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Don Tweddle

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I agree with giving Kelly a shot in the halves.

The worst that could happen is he plays badly, we lose and he heads elsewhere next year. The last two are probably going to happen anyway.

But maybe, just maybe, he'll show something of his undoubted talent, stop his sulking and still be a Shark when he matures into the consistent firsr-grader he has the ability to be.

It's worth the risk. It's not like the finals are on the line. A 'respectable' loss will do nothing for us.
 

carcharias

Immortal
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Just on what since 73's last post about coaches picking preffered players etc.

I know a dude who played a bit of 1st grade but mostly reserves for the Bears...( a while ago now )
He was a huge prospect .

anyway the bears got the Grand final in reserves and a very well known and accomplished 1st grader and later a TV host of sorts ( dead now )...was somehow eligible through injury and lack of games . He had a cry to the coaches ...threatened to quit the bears if he didn't get a spot in the team for the GF.
He got his way and the bloke I know got arseholed .

So the famous player who was terribly unfit and out of touch with the team gets a go in a very crucial position at the expense of the dude who actually got them to the GF.

The dude I know who was still quite young at that stage quit footy forever and opened up a gym in town. killing it now.
The other dude ...pushing up daisies.
 

RUBIKS

Juniors
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Albert Kelly won the Toyota Cup player of the year award.

Now you don't win an award like that an the back of 2 or 3 good games.

You win it because you are THE BEST player in the competition from the first round to the last.

You've spruiked this a few times and other people have ran with it, however Kelly did not win Toyota Cup player of the year.

Sorry about that.
 

Hughesy215

Juniors
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You've spruiked this a few times and other people have ran with it, however Kelly did not win Toyota Cup player of the year.

Sorry about that.

Yeah that may be true... i was under the impression he was but it doesn't change his point that Kelly can kill it and has bucketloads of skill
 

Special K

Coach
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Can we get this guy back and put him at 6?

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Since 73

First Grade
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You've spruiked this a few times and other people have ran with it, however Kelly did not win Toyota Cup player of the year.

Sorry about that.

Yeah?

He came to us advertised as such.

On here and in the paper more than once.
 

imasharkie

Coach
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When i was coaching, the lower grades were there for one reason - to feed the top side and to put pressure on the top side.

But you had to dangle the carrot for those guys. They had to believe they could earn a shot at the top grade.

At Cronulla that ain't the case and it does not surprise me one bit that blokes are pizzed off. It happens in the work place and at sport clubs. a whiff of poor management and people start bitching.

If i ever lost 2 games in a row i would automatically change something. Shake something up.

I just do not get our club. It breaks my heart to have to support a side that has accepted defeat so readily.
'We have no money.'
We have no players.'
'We're the perennial bridesmaids.'
'The ref's are against us.'

We hang these tags on ourselves and accept the same mob running out each week and getting beat.

How Sticky could accept losing week after week after week and just go about trotting the same old style each week. How he could go to training after 4 consecutive losses and not shake the life out of the place.
I would have turned it upside down to ensure I got a win that next week.

I'm pushing Albert kelly, yet have hardly seen the guy play.

But I know this...
We have players in our top side who will NEVER be good enough to get a side to the semis, yet they keep getting picked.

i don't get it. Fugged if I do.

if I know something won't work - I HAVE to try something else.
Maybe it will who knows?

Scott porter? lovely bloke, but honestly..will never play semi final football as long as his arse points to the ground.

Albert Kelly won the Toyota Cup player of the year award.

Now you don't win an award like that an the back of 2 or 3 good games.

You win it because you are THE BEST player in the competition from the first round to the last.
This kid can play rugby league.

He worries defences and guides a team.

The fact we were coming 2nd to last for 2 years and ricky Stuart never even TRIED this kid at 7 blows my mind.
we didn't have to chase him or sign, steal or borrow him - he was in our club.
We just had to handle him a jersey.

If he played against the Warriors I know he would miss tackles.
I know he would be targeted.
I know he make a mistake thru overplaying his hand.

But i also know this - he would try - and DO - things that Porter can't.

And several times during the match something would click.
Why wouldn't it?
He went thru a whole yaer as the best player in the comp against his peers.

He made some howlers at fullback earlier this year under the highball, but his confidence was never dented.

When a lot of guys would have dug a hole he had the audacity to tear into chasers twice his size or try and burn chasers on the outside.

Sticky couldn't handle the fact he didn't follow the 'safety first' call and punted him.
i subscribe to the John Lang playbook.

Under Ricky stuart Chris Sandow would never see the top grade and Beau champion would never cross a tryline excpet his own to stand under the posts.

We are lucky in that we have 5 rounds to blood these guys - in games that don't matter.
They can go their hardest against seasoned first graders and win, lose or draw it's an invaluable learning curve.
Much better than waiting til trial games against half-assed competition or in games that matter in early 2011.
And, a bloke like kelly would have the opportunity to learn a few things from Barrett.
A slightly better option than say, reserve grader Wade Graham next year.

But you've been following sticky's rule for a decade now Flanno - so don't go changing the mantra....

