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Thoughts on society.....

ONEYE_VIEW

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We live in a world contorted by violence. America floods the Middle East with weapons of mass and individual destruction in preparation for new war. Families in Gujarat India mourn the deaths of loved ones in inter-religious violence. Mutilation becomes a tool of war in Afghanistan, Sierra Leone and the Ivory Coast. In the US we too often we hear reports of police, official "peace officers" brutalizing people. A woman in America is assaulted every 30 seconds, and domestic abuse is epidemic. Yet millions of peacemakers walk among us, confronting oppressive power and working for an end to violence and oppression. Working to create communities that do not degrade, but enoble humanity and respect the planet we all share. In this Mobile Eyes, Free Speech TV examines the impulse for peace that burns so strongly within most of us. We will feature people working to cultivate peace in communities, families and individual lives and people working against war on a world wide scale.;)
 

imported_E_A__

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Steve, Martin Short isn't funny, he's not tall.

That's as polite as I can be.

Here's a hint - what do we celebrate in 2 days?

Personally, I celebrate the fact that I have 2 weeks off work. That is the only good thing about Christmas. It used to mean something when the kids were younger, but these days, Christmas is more pain than pleasure.

Some fat bastard, dressed in a red suitand wearing a false beard that wouldn't fool an irateWombat will hand out presents tonight to people I see once a year. Which is once a year too much.

I won't get pissed because I don't drink courtesy of finding out when I was 18 that drinking until legless only leads to pain.

Foxtel just announced that Gilligan's Island is coming back. Yay.
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Therefore, Christmas means to me:

The outlay of money.
No booze.
Crappy television.

Bah Humbug.

No religious connotations for me.

If God existed, Austen Tayshus would never have had a hit record, Gilligan, the Skipper and the Professor would have nailed Mary Anne in an orgy involving Coconut Cream Pies, Booze would taste like Coca Colaand Martin Bryant would have been turned into "Neville the Concrete Aboriginal" the moment he picked up a gun.

Signed

Cynical old bastard.
 

imported_E_A__

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Oneye, you had an episode right?

You have to remember to take the Green pill first.

Where did you cut and paste #165 from? The Barbie book of philosophy?
 
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Once again, its an issue of interpretation. I dont agree 100% with everything that the catholic church teaches. I believe that the Pope is the head of the catholic church, but if he found to be misusing money or the like, im still going to speak out against it. Just because he is our 'leader' of sorts on Earth, doesnt mean that all who follow the same religion are mindless drones. We do think for ourselves, believe it or not ;)Put it this way, he is fallable in my book.

I take out of Christianity what i believe to be good and 'right'.This does not entail following every single thing that is contained in the teachings

Cheers,
Moffo
 
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ozbash

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the way saddam and georgie are carrying on, that may be quite true mr eye.

whats a litre of petrol in oz, ours went up 7 cents the last couple of days to $1.05 unleaded.
the oil companies reckon its all to do with the "situation"in the mid east.....
 

Willow

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Ahhh Oil companies... another product of our western sensibilities... the sooner we convert to alternative and clean fuel sources, the sooner we can get the monkeys off our back.

Ozbash, in Qld, the petrol is between 76c - 89c per litre (AUD)
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Its gone up recently because of the holidays and extra tourists in town. IMO, it has nothing to do with the situation in the Middle East.
 

imported_E_A__

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I'd like to remind everyone that anything that oneye posts that is spelled correctly is plagiarised.

Oneye, you might have shit for brains but I'd give you some respect if you did a couple of things:

1. Post in your own words only. Warts and all, it's better than reading someone elses cut and pasted thoughts.

2. Lose the big font, it makes you look like a genius.
 
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CanadianSteve

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Christians do indeed worship the deity, Jesus. They also worship God separately. The same for those who worship Mary.... and lets not forget the Holy Ghost (so help me god). A lot of people pray to Angels and Saints.
Thats a lot of deities for a one god religion.

You can twist it that way if you like. I assume you know of the concept of the trinity, where God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit are 3 manifestations of the same one God. You can make fun of that if you like, but the concept is of one God. Not being Catholic, I can't speak for those who pray to Mary and saints.

