This really sh*ts me

[Nuffy]

BK lures Perry to Sea Eagles

Brad Walter | July 31, 2007

A THIRD-party deal with a property development company and the encouragement of former teammate Ben Kennedy helped convince Newcastle prop Josh Perry to join arch rivals Manly.
Perry, who has not always had a happy relationship with Sea Eagles players, and may make his comeback from a hamstring injury against them next week, was yesterday confirmed as Manly's major recruit for next season after the club announced several re-signings and new additions.
Along with Perry, who has signed for three years, the Sea Eagles also snared Sydney Roosters hooker Heath L'Estrange (two years) and retained Kiwis Test centre Steve Matai, prop Jason King, boom interchange forward Adam Cuthbertson (all three years) and front-rower Glenn Hall (two years).
With Manly in second place on the NRL ladder, two points behind Melbourne after Sunday's 32-24 win over Parramatta, the announcements indicate the club's return as a premiership powerhouse is likely to be long term.
And the Sea Eagles are close to finalising a deal with Steve Menzies for the former Test back-rower to finish his career next season as the game's top try-scoring forward and the player with the most first-grade appearances for Manly.
"Players want to play for Manly, and we're not only retaining players from our current in-form side but adding good players to next year's roster," Sea Eagles chief executive Grant Mayer said.
Despite being told he was one of the Knights players whose services were unlikely to be required next year, Perry had only recently given up hope of receiving a late offer to stay.
Kennedy, who left Newcastle in 2004 to play the final two years of his career at Manly, spoke to Perry and helped convince the former NSW Origin representative of the Sea Eagles merits.

Source SMH


Not that Perry is leaving, but that BK is helping manly secure players, not us. Other clubs seem to leverage former player resources far better than we ever have.

SOURCE URL: http://www.leaguehq.com.au/articles/2007/07/30/1185647830080.html

 

[Jono078]

They have some of the best facilities in Sydney.

Yesterday was the first time ive seen or heard of their CEO also, seems like a really smart dude.

Until we get top class facilities and make the finals a couple years in a row we wont be attracting much.

But in saying that I think weve done fairly well with our money for next season if all the players are to perform at their best.

 

[macavity]

BK continues to haunt us.

we have alot of stupid decisions coming back to bite us lately. I reckon losing spongey will be another one.

 

[Nuffy]

Add to that Snowden if he leaves.

Mac, you know what kills me, players leave Newcastle and get better, but when we sign players usually they get worse not better...................Reyno anyone.

Perry was a passenger at our club, but I have no doubt he'll go better at Manly.

I have grave reservations on the clubs ability to get the best out of Cross / Wes / Houston / Wicks et al, we just don't have a good record.

Theres just something so wrong with the culture and work ethic of our club.

 

[Frederick]

Well by the looks of it Crossman is at long odds to remain at Melbourne, so hopefully we make a play for him.

 

[cram]

The article in the Newcastle paper indicates that Perry would have stayed, whilst BK obviously would have been in Perry's ear, it is apparent that the club had not intention of offering him a contract. Perry is quoted as saying he kept thinking they would offer him something up until he finally decided to move to Manly.

It sounds like he would have stayed but when it was all done and dusted he was not wanted.

I guess if we are willing to support in changing the club we have to support his decisions to hire and fire players. Time will tell if they are correct or not.

 

[perverse]

bleh... amazing what rates as news these days...

you'd be crazy thinking that joey hasn't been in the ears of at least some of our recruits telling of how strong the club will be etc etc.. we'd be using our former player resources just as much as the next club, you're just unlikely to read about it. the only reason i can see that this even rated a mention is that BK and spongey used to play together.

i'm in total support of getting rid of him, he's a lazy git who has somehow refused to reach anywhere close to his potential for too long now. if he does well elsewhere then so be it.. we can't keep players that don't perform in our colours just to keep it from "biting us in the arse".

 

[Newie is God's Country]

Our treatment of players has been a disgrace for years. I hate to say it but Brian Smith has a 'my way or the highway' demeanour about him. Great coach that he is, it is a worrying sign at the moment. Perry didn't perform for us. Let's be honest. Do Manly have a salary cap btw?

 

[Jobdog]

For too long we've been happy with mediocrity. Yes, perhaps Smith is a "my way or the highway" type of bloke, but that is precisely what this club needs at the moment. We didn't need a Hagan-esque coach who would tell the players that they're "alright" and sugar coating everything.

On the subject of Perry, can't say I'm sad to see him go, but as was mentioned, we can't accept his mediocrity if he was to stay in the hope that he would come good and wouldn't go to another club and become bigger and better.

