Time to scrap Golden Point?

[Card Shark]

5 mins each way extra time in regular season. If it's still even after that, a point each.
I like a couple of teams to be on odd numbers of competition points, better way to decide finishing places than for / against.

5 mins each way extra time in finals. If it's still even after that, golden point.

Simple.

 

[adamkungl]

I'm a fan of extra time for finals only. I would structure it like this:

Regular Season: Draw at full time
Finals/SOO: Extra Time 10mins each way then Golden Point - No Time Limit.

I would imagine it would be pretty rare to actually get to the Golden Point after 20mins of extra time.

end debate here.

Golden point as it stands has no benefit to Rugby League, and is a pretty unfair system.

Golden try might be a valid option but even so I prefer to stick to the simplest option possible - a draw in regular season, and extra time in games that require a winner.

 

[Charlie124]

Why is that funny - it used to be 20 minutes extra time so what is the difference.

And it nearly always resulted in a winner - eg 1989 Grand Final.

The difference is that you're not solving the issue thats sparked this debate in the first place. Are you serious? all your "solution" does is effectively move the fulltime siren back by another 10 minutes. It changes nothing.
Why not make the game 60 minutes long with 20 minutes of extra time and golden point after that? get it?

 

[alien]

Golden point as it stands has no benefit to Rugby League, and is a pretty unfair system.

bullshit. it's perfectly fair, and it doesn't hurt rugby league at all. if you can win the game in the 80th minute with a drop goal, then there's nothing wrong with winning the game the same way in the 81st minute. this year's grand final had a great ending!

 

[Knightmare]

In hindsight, the GF would have been that much more epic if JT had nailed the conversion on full-time. Think El Masri against the Knights in '02, or O'Connor in the rain in Origin 2 '91- it would have become iconic like that.

I was on the Cowboys wagon and as much as I leapt around with excitement when Ben Hunt knocked on, it was a bit anti-climatic because from that moment on, it was almost a given that the Cowboys had won it. I've never been a fan of golden point from day 1 because it has too often brought an exciting content to a predictable outcome.

Last night I watched a DVD of the '89 Grand Final for the first time ever, and that 20 minutes extra time emphasises the fact (for mine) that the Raiders truly deserved to win. Balmain tried to wind down the clock and it failed. Canberra backed themselves and going into extra time it was obvious they had more enthusiasm and grunt- and they got the win.

Apply it to Sunday night and I would love to have seen if the Broncos could pick themselves up and get back on top- or whether the Cowboys would have carried their 79th minute momentum and proceeded to tighten the coffin screws. Could Uncle Wayne have adapted for this with his finals experience or would JT/ Morgan have blasted away with it? As memorable as the ending to the game was, 20 minutes' extra time could have provided a whole other fascinating story to the decider...

 

[Gina Minehart]

I discussed this 2 days ago nimrod

 

[aussie7798]

It really is simple change to Golden try however you can still take the 1 point or 2 points and if you are ahead at the end of extra time you win, but only a try stops the match.

Clears up a number of important problems with golden point

Allows refs to blow penalties for offside as it is not game ending
Stops every tackle being a field goal set up opportunity

 

[mxlegend99]

Extra time is flawed as you can just end with another draw. Having golden point 20 minutes after fulltime if there's another draw is even worse than what we have now. It's just delaying what we already have.

Golden try is the best compromise. A try is atleast defendable so both teams can get a fair go. Losing because of a drop ball or penalty or 7 tackle set that puts a team in range is just shit.

Regular season I think we have a draw. Origin and finals matches golden try.

Remove field goals and penalty goals as scoring plays in the extra time aswell. Only way to score points is a try. IMO it's the fairest way to determine a certain winner without making it a lottery. Mistakes will still be costly but atleast a good team could defend them.

Penalties would need to be changed though. Maybe instead of a penalty goal in extra time. Have players who are penalised sit out the set after the penalty is given to hopefully deter giving away blatant penalties knowing a penalty goal isn't an option. This is probably the biggest flaw.

 

[mxlegend99]

It really is simple change to Golden try however you can still take the 1 point or 2 points and if you are ahead at the end of extra time you win, but only a try stops the match.

Clears up a number of important problems with golden point

Allows refs to blow penalties for offside as it is not game ending
Stops every tackle being a field goal set up opportunity

What if a team kicks 3 penalty goals and the opposition scores a try?

Even if you allowed the team to kick a goal, they could miss and still win a game with fewer points. Or kick it and win a game with equal points. The only way it works IMO is removing those plays as scoring options.

