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I hesitate to go into a battle of wits with an unarmed man, but - EA, my post wouldn't have made sense to you since it wasn't full of swearing and name-calling insults.

"Two bobs worth" - you're inflating the value of your posts. You should be glad Oneye is here because a) it gives you something to do, and b) he makes even you look smart by comparison.
 
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Firstly EA, its pretty obvious that your name (everloving antichrist) reveals much of your attitude towards religion. Thats fine by me, as i said about 200 posts ago, im not here to preach, i have my views and you have yours. People are free to believe and do as they want, doesnt concern me at all. Im just saying that the arguments are predictable, i mean, the old chestnuts such as there is no proof keep getting pulled out. All i can say is that religion involves faith. Faith does not involve seeing physical evidence. Like believing your footy team will win the comp next year for instance.

Now onto the questions!

Willow:

"what exactly is your problem with Mormons?"

My life experiences do not equate to your life experiences (obviously lol). My major experiences with Mormons in my shortish life time has been walking down the mall at Liverpool and being stopped every single time by the mormons that patrol the area. They are seemingly quite nice people, and i have never been rude towards them. But i take issue with the way in which they promote their religion. They sell it like a consumer good, and i disagree with that. For me, the Mormon religion involves advertising more than any other religion.

But allll that said, i can appreciate that there are different groups of Mormons. I will admit to generalising in this area, and i am wrong for putting them all in the same group. Bit like the idiots that call all middle eastern people terrorists

Mystery Man:

"Assuming that God is real, why doesn't he show himself? Why doesn't he give people a reason to believe?

God has shown himself as CS pointed out before. He will show himself again, if one believes the bible. I dontknow why he doesnt pop down once a week to watch the bulldogs play, i really cant answer that one ;)

The Catholic religion, like most, is a faith religion. Its based on believing in something that you cant see. If he showed himself, than yes, a lot more people would believe. But in the Bible, he mentioned that he will come back on the last day to judge the good from the bad, etc etc. Who is to know when this time will be? If he came down now he would be going against what he said thousands of years ago

I'm sure that people will answer this by saying that you need to have faith - but faith in what? Faith in the beliefs of Christians? Faith in the bible?

Faith that there is a God, faith that the teachings of God are right, faith that God will come again, faith that there is a life after death. Basically, you take what you want to believe out of your religion. Not everyone has faith in the same things. Its a combination of faith beliefs

It has been pointed out on many occasions that man is imperfect. Yet the bible was written by man. Christians are people. Why should people, therefore, have faith in the bible, a book written by man?

Man is imperfect, agreed. Ill say this now, i dont have belief in everything in the bible. I dont think every little detail in the stories is accurate, if you read the books of the four main apostles (Matthew,Luke,Mark and John), they tell the same story differently. I believe in the core elements of the stories however. Such as there being a God, Jesus coming and returning etc etc.The old testament is a different story, and one that i dont know as much about. However, the Jewish faith shares the version of events from the old testament with Christians.

Why should people have faith in the beliefs of Christian people instead of the beliefs of Muslim or Hindu people?

That is a question that is an issue of faith. Christians believe that having faith in their religion is the 'way to go'. Im not here to say that Muslim or Hindu beliefs are necessarily wrong, im just saying that i believe in the Christian faith. As i said before, there is no way that i could possibly dissprove the muslim or hindu religions.
Hope that all makes sense
Cheers, Moffo
 

El Duque

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Moff, you never answered me
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Willow

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Moffo:
I see you agree with me about lealet waving lunatics (some of whom are from the Mormons) who try to shove their religion down our throats in public places.

Very early in this thread I express my anger at these people who won't take no for answer. Furthermore, they try to take advantage of people who are uncertain about things or at a low ebb in their lives.These religious christian groups use this as a means to pitch their beliefs.

But that wasn't my question. I think you misunderstood me.

You are differentiating Mormons from Christians.

I refer to your earlier comments:
"How about stacking up Christians against Mormons?"
and
"Mormons and Christians are different."

Mormons <u>are</u> christians. They belong to the Church of Latter Day Saints and they certainly think they are Christians.
Did you know that?
 
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Sorry mate, my brain is still on holidays :DSome would say it is 365 days a year!

" Moffo, if you read this http://www2.rael.org/int/english/index.htmlwould you say they were fruitcakes? Go to philosophy and the evidence sections and check them out properly before making a judgement.

Why should people believe in the Bible over them?

We was created by Aliens...lol"

I never used the word 'fruitcakes'. Sure, they have their belief set and im far from the one to call them fruitcakes. Doesnt mean that i have to agree with it all

I think i answered the bible bit in my last post. Simply, no one is asking you to believe in it all. As i said, i dont even believe every single word of it

Cheers,
Moffo

 
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Why do they feel the need to differentiate themselves from Christians if they are Christians? They do things in a different way to Christians, hence they give themselves a different title. Yeh, they may have some common beliefs, but once again, as i said before, even the islamic, jewish and christians faiths share some things in common. Perhaps i should go up to a Mormon and ask them one day why they feel the need to differentiate themselves from Christians. I take it on board, but i hope you see what i mean. As far as i know, the christian faith and the vatician dont acknowledge Mormons as part of the faith (but i might be wrong on that one)

Cheers,
Moffo
 

Willow

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Moffo: "Why do they [Mormons] feel the need to differentiate themselves from Christians if they are Christians?"

Why can't they have their own version of beliefs?
Why do Catholics, Protestants, Seventh Day Adventists, Baptists and Lutherans all have their own version of christianity? Are you sure that you're understanding the question? Christianity, just like Islam cannot be lumbered into the one sack. There are factions within factions...
...there are different interpretations... bugger, thereyou go, I had to answer your question for you.

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"As far as i know, the christian faith and the vatician dont acknowledge Mormons as part of the faith (but i might be wrong on that one)"
How deep is that hole you're in Moffo...? lol
 
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ozbash

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its doesnt make sense but its true, the vatican doesnt acknowledge the mormons or 7th day adventurers
 

El Duque

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Very true, bronco.

From my understanding they're all christians. The Macquarie definition of a christian is

<span><span>Christian: adjective<span> 1.</span>relating to or derived from Jesus Christ, born c.4 BC, crucified c.AD 29, or his teachings.<span> 2.</span>believing in or belonging to the religion of Jesus Christ.<span> 3.</span>exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ; Christlike.<span> 4.</span> Colloquial decent or respectable.
--noun<span> 5.</span>someone who believes in the sanctity of Jesus Christ; an adherent of Christianity.<span> 6.</span>someone who exemplifies in his or her life the teachings of Christ.<span> 7.</span> Colloquial a decent or presentable person. [Latin] </span></span>

 

Willow

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The Pope doesn't know if he has a rear end anymore.
Its true that the Mormons and the Vatican don't see eye to eye but the Vatican is the residence of the head of Roman Catholic Church... this has little to do with what the Morons or the 7th day adventurers think... they THINK they are christians... just like I THINK I am a New South Welshman... ;)
 
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ozbash

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lol. thats right willow.

the roman catholic church has a lot of power, if they say they dont like someone,they better go look for new friends.
 

Willow

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Its not unusual to see the misconception that the Catholic Church <u>is</u> the Christian Church. Seems to me that the realisation that Catholicism is merely a branch of christianity comes as quite a shock to some people.
 

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