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The two send offs in parra-souths...useless refs

WaznTheGreat

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So pathetic.

The fact the Eels 2 wins have come off the back of more than questionable reffereeing in their favour is yet another concern.

Oh deary me you must have the IQ of a pet rock,the Eels were all over the Bunnies in the 2nd half and if they didn't bomb a few chances could have won by a much bigger margin.
 

Patsy

Juniors
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its funny that people are bagging 2 refs just like they are the u 20's comp i.e gould etc. as des hasler was against both from the start. after 2 years people are following - maybe he should be in charge of the nrl
 

Fein

First Grade
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Agree on your latter point. But the warning was not for specific infringements but infringements in general. That's why both captains were called out and warned as opposed to just Cayless, as Parramatta were the team penalised when the warning was called.

Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant the actual infringements - the ball stripping was IMHO a penalty whereas Champion was penalised for a shot that wasn't high.
 

cleary89

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The Braith one, I'm pretty sure that was the correct ruling. Once a penalty is given, it can't be reversed. Also, Fa longo got given 10 in the bin.

I don't agree that was the wrong decision, but todays was.

Thinking of making a sign Fire Finch for next weeks game.
 

natheel

Coach
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Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant the actual infringements - the ball stripping was IMHO a penalty whereas Champion was penalised for a shot that wasn't high.

even before that parra were penalised for a very similar shot on sutton i believe which was not high either imo.

at half time as soon as i saw the penalty count was 5-1 i knew parra would get the calls their way, its sad but true, its how the bloody refs have been for a long time, they love getting in the middle of the game and its like they slow it down for themselves to have a bloody rest.

i went to the game and both refs were out in the middle of the field warming up before hand. while the players like usual stuck to the in-goals and did stretches and passing etc the refs were running between the middle of the field putting their hands in the air like the were practicing giving penalties, it was ridiculous, i mean what happened to the refs stretching on the sidelines or even out the back on the training paddocks?
 

Mr Spock!

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I know we've had reffing controversies since our game began but I think the standard of reffing and some of the rules are a serious blight on our game. Comparing our "product" (I hate that term) with AFL where penalties in our game are so influential to the outcome of a game and are handed out at the whim of the ref. The AFL must be laughing at what we're sin binning people for. Could you imagine an AFL player being reported for too many infringements or for whatever Champion did (rugby league is getting soft)???. I don't know why you would sin bin players who keep giving away penalties. Just keep penalising them. Could you imaging - captain gets warned for giving away too many penalties, interchange comes out a couple of minutes later and is offside on the first tackle - sin bin. I'd hate to see these refs reffing some of the good old games with the biff. They'd p*** themselves. (So would some of the players)

Why have we changed rules which have worked for 90 years. The strip rule - when I played you had to hang onto those old leather footballs like your life depended on it now they play with synthetic which is easier to hold onto but we've taken the onus off the ball handler to hold the ball. The obstruction rule - have we only had decoy runners for the last 5 years. Both Gus's creations I do believe for his own advantage.

Have we made rugby league too hard to understand or is the influence of the video ref being overused to find every nit picking way not to give a try? How do amateur refs (voluntary or non-NRL) go with the obstruction rule or separation(??)? Having reffed kids and high school games without other officials how can you watch the ball runners and those off the play?
 

Hanscholo

Bench
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The entire refereeing sh*ts me. They pick on the most rediculous things to hound all game and miss the most obvious things. Like the wesser shepherd today, he stopped, took no advantage from it, basically gave himself up and they penalise it. Then when parra are working their way out from the penalty, dave taylor sits a guy clean on his arse at the ruck with the most blatant push ive ever seen and nothing happens. Its that kind of inconsistency that alarms me.

Rober Finch has always been the type to make referees focus on sides for certain reasons and ignore everything. Its not a healthy way to teach referees or manage them. Its breeds bias, and inconsistency thrives. He started out just by doing what a coach would do, analysing sides for weaknesses in their discipline, then telling his stooges to go out and attack the weaknesses. Nowa days, he has rethought that, but this time decides globally which things will be looked at and which wont.