Do that and referees can be less worried about a penalty deciding the game. But there needs to be a deterrent to giving away blatant penalties. Sit the offending player(s) down for the set following the penalty is probably the best solution. But it's still flawed unfortunately. No solution seems to be flawless.

 

[bobmar28]

Keep it. A field goal is the best way to decide the game-more exciting.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Extra time is flawed as you can just end with another draw. Having golden point 20 minutes after fulltime if there's another draw is even worse than what we have now. It's just delaying what we already have.

Golden try is the best compromise. A try is atleast defendable so both teams can get a fair go. Losing because of a drop ball or penalty or 7 tackle set that puts a team in range is just shit.

Regular season I think we have a draw. Origin and finals matches golden try.

Remove field goals and penalty goals as scoring plays in the extra time aswell. Only way to score points is a try. IMO it's the fairest way to determine a certain winner without making it a lottery. Mistakes will still be costly but atleast a good team could defend them.

Penalties would need to be changed though. Maybe instead of a penalty goal in extra time. Have players who are penalised sit out the set after the penalty is given to hopefully deter giving away blatant penalties knowing a penalty goal isn't an option. This is probably the biggest flaw.

I don't think that's likely due to fatigue. I like going the extra 20, makes the off season just that tiny, tiny bit shorter.

 

[Rod]

Regular season is one thing but it shouldn't exist in finals footy. Two teams seasons were ended this year by bog-standard field goals in GP. They were exciting because of what was at stake and nothing more. In theory a coin toss would be just as exciting if it meant one team progressed and one didn't.

 

[Packy]

We just had the most exiting finish to a grand final ever and we shouldn't change it. We need a result. Golden try... removing players from the field.... I don't care but we deserve a result.

 

[carcharias]

exciting ???= a bloke who cant kick a conversion followed by a bloke cant catch?
It was like watching sharks v sharks

 

[forward pass]

The difference is that you're not solving the issue thats sparked this debate in the first place. Are you serious? all your "solution" does is effectively move the fulltime siren back by another 10 minutes. It changes nothing.
Why not make the game 60 minutes long with 20 minutes of extra time and golden point after that? get it?

wtf are you on about? Looks like I am arguing with a genius !

If the score is tied after 80 minutes, the game restarts for another 10 minutes. There would almost certainly be a result by then due to fatigue etc. If not - then goes to golden point. Is that really hard to understand?:lol:

 

[The Charlatan]

Golden point as it stands has no benefit to Rugby League, and is a pretty unfair system.

bullshit. it's perfectly fair, and it doesn't hurt rugby league at all. if you can win the game in the 80th minute with a drop goal, then there's nothing wrong with winning the game the same way in the 81st minute. this year's grand final had a great ending!

Yeah Adam, don't diss Alien's new club like that. He's been their like hugest fan since 10pm Sunday night.

 

[Card Shark]

Apply it to Sunday night and I would love to have seen if the Broncos could pick themselves up and get back on top- or whether the Cowboys would have carried their 79th minute momentum and proceeded to tighten the coffin screws. Could Uncle Wayne have adapted for this with his finals experience or would JT/ Morgan have blasted away with it? As memorable as the ending to the game was, 20 minutes' extra time could have provided a whole other fascinating story to the decider...

Absolutely.

The game was a great arm wrestle spoilt by golden point.

Golden point spoils lots of games as close exciting finishes turn into field goal shootouts.....Boring!

 

[aussie7798]

What if a team kicks 3 penalty goals and the opposition scores a try?

Even if you allowed the team to kick a goal, they could miss and still win a game with fewer points. Or kick it and win a game with equal points. The only way it works IMO is removing those plays as scoring options.

Do that and referees can be less worried about a penalty deciding the game. But there needs to be a deterrent to giving away blatant penalties. Sit the offending player(s) down for the set following the penalty is probably the best solution. But it's still flawed unfortunately. No solution seems to be flawless.

Happy for the result to go to the team that scores the try in that instance really set the reward for scoring the try also like the idea of a 1 set sin bin for penalties conceded not game ending but provides a real incentive to push for the try with the extra man and also punishes infringements with risk

Really need to stop golden point being a field goalathon 3 to 5 tackles of set up for shots is the norm I mean look at the GF every single tackle was a set up for the field goal.

 

[bobmar28]

Absolutely.

The game was a great arm wrestle spoilt by golden point.

Golden point spoils lots of games as close exciting finishes turn into field goal shootouts.....Boring!

Maybe not so boring. The TV ratings increase during extra time.

 

[JJ]

There is no need for it in the regular season, none at all