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Tinkler pulls plug

Perth Red

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They need to get their msg out to the public quick re what the issue was with his offer. It is human nature that people are lazy and will latch onto the most significant part of a story (children overboard anyone?) without bothering to check the detail or facts behind the headline.
 

Billythekid

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They need to get their msg out to the public quick re what the issue was with his offer. It is human nature that people are lazy and will latch onto the most significant part of a story (children overboard anyone?) without bothering to check the detail or facts behind the headline.

As far as i can tell most people are convinced that the knights management are deliberately sabotaging the deal to keep their jobs.

Im not sure what knights management can do to stop people thinking this.
 

canberra_raiders2k2

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What about the media still ripping the knights for turning down a sale of a footy club for free?? this is getting crazy, cannot believe the hate on TV and papers. They are making the club look like pigs and Tinkler some honest savior.
 

Matt23

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What about the media still ripping the knights for turning down a sale of a footy club for free?? this is getting crazy, cannot believe the hate on TV and papers. They are making the club look like pigs and Tinkler some honest savior.
and some of from our beloved local member, Jodi McKay as well, mind you she should be gone by march 28
 

gronkathon

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Its a sad state of affairs that a professional football club loved in the community gets out-gamed in PR terms by a greasy lump of crap
 

badav

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I just find it hilarious how all these untalented journalists have got a list of disgruntled people they go to when they to write a sensationalist story on any given club.

Newcastle - Jack Newton
Souths - George Piggins
Roosters - Artie Beetson

so on and so forth.

As far as Joey's comments go. Its widely known he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. I don't think he would be able to get his head around even the most basic aspects of the deal presented.
 
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Knownothing

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As far as Joey's comments go. Its widely known he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. I don't think he would be able to get his head around even the most basic aspects of the deal presented.


I wonder this would be classed as "cash for comments"?
 

adamkungl

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What about the media still ripping the knights for turning down a sale of a footy club for free?? this is getting crazy, cannot believe the hate on TV and papers. They are making the club look like pigs and Tinkler some honest savior.

It's absolutely shocking. Nobody is standing up and fighting for the Knights to remain a community based club. Blinded by imaginary $$$$$$
 

Timmah

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This has to be some of the worst media reporting of an event I've seen in quite a while.
 

Billythekid

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The media in Newcastle (and Jodi Mckay) are just extremely favourable towards the jets and seem really quick to insult the knights.

I'm just not sure why things have got this way.
 

skeepe

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Agreed. When even I have gone easier on the Knights than the media, you know something isn't right.
 

perverse

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lol... and just when you thought sh*t was getting really crazy...

Newcastle Knights give in-principle agreement to fresh takeover offer from Nathan Tinkler


IT'S on again. Tinkler's offer, lodged yesterday afternoon, prompted the Newcastle board to hastily convene last night - and the warring parties now appear ready to broker a rich new peace.

"Negotiations will continue but it's fair to say there has been a major breakthrough," a source said. But The Daily Telegraph has obtained documents that reveal how close the Tinkler deal came to being derailed by an ugly and hugely expensive legal war that was still being waged yesterday.

The documents show Knights chairman Robert Tew chased Tinkler for $42,675 for his corporate suite at EnergyAustralia Stadium last season.

And a furious Tinkler responded by asserting that the Knights, in fact, owed him $457,000 from an old loan of $500,000 in 2008.

He had given the club until Monday to begin repaying the loan or else he would add more than $100,000 in interest charges.

But with the threats flying both ways, last night it emerged that Tinkler's lawyers had lodged a third bid. It is understood the deal is still for a guarantee of $100 million over 10 years but the structure and wording of the offer has changed.

"If a formal proposal is now

drawn up and presented in the same way it was tonight, the board will support the offer and take it to a meeting of Knights members to be ratified," a source said last night.

It is understood the meeting to decide the future of the club will be held around the end of March.

With board support, the deal appears certain to go through.

Former Knights board member and current NIB chief executive Mark Fitzgibbons has been a key intermediary between the two organisations over the past 48 hours.

The breakthrough came as the members' petition to overthrow the current Knights board reached about 140 signatures - 40 more than was needed to force an extraordinary general meeting.

NRL boss David Gallop also entered the fray yesterday to back the Knights' management over their reluctance to accept Tinkler's offer in its earlier form.

The Knights have been secretly chasing the Tinkler corporate suite money through a series of text messages between chairman Tew and Tinkler. A source close to the club said: "Nathan told Rob Tew several weeks ago he would pay the next day, then sent him a text the next day saying he would pay by the end of that week. No payment has been made."

A series of documents leaked to The Daily Telegraph reveal the details of the squabble between the membership-owned club and one of Australia's richest men. They show that at 10am on November 9 last year, Tinkler personally emailed Tew after his first round of negotiations to buy the Knights had stalled.

