on their price. The odds are looking likely that the AFL will take less money to gain better coverage.
 

Cumberland Throw

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Seven have the final bid, and I can assure you they will not lose... Nine know this... they can bid $2B and seven will pay it...

Bruce McAveny cried in front of the AFL commission when discussing it for f**k sake...
 
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