I think its time Greg Mcallum was appointed in charge of the referees. He was an outstanding referee, the best of his generation imo. Secondly, they need to split the rule changes away from finch and get them separated from referees alltogether, its not something they should have any impact on. Once that is done, they need to repeal the obstruction rule, put it back the way it was - there was never anything wrong with it, it was logical, practical and in most instances only ever penalised a side that had truely obstructed a player from making a tackle.
 

Paullyboy

Coach
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It's true, Hayne is a diver. (Not saying he isn't a very talented player, just pointing out that his type are making the problem worse by exploiting the sh*t referees who don't understand what's happening).

Having said this, the game yesterday was a farce - but it was a farce long before the referees tried to take control. I've honestly never seen two sides with such horrific ball control as there was in the first half yesterday. That was the worst game of professional rugby league played in long time - fortunately for the players, the referees will probably get the spotlight.
 
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That game yesterday was bitterly dissappointing for me.

Firstly, Parramatta played like sh*t and Souths were too woeful to take advantage of it.

But to top it all off, the two imbeciles out in the middle were just utterly pathetic for the whole game. I'm not going to argue over who got the advantage out of the terrible reffing. At the end of the day, I was just disgusted at the fact that an ordinary game was completely put out of its misery by the boneheads with the whistles.

I'm sure the Parra fans there walked out happy with the win. But I'm equally sure that they were just as dissappointed in the standard of the officials. The NRL needs to sit down and have a good hard look at what constitutes a penalty and what doesn't. That game yesterday would be a good starting point for them. Without looking at the figures, I would guess there were about 20 penalties blown? Perhaps 8 of those were fair dinkum. Perhaps they could have found another 4 or 5 that they missed.

To confound matters, because of their own stupid over-officiating, they then send off a couple of players for nothing, simply because there were too many penalties.

This process of binning one player and then automatically binning a player from the other team on the next innocuous penalty is a complete joke and has reared its head in two Souths games so far this year.

I'm also of the opinion that the same thing happens with the penalty count. One team gets heavily penalised early and then the refs start looking for any dirt they can dig up on the other side to even the penalty count out. I'm sure its a KPI that they have that penalty counts should be near enough to even at the end of the match. Looks good on the score sheet, but absolutely cruels both sides and completely shifts momentum when perhaps it shouldn't be shifted. I think its a key reason why we are seeing so many big leads being cut down later in the game this year.

Really, the Refs need to focus on the big stuff, forget about the sh*tty little penalties and only penalise what absolutely needs to be called. If its one sided, then, as long as its fairly one sided, i.e. the team getting caned are earning the penalties, then so be it. This business of squaring up for the sake of it is just plain stupid and is ruining the game.

I've said it all along, two referees mean twice as many blunders. I also had to laugh yesterday as I'm 100% sure I saw Beau Champion moving in towards the ruck to take a hit up at one point and the second ref nudged him out of the way because his view of the ruck was obstructed. Beau looked a bit miffed and then nudged the ref back so he could run his line, but at this stage the dummy half had taken off anyway. It was late in the game and had no effect whatsoever on the outcome, but I had to laugh at the time.
 

forward pass

Coach
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The laughable thing was that the refs sent two players off because there 'were too many penalties'. But it is the refs blowing the pedantic and totally wrong penalties and then they have the hide to blame the players for their incompetence.
 

forward pass

Coach
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It's true, Hayne is a diver. (Not saying he isn't a very talented player, just pointing out that his type are making the problem worse by exploiting the sh*t referees who don't understand what's happening).

I call it milking - not diving.

It is prevalent in our game. Whenever, a player loses the ball in a tackle or play the ball, what is the first thing they do? They plead to the ref for a penalty. They do this even when they have lost the ball cold and it sh*ts me right off.
 

Ike E Bear

Juniors
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The laughable thing was that the refs sent two players off because there 'were too many penalties'. But it is the refs blowing the pedantic and totally wrong penalties and then they have the hide to blame the players for their incompetence.

That, my friend, is an EXCELLENT point!!!
 

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