The two clubs in serious danger of collapse

[bartman]

Yep, Roosters have their club in Bondi Junction (as mentioned by Ram) yet have a apparel shop called Game Day one street away in Oxford Street mall just to get the passing shopping trade.

Yep ta, that's another one I've noticed in my travels..

 

[bartman]

I'm sure Peter Wynn would just love that. Good luck while DF's still around.

Just a thought, maybe Peter should fork out more sponsorship $$$$ for the privilege of the club not having a rival shopfront outlet closer to the centre of Parra?

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Yep, Roosters have their club in Bondi Junction (as mentioned by Ram) yet have a apparel shop called Game Day one street away in Oxford Street mall just to get the passing shopping trade.

Yep ta, that's another one I've noticed in my travels..

I am not sure Sydney Game Day is actually owned by the Roosters.

http://www.sydneygameday.com.au/

Considering all the merch for other clubs. Then again I am happy to be proved wrong, but if you also consider there is a Sydney Game Day at the gates to the SFS, I would have a sneaking suspicion this is own by the SCG Trust.

 

[bartman]

Fair enough. The one in Bondi Junction looks to have exclusively Roosters merch from the front anyway (as you'd expect).

Their presence there is a good thing for rugby league's presence. I certainly thought about rugby league as soon as I walked past, we could do with something similar in the heart (Station precint/Westfield entrance/southern Church St) of Parra.

 

[TheRam]

Okay, so it is possible, Any thing is possible. As to feasibility, I guess that is what feasibility studies are for. I am sure there are people with enough knowledge to make the case for such a change, but I think we are talking about massive amount of money to capitalise on it. Not just purchasing a high priced piece of Church street, but then either gutting the building or completely knocking it several buildings and building a completely new club.

If you want to go for right in the heart of Parramatta, there are two prime areas to consider. The First is the old David Jones? Building just as you come off from over the Bridge towards Parramatta. There is paid Parking behind the facility, it is quite large, and has a nice exterior for the club to then gut completely and build the required internals. I would personally think that would be the best place.

Next would be the corner of Church and Philip Street, backing towards Erby Pl. But seeing as that is not one building it would require a great deal more work.

Either option has us I think purchasing a Car Park facility directly behind the club, which while a revenue stream could make parking quite difficult at the club. We might have to think about a validation scheme.

Could we use the old club and all our properties for capital, sure, but you would want to hope and pray that beyond the money the club might make, that the Eels wouldn't require a cent and we would be able to pay back that sort of expense in a relatively short time frame.

Thanks MITS, obviously this is just talk, but we need to look at all our options. I for one don't think we could afford to relocate, unless we were to find a super sweet deal due to the great depression that is coming in the next 2 or 3 years. But by the same token all of Parra's assets will have been adversley affected as well.

 

[TheRam]

Lets not get into player behaviour today. I think the NRL is doing a great job trying to drive membership. We have a story this morning revealing there are now 100,000 members of football clubs in the NRL, which is a huge growth. Rather than relying on the NRL, the clubs need to do a lot more work to attract a new audience to their games. I seriously believe the biggest thing holding rugby league back at the moment is the standard of club administration. Unfortunately we’ve still got a chook-raffle mentality and old front rowers still running clubs. Where are their marketing degrees? Where are their financial credentials? Maybe it’s time for fans who really want to make an impact, to get involved by getting voting rights and getting rid of some tired old officials who don’t have a creative bone in their bodies.
Phil Rothfield

Wed 25 Mar 09 (01:31pm)​

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/buzzwords/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/the_two_clubs_in_serious_danger_of_collapse/P20/​

Truer words have never been written.​

 

[mickdo]

Just a thought, maybe Peter should fork out more sponsorship $$$$ for the privilege of the club not having a rival shopfront outlet closer to the centre of Parra?

Oh I agree totally... just can't see it happening any time soon

 

[Bigfella]

Okay, so it is possible, Any thing is possible. As to feasibility, I guess that is what feasibility studies are for. I am sure there are people with enough knowledge to make the case for such a change, but I think we are talking about massive amount of money to capitalise on it. Not just purchasing a high priced piece of Church street, but then either gutting the building or completely knocking it several buildings and building a completely new club.

