Third Test England v India Aug 18-22 Trent Bridge

[TheParraboy]

f**king lol

Our batting is the worst it's been in the 150 years of Test cricket. Let that sink in.

The same maybe appplies for Australia and RSA.

I'm pretty sure that T20 junk deserves a large portion of the blame.

Hope Bazal doesn’t read the last paragraph He gave me a serve when I suggested the same thing

 

[Das Gupta]

Is there no top order talent coming through? Should be a strength for the UK -

Too few South Africans players coming through the English system at the moment, hence the shortage

 

[Das Gupta]

2-1 coming up.
The English top order is garbage. They struggle overseas and now can't even make runs in their own backyard.

 

[Das Gupta]

Is there no top order talent coming through? Should be a strength for the UK - they seem to have gone the old NZ way of stacking the teams with all-rounders - from 5 down... don't see that working consistently

Here is a few up and comers. None seem ready though.


Haseeb Hameed, who left the India tour at the end of 2016 looking every inch a Test batsman, has not made a century since. Indeed, he's averaged just 20.07 in first-class cricket since with three half-centuries in 44 innings.

Ben Duckett, who was good enough to score more than 1,300 runs in the 2016 season, is averaging 26.78 in Division Two this year.

And while Nick Gubbins is averaging almost 60 in the Championship season, he is playing only his fourth game having suffered injury and has a modest record against spin bowling. Bearing in mind England's winter plans - tours to Sri Lanka and the Caribbean - that does him few favours.


Then there's Rory Burns. He has almost 881 Division One runs this season - that's 181 more than anyone else in the division - at an average of 67.76 (almost 30 more than Cook for Essex) and recently won praise from Dale Steyn for his temperament and technique. He is not an especially pretty batsman - he has an odd habit of peering to midwicket just ahead of delivery as if the fielder has just whispered something appalling about him - but he is effective, hungry, bright and determined. England's batting collapses are none too pretty, either.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24418388/alastair-cook-rarer-peaks-problem-england

 

[ANTiLAG]

Is there no top order talent coming through? Should be a strength for the UK - they seem to have gone the old NZ way of stacking the teams with all-rounders - from 5 down... don't see that working consistently

You absolute nutter.

Ali was man of the series vs Safrica.

Curran was man of the match in the first test vs India.

Woakes was man of the match in the second test vs India.

And we all know how Stokes contributed to winning England the series in Safrica with a dbl ton years ago.

The allrounders are saving the England top order's asses regularly and have been for some time now.

The issue isn't having allrounders saving the top order often, the issue is that eventually the top order has to score some runs or England will lose more games when the allrounders fail to fire with the bat.

Jimmy, Stuart, Ben, TRJ et al (bar Rashid and Moeen till the Ashes in Aus) are doing the job with the ball.

But this England batting top order as Tommy said, is pathetic.

Just pathetic.

It is so bad, Jos Buttler is playing as a specialist batsman at 7. It is that bad.

 

[JJ]

You absolute nutter.

Ali was man of the series vs Safrica.

Curran was man of the match in the first test vs India.

Woakes was man of the match in the second test vs India.

And we all know how Stokes contributed to winning England the series in Safrica with a dbl ton.

The allrounders are saving the England top order's asses regularly and have been for some time now.

The issue isn't having allrounders saving the top order often, the issue is that eventually the top order has to score some runs or England will lose more games when the allrounders fail to fire with the bat.

Keeper is batting 5 and another keeper playing

They need a top 6 IMO

 

[ANTiLAG]

Here is a few up and comers. None seem ready though.


Haseeb Hameed, who left the India tour at the end of 2016 looking every inch a Test batsman, has not made a century since. Indeed, he's averaged just 20.07 in first-class cricket since with three half-centuries in 44 innings.

Ben Duckett, who was good enough to score more than 1,300 runs in the 2016 season, is averaging 26.78 in Division Two this year.

And while Nick Gubbins is averaging almost 60 in the Championship season, he is playing only his fourth game having suffered injury and has a modest record against spin bowling. Bearing in mind England's winter plans - tours to Sri Lanka and the Caribbean - that does him few favours.