So God did show himself through Jesus? In that case its a bit of a gimme... I mean, in reality, we don't have proof of this. I know you don't think we have proof of any of this, but that is the crux of Christianity. Surely you know that Christians believe that Jesus was god come to earth.

I realize my example of joining the army was not a perfect example, but I was trying to make the point that you can join or follow something, God in this case, of your own free will, without giving up that free will. You had said in an earlier post that "if everyone chose to follow God'sdirectives according the commandments, they are surely disregarding their own free will," which I don't think is so.




 

Leisotto

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Wow, quite the response indeed!

Thanks a lot guys and girls, i wholeheartedly apologise for not finding the time to reply sooner, as im sure everyone knows, Christmas is a busy time of the year. But onto the issues at hand.

Well it took me quite a while to read thru the whole thread, as well as a lot of deletions from an eye character. I have a thousand thoughts running through my head at the moment, so i guess ill just fire them all off and see what people think

Willow - No intention to offend, but you seem quite adamant in your beliefs. The way that i look at it is that your arguing something that cannot be resolved. There is no proof that God indeed existed, but there is no proof that he didn't. I dont think one of the catholics in here yet has stated otherwise (ie: That there is proof). It just seems that you are discussing this with people who believe in the existence of God through their faith, and nothing else.

I mean, people are free to believe what they want. And im sure you have acknowledged that throughout this thread. But i think that dealing with facts is the best way to go about it. Its a bit hard to argue on speculation and 'issues of faith' of such.

Same with everloving and el duque. I dont have no problem with your stance on religion, everyone is different. You could find 1000 people out there, and each person is likely to have a different opinion.

But the point i would make is that some people in this thread have pointed to bad experiences turning them off religion. As i think MFC mentioned somewhere, its important that we don't generalise. Its like encountering one bad Italian and saying that all Italians are #!#!@$!. Same with religion, just because the catholic faith has a few crooked priests who abuse their powers, it shouldn't be a reflection of the religion. I also think its a case of being independent enough to think for yourself, and if you do follow a religion, question all your beliefs and dont follow something you dont agree with.

What religion/belief you are born into is irrelevant once you hit 16-18. You become old enough to make your own choice, and people should take the time to compare all options. Be it becoming a muslim, catholic or believer in UFOs. Sure, people are influenced by their family, but once a point of independence is reached, the smart thinker will question what they were taught as they were growing up and make an educated decision.

Im not here to compare religions. I think its irrelevant to even list what my particular belief is, it would put a slant on how my argument is analysed.

One last question, do people here think that the religion/belief that they follow is a reflection of their personality? I guess what im asking, is that say for Atheists as an example, do you think they exhibit any common character traits? It may be a sweeping statement, but does anyone think that a persons belief set is a reflection of their personality?

Regards
 

imported_Brook

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Not being Catholic, I can't speak for those who pray to Mary and saints.

I'm not exactly Catholic but I was raised in Catholic schools so i guess that qualifies me to answer this one. The official stance is that catholics don't pray to Mary (or the saints), they ask her to pray to god ontheir behalf. 'hail mary mother of god, pray for us sinners now'


 
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Geez Leisotto is powering on towards the double ton! Good to see you post again. I agree with much of what you said, and as i said before, its pointless to try throwing your beliefs down other peoples throats.

Brook, depends on what you consider to be catholic. Do you believe in it? As in, what is your stance, atheist, catholic...etc etc

I believe in it, and ill be honest, i dont go to Church a lot and do some things that the catholic believers would not exactly approve of lol. But on the other hand, i try my best to follow what i think are the golden rules of being catholic and take my own interpretation out of it. I pray when i get the chance as well. I mean, i expect to sin from time to time, and people have got to get the image out of their mind of Christianity being a demanding and intense lifestyle. I mean, they set up reconciliation everyweek, that would allow you to infer that they expect you to sin! (And hopefully repent ;))

Speaking for myself, i have always found religion a case of interpretation. Like most things in life, you can presented with an image of society, but only you can decided on your interpretation of it (ie: whether people are inherently good or bad etc etc)

Moffo


 

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