'Don't chase the win - just pick the guys who ensure you won't get towelled up.'

You're a dickhead and you're at a club where dickheads have ruled for nearly 10 years.

And we're dickheads because we turn out each week to watch the same 17 blokes achieve the same result each week.

The Idiots Guide to Groundhog Day.

Anyway - that's my point and I've hammered it to death in this thread.
For the life of me i can't accept defeat until I've left absolutely no stone unturned, and that's what frustrates the crap out me about our coaches.

Scott Porter - I bet Ivan Cleary hasn't slept all week.

I agree with every thing you've said 73.
The club is driving me batty. Why oh why do they continue to pick losers week after week.
Luckily I live in Queensland and have the Broncos as my 2nd team. at least they are winners.
 

Tucky

Juniors
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I agree with every thing you've said 73.
The club is driving me batty. Why oh why do they continue to pick losers week after week.
Luckily I live in Queensland and have the Broncos as my 2nd team. at least they are winners.

I'm in Qld and there's no way that the Donkeys are my 2nd team. Hate 'em nearly as much as I hate Manly!;-)
 

imasharkie

Coach
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I'm in Qld and there's no way that the Donkeys are my 2nd team. Hate 'em nearly as much as I hate Manly!;-)

I've lived in Queensland for 27 years and while I hated the Broncs for a lot of those years I've become a fan over the last 5 years to present time where I now support them as my 2nd team and I'll tell you what Tucky it's good to be on a winner. They have a coach who takes the hard yards and drops under performing players, I like that.

The Sharks who I've supported since 1973 will always be my number 1 team but while we have a Z grade backline we will only ever win the wooden spoon.

I'm a taxi driver and speak with lots of rugby league people about my beloved sharks and they all say we have a great forward pack but a dreadful backline. I often bring up the name of Ben Pommeroy and in almost all instances people just laugh.
 

Frailty

First Grade
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So u just drop Josh Cordoba like that?

My team would be-
1. Gards
2. Ferguson
3. Covell
4. Collis
5. Gordon
6. Barrett
7. Ports
8. Snowy
9. Morris
10. Douglas
11. Pomeroy
12. Topou
13. Gal
14. Aiton
15. Wright
16. Cordoba
17. Vave

You're side pretty much is the same as we have now aside from one change in the centres and second row. Cordoba is a decent player, but we need to have decent players in the reserve grade to really put pressure on the firsts to perform.

I want the coach to say, and show, that no position in first grade is safe - and it is the performances that count. If you perform in NSW CUp and the player in firsts struggles - the NSW cup player will be given a go.

We haven't had this at Cronulla for years.
 

jc155776

Coach
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I'm a taxi driver and speak with lots of rugby league people about my beloved sharks and they all say we have a great forward pack but a dreadful backline. I often bring up the name of Ben Pommeroy and in almost all instances people just laugh.

I forgot all about that Ima!!

Should have given you a call when I was in Brissie after the Wallabies game, needed a lift to the Valley at about 1am, good luck trying to get a cab from Caxton then!!!! (Ended up heading back into Hotel LA till close instead!)
 

ratsack2

Juniors
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Ima
who said Indians dont follow league, I take it you are Indian being a taxi driver in Brisbane what other nationality could you be???
 

Quigs

Immortal
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Narhhh I met Ima, he is definately not Indian.

More Paki I reckon but has Scottish heritage.

He didn't shout.

Cheers
Declared Idiot #88
Quigs
 

carinashark

First Grade
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If Kelly really wanted to be here he would have amazed everyone with his skills in the lower grades by now. Wouldnt he?
Look at Birdy , he amazed everyone with his skills ( hold joint club record for trys and goals or something like that because stats boor the S*** outa me) and gets an NRL jumper.
We cannot afford top players so those that have the ability get to play NRL. Those that dont want to show us how good they are get dropped or get the half drop ( bench Tim) . I dont have a problem with loosing in the short term if we can build a team on ethical rewards and honesty.
Simple but efective
 

imasharkie

Coach
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I forgot all about that Ima!!

Should have given you a call when I was in Brissie after the Wallabies game, needed a lift to the Valley at about 1am, good luck trying to get a cab from Caxton then!!!! (Ended up heading back into Hotel LA till close instead!)

Yeah jc I worked that night. should have given me a call, we could of discussed Maxxy and Pom....next time.

Ima
who said Indians dont follow league, I take it you are Indian being a taxi driver in Brisbane what other nationality could you be???

Ratsak
:lol::lol: geez I'm not even close.
I can't even communicate with them, they don't understand my foriegn language. :crazy:

Quigs
Narhhh I met Ima, he is definately not Indian.

More Paki I reckon but has Scottish heritage.

He didn't shout.

sorry to disappoint old mate I'm Irish heritage and I still don't shout.:oops:

The sunshine coast cabbie is no Indian.

not on the coast anymore Angryman.

I met him .

Good chains...real good!

haha Carch, I remember our first meeting. You had a big trench coat, or similar on and reminded me of a detective.
 

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