 

[TooheysNew]

Of course Manly have a salary cap.

i'm in total support of getting rid of him, he's a lazy git who has somehow refused to reach anywhere close to his potential for too long now. if he does well elsewhere then so be it.. we can't keep players that don't perform in our colours just to keep it from "biting us in the arse".

Exactly my view too.

 

[Ryan]

To be fair lads....Wes Naquama and Ben Cross are gun players. Brian Smith demands success. They will be guns for you next year. I think this year is a little off putting for The Knights predominantly through injury.

Put it this way. Thaiday, Johns, L Macdouggall and a few others have been out most of the season. You are basically working on about 60-70% of the salary caps of most other clubs in that perspective. You are doing really well.

Now, imagine having a full squad...and I mean a team like:-

1. Thaiday
2. L Macdouggall
3. Naquama
4. A Macdouggall
5. McManus
6. Gidley
7. Mullen
8. Cross
9. Buderus
10. Sargeant
11. Simpson
12. Reynoldson
13. Paterson

14. Walsh
15. Wicks
16. Royal?
17. Houston

You have a very, very nasty squad.

I mentioned a while ago that Perry signed with us. I still don't know why. I mean:-

King
Kite
Bryant
Cuthbertson
Hall
Rose
Perry

......how many props does a club need?

 

[perverse]

that team isn't very good compared to what we'll be able to field next year Ryan, a few players out of position and what not... but your sentiments and thoughts are in the right place. we wont be passengers next year by any stretch of the imagination.. we'll have much more firepower.

 

[macavity]

1. Gidley
2. Naiquama
3. L doogs
4. A doogs
5. McManus
6. Mullen
7. Walsh
8. Cross
9. Buderus (c)
10. Sargent
11. Simpson
12. Paterson
13. Houston

14. Luila
15. Wicks
16. Natush / Laban / Snowden (damn I hope he stays)
17. Reynoldson

will be something like that

still, not a fantastic team compared to the front runners. Manly look to be building a dynasty.

 

[Johns Magic]

Manly look to be building a dynasty.

How?

Signing a sub-par front-rower and a reserve grade standard hooker?

They've lost Monaghan and Burns, two of their most important players in the most important positions.

Unless they've signed someone else for next year that I'm missing, they look worse off next season than this season.

 

[perverse]

i really think smith should/will put the doogs bros on the same wing.

this is what i can see happening round 1 2008:

1. Gidley
2. McManus / Vuna
3. Naiquama
4. Mad Dog
5. Mad Pup

6. Mullen
7. Walsh

8. Cross
9. Buderus (c)
10. Sargent
11. Simpson
12. Paterson
13. Reyno

14. Houston
15. Wicks
16. Tolar / Natush / Laban / Royal / Snowy
17. Hilder

-edit- also i have to agree with JM here, manly look weaker next year. i think the storm will be a little weaker, particularly in the forwards next year too (i may be missing something but they seem to have a lot exiting and not much entering).. although im almost to the point of assuming that bellamy will just bring up other great players from seemingly nowhere to fill the gaps.

 

[Johns Magic]

1. Thaiday
2. Uate
3. Kidley
4. Naiqama
5. L MacDougall
6. Mullen
7. Walsh
8. Sargent
9. Buderus
10. Cross
11. Simpson
12. Paterson
13. Houston

14. Snowden/Tolar
15. Wicks
16. Taia
17. Hilder

That's the team I'd be picking next season

 

[perverse]

sh*te i forgot taia...

ugh... selection dilemmas abound for next year... quite a pleasant headache to have imo.

 

[KniGhTs BaTTLeR]

Tolar should be starting prop. His the best prop at the club.

Back on topic though, I dont blame BK, he was booted from the Knights so we could keep Joey and Manly gave him a home and he played unreal there, I dont think it is the clubs fault either, BK only played in spurts he spent most of his time injured. BK is just doing what he thinks is best for Pezza anyway, it's just what he needs and Des Hasler will get him working his pretty intense.

 

[macavity]

I forgot Hilder and Tolar....

Thaiday won't be here JM, and your obsession is bordering on perverse.... also I don't think big doogs will be dropped. ever. hopefully Uate is knocking down the door by 08 too.

seems 1,6,7,8,9,11 are the only settled positions, assuming Simmo stays in the back row.

 

[Johns Magic]

Thaiday won't be here JM, and your obsession is bordering on perverse.

Pffft, because I think he's the best fullback at the club?

Wank on mate