If you want to go for right in the heart of Parramatta, there are two prime areas to consider. The First is the old David Jones? Building just as you come off from over the Bridge towards Parramatta. There is paid Parking behind the facility, it is quite large, and has a nice exterior for the club to then gut completely and build the required internals. I would personally think that would be the best place.

That would be a cracking venue. Imagine a custom built club built on the river, in the CBD, close to transport and a short walk to the ground.

 

[Sangreal 86]

Okay, so it is possible, Any thing is possible. As to feasibility, I guess that is what feasibility studies are for. I am sure there are people with enough knowledge to make the case for such a change, but I think we are talking about massive amount of money to capitalise on it. Not just purchasing a high priced piece of Church street, but then either gutting the building or completely knocking it several buildings and building a completely new club.

If you want to go for right in the heart of Parramatta, there are two prime areas to consider. The First is the old David Jones? Building just as you come off from over the Bridge towards Parramatta. There is paid Parking behind the facility, it is quite large, and has a nice exterior for the club to then gut completely and build the required internals. I would personally think that would be the best place.


Very perceptive Mark.
Next would be the corner of Church and Philip Street, backing towards Erby Pl. But seeing as that is not one building it would require a great deal more work.

Either option has us I think purchasing a Car Park facility directly behind the club, which while a revenue stream could make parking quite difficult at the club. We might have to think about a validation scheme.

Could we use the old club and all our properties for capital, sure, but you would want to hope and pray that beyond the money the club might make, that the Eels wouldn't require a cent and we would be able to pay back that sort of expense in a relatively short time frame.

 

[Sangreal 86]

Lets not get into player behaviour today. I think the NRL is doing a great job trying to drive membership. We have a story this morning revealing there are now 100,000 members of football clubs in the NRL, which is a huge growth. Rather than relying on the NRL, the clubs need to do a lot more work to attract a new audience to their games. I seriously believe the biggest thing holding rugby league back at the moment is the standard of club administration. Unfortunately we’ve still got a chook-raffle mentality and old front rowers still running clubs. Where are their marketing degrees? Where are their financial credentials? Maybe it’s time for fans who really want to make an impact, to get involved by getting voting rights and getting rid of some tired old officials who don’t have a creative bone in their bodies.
Phil Rothfield

HEY.... whats wrong with old front rowers??

Wed 25 Mar 09 (01:31pm)​

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/buzzwords/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/the_two_clubs_in_serious_danger_of_collapse/P20/​

Truer words have never been written.​

 

[TheRam]

The Dragons are actually doing really well. On the back of Wayne Bennett’s appointment marketing and sponsorship is up. At a leagues club level I’ve got a lot of time for their CEO Danny Robinson and they are making money despite the pokie taxes and smoking bans. The Woollongong side of the merger is not going so well. They’ve had a lot of cost-cutting in football club operations, they’re a great brand and they’ll survive.

Phil Rothield
Wed 25 Mar 09 (01:10 pm)

Sorry , The link is the same as my last post above, but I don't want to put it in cause of the way it warps out the post.

But Saints seem to be doing ok, since they got a decent admin.

 

[TheRam]

HEY.... whats wrong with old front rowers??

Err..Nothing??

 

[Gronk]

I am not sure Sydney Game Day is actually owned by the Roosters.

http://www.sydneygameday.com.au/

Considering all the merch for other clubs. Then again I am happy to be proved wrong, but if you also consider there is a Sydney Game Day at the gates to the SFS, I would have a sneaking suspicion this is own by the SCG Trust.

SYDNEY GAME DAY is a registered business name of EASTERN SUBURBS DISTRICT RUGBY LEAGUE FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED BN98253464

Source: ASIC

 

[NorthShoreEel]

Its the best shop in Bondi Junction! Last year they had the players there to sign stuff - my fiance is not into the footy, but is into the players (fine with me...). It stopped her from shopping for 30 minutes (as she queued) and I was able to nip across the road to the Tab! There should be more fan days at Game day, I say!