Then there's Rory Burns. He has almost 881 Division One runs this season - that's 181 more than anyone else in the division - at an average of 67.76 (almost 30 more than Cook for Essex) and recently won praise from Dale Steyn for his temperament and technique. He is not an especially pretty batsman - he has an odd habit of peering to midwicket just ahead of delivery as if the fielder has just whispered something appalling about him - but he is effective, hungry, bright and determined. England's batting collapses are none too pretty, either.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24418388/alastair-cook-rarer-peaks-problem-england

Burns is the next cab off rank for opener when Jennings gets dropped.

Ben Foakes may come into the team and make Bairstow a specialist bat.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Keeper is batting 5 and another keeper playing

They need a top 6 IMO

Oh I agree they need more good batsmen.

I agree that Jos Buttler playing as a specialist batsman smacks of utter desperation.

It doesn't however say anything about the allrounder qualities.

Curran, Woakes, Ali, and Stokes are not the problem with the bat.

The top order is.

It used to be Cook and Root and duds.

Now of late - its Root for 50 and duds.

And this is a huge problem for them.

In NZ I loathe Nichols playing like a spud, but England has Vince, Stoneman, Malan, Jennings, Ballance, Buttler at 7, Pope and a seemingly endless line up of players playing like spuds regularly - and Cook has been out of form.

Even Bairstow in the last 2 years is below his average.

 

[TheParraboy]

Dont see what the problem is, poms were crap in 2 tests vs us in 2015, and won the series 3-2

they will win 4-1 or 3-2 here

India have a better than average chance of winning down under, they will never have a better opportunity. No Smith whose batting is insane, and no hometown boy Warner, who destructs sides ( at home only). Our top 7 batting is way worse than the poms. Couple of our main bowlers are injury prone but hopefull will be right

 

[ANTiLAG]

Dont see what the problem is, poms were crap in 2 tests vs us in 2015, and won the series 3-2

they will win 4-1 or 3-2 here

India have a better than average chance of winning down under, they will never have a better opportunity. No Smith whose batting is insane, and no hometown boy Warner, who destructs sides ( at home only). Our top 7 batting is way worse than the poms. Couple of our main bowlers are injury prone but hopefull will be right

The problem is the Eng top order has been crap for a long time.

England's bowlers are fine in England, excellent even.

But their batting is tres suck regardless of what the bowlers do achieve or not.

I had England at 3-1 series winners subject to rain causing one washout - but this England win prediction is not based on their batting

 

[TheParraboy]

The problem is the Eng top order has been crap for a long time.

that's kinda what I was getting at

they have been crap, but still win at home

so whats the problem?

 

[ANTiLAG]

that's kinda what I was getting at

they have been crap, but still win at home

so whats the problem?

Pakistan and NZ at home.

Aus, NZ and Asia away.

There's diminishing series wins and more losses available for them.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Rashid 1/69 in 3rd. India lead by 438 with 7 wickets in hand.

Unless he now scores a match winning century - his selection was a total and utter failure.

A 5for now doesn't even redeem his selection as an error.

 

[JJ]

Series just got interesting - Bairstow broken finger too

 

[Tommy Smith]

Rashid 1/69 in 3rd. India lead by 438 with 7 wickets in hand.

Unless he now scores a match winning century - his selection was a total and utter failure.

A 5for now doesn't even redeem his selection as an error.

Total waste of time selecting an average spinner vs India. Just pick your best 5 bowlers ffs. Especially when it's seam and swing India (and everyone?) hate.

Fancy dropping the previous Test's MotM for a bog average crummy white ball specialist.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Kholi showing Root up again just like Smith and Williamson did.

Bairstow out is massive.

Looks like the ECB will have to roll out a Jimmy & Stuey special for the next test

 

[ANTiLAG]

Looks like the ECB will have to roll out a Jimmy & Stuey special for the next test

Tbh, it was swinging a lot in the first 2 innings. Kohli and Rahane were the only 2 to have success.

It moved less in the third but I have to give Kohli props, he has been excellent. Pandya seems lucky.

 

[Fufu Andronez]

Boy that Kohil is a goodun

 

[ANTiLAG]

Boy that Kohil is a goodun

Yeah, the swing challenge accusation of him as a test player has been put to bed this tour even if he fails in the next two tests.

 

[Buzzard Breath]

Total waste of time selecting an average spinner vs India. Just pick your best 5 bowlers ffs. Especially when it's seam and swing India (and everyone?) hate.

Fancy dropping the previous Test's MotM for a bog average crummy white ball specialist.

It was a poor call.