 

[bartman]

Ok, so it is a Roosters initiative. That makes sense.

No reason why out club should consider getting a shop front in a prominent part of the Westfield/railway & bus precinct, or on the southern part of Church St in the coming Civic Place re-development (in and around Hungry Jacks and the Town Hall).

The LC serves that need in the north of Parra well, and anywhere near the river and Phillip St is too far away from the main Parramatta action imo to be worth investment.

 

[bartman]

The Dragons are actually doing really well. On the back of Wayne Bennett’s appointment marketing and sponsorship is up. At a leagues club level I’ve got a lot of time for their CEO Danny Robinson and they are making money despite the pokie taxes and smoking bans. The Woollongong side of the merger is not going so well. They’ve had a lot of cost-cutting in football club operations, they’re a great brand and they’ll survive.

Phil Rothield
Wed 25 Mar 09 (01:10 pm)

Wow, who'd have thought it was possible to still make money in the face of these "terrible" laws? :sarcasm:

I guess it just takes some flexibility around your club's planning, and some willingness to try different things - mixed with a little less time spent whinging in the media and to politicians about it all?

 

[MarkInTheStands]

No reason why out club should consider getting a shop front in a prominent part of the Westfield/railway & bus precinct, or on the southern part of Church St in the coming Civic Place re-development (in and around Hungry Jacks and the Town Hall).

The LC serves that need in the north of Parra well, and anywhere near the river and Phillip St is too far away from the main Parramatta action imo to be worth investment.

Apart from us going head to head with a sponsor in Peter Wynns Score.

http://www.parraeels.com.au/default.aspx?s=sponsor-directory

Maybe we should let Wally resell club memberships. I don't know if there would be any profit in that for Wally though.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

The Dragons are actually doing really well. On the back of Wayne Bennett’s appointment marketing and sponsorship is up. At a leagues club level I’ve got a lot of time for their CEO Danny Robinson and they are making money despite the pokie taxes and smoking bans. The Woollongong side of the merger is not going so well. They’ve had a lot of cost-cutting in football club operations, they’re a great brand and they’ll survive.

Phil Rothield
Wed 25 Mar 09 (01:10 pm)

Sorry , The link is the same as my last post above, but I don't want to put it in cause of the way it warps out the post.

But Saints seem to be doing ok, since they got a decent admin.

Wow, who'd have thought it was possible to still make money in the face of these "terrible" laws? :sarcasm:

I guess it just takes some flexibility around your club's planning, and some willingness to try different things - mixed with a little less time spent whinging in the media and to politicians about it all?

Seems someone forgot to tell Buzz about this article from Melbourne

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/nrl/story/0,27074,25135544-5016551,00.html

THE eroding finances of Sydney-based NRL sides became more stark yesterday, with licensed clubs backing St George Illawarra and Sydney Roosters reporting a combined loss of nearly $2 million.

St George Leagues Club and Easts Leagues were again rocked by the NSW Government's higher poker machine tax and indoor smoking restrictions. St George suffered a net loss of $1,099,217, while Easts finished $779,212 in the red for season 2008.

Both would have fared far worse had they not cut their NRL grants and other costs.

 

[bartman]

Apart from us going head to head with a sponsor in Peter Wynns Score.

http://www.parraeels.com.au/default.aspx?s=sponsor-directory

Maybe we should let Wally resell club memberships. I don't know if there would be any profit in that for Wally though.

Well yes.

I think I posted earlier that Peter perhaps should be encouraged to "up" his sponsorship contribution, in return for the Eels missing out on an opportunity to raise our public presence (and merchandising) by leaving that entire geographical marketplace all to Peter?

There's probably room on our jersey sleeve for a web address, if he thought it worthwhile to keep that vital market share?

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Seems someone forgot to tell Buzz about this article from Melbourne

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/nrl/story/0,27074,25135544-5016551,00.html

It is interesting in the Bottom of the Article, the Dragons CEO quotes there Profit before tax and Grants as $3,325,750

I am quite sure last year our club made about 2.5 Million before grants and after Tax.