"I thought my offer was incredibly generous and would appeal to the community at large but you are too good for me," he wrote.

"I will have Troy [Palmer] work with Steve [Burraston] on the forgiveness of the outstanding loan as my final gesture of supporting the club. There is no more I can do.

"On that basis I rescind the offer [to buy the club] made yesterday and wish you all the best in the future with the club. I now consider this matter closed."

In an apparent backflip, a letter signed by the Tinkler Group's chief financial officer Troy Palmer to the Knights two months later demanded full repayment of the original loan - minus what was owing on the corporate suite.

The Tinkler Group issued the following statement last night:

"We tried to work with Steve on forgiving the loan through a reasonably simple commercial negotiation, but this proved to be too difficult to achieve. We then tried to convert the loan into a sponsorship agreement, which unfortunately didn't occur except for the contra taken up in the 2010 box, as shown by an email from the club. Everything we have done over the last few years has been directed at supporting the club, including our offer to privatise it."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...m-nathan-tinkler/story-e6frexnr-1226011035394

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

Why the Knights took the fight to Tinkler



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NRL boss David Gallop has supported Newcastle's reluctance to sell the Knights to mining magnate Nathan Tinkler under the current terms.
Gallop met with the club's CEO Steve Burraston and Knights lawyers this week to get an update on the negotiations that have split the Newcastle community and its army of rugby league supporters.
"It is perfectly reasonable to run a fine toothcomb over a proposal that would see ownership of a club passed over from the members to a private individual - that's a massive step," Gallop said.
"The Knights are loved by all Novocastrians and they are not on the brink of financial trouble. In fact, with the new grandstand and new television money coming up, the club's financial position will only improve in the years ahead.


"I have spoken to Burro in the last 24 hours. They are not opposed to private ownership but are within their rights to be looking for a deal that warrants such a massive change."Gallop's comments came on the day the fight for the Knights turned ugly when it was revealed Tinkler owed the Knights $42,000 for his corporate box at Energy Australia Stadium last year.
Tinkler fired back claiming he was, in fact, owed $457,000 by the club from a loan in 2008.
It was also confirmed the NRL was launching an investigation into Tinkler's phone call to Sharks forward Kade Snowden and whether the player had a legal commitment to the Sharks after verbally agreeing to terms.The prop has told the Sharks he was offered $2 million over five years.
The battle
No wonder Tinkler wants a slice of the action. The Knights are a profit-making business.
They've made a profit for the last two years, one of only three NRL clubs to do so, despite operating on game days with half a stadium and losing $1.7 million in revenue from demolishing and rebuilding the new stand.
Increased club grants from the NRL Independent Commission and the re-negotiation of television rights for 2013 stand to deliver a significant financial windfall for all NRL clubs and make the Knights an even more valuable asset with the potential of making millions a year.
On top of that, there is the likelihood of all clubs getting an extra $1.5 million a year from the sports gambling case of bookmakers being charged for using the game's intellectual property, as has happened in racing.
There is an argument that Tinkler has never actually made a $100 million offer. That it would only be $100 million sale if the Knights didn't have a single sponsor for the next 10 years.
They sold $7 million worth of sponsorship last year and have about the same this season on top of commitments for 2012 and 2013.
"If they've been getting $7 million from sponsors while the team has been struggling, imagine what they'll they become when they are a bit more competitive," said one insider. "In five years they could easily be getting $12 million a year.
"That means Tinkler owns the club but puts absolutely nothing in. Not a cent. Not a bad deal for him and much better than Russell Crowe and Peter Holmes a Court got when they paid with their own cash and lots of it for Souths."
The control freak
COACHES, recruitment managers and chief executives are normally in charge of negotiating with and signing the players.
Not Tinkler. He rang State of Origin prop Kade Snowden himself last week and asked him not to sign with the Sharks because he wanted him in Newcastle.
No one at the Knights was even consulted. How did he know coach Rick Stone and recruitment guru Keith Onslow didn't want Dave Shillington or Tom Learoyd-Lahrs? Or even big Matthew Scott from the Cowboys?
The same with Jamal Idris. How does Tinkler know the coach didn't want Michael Jennings, Joel Reddy or Shaun Kenny-Dowall?
Racing interests
Tinkler has form in the thoroughbred industry.
Anthony Cummings was the first of several trainers he withdrew Patinack Farm-owned horses from. Others were Mick Price, Jason Coyle and Gabrielle Englebrecht.
Cummings and Tinkler are now locked in a court battle.
Andrew Johns
Knights legend Johns attacked the club's directors in yesterday's The Daily Telegraph. Johns left the coaching staff recently over a row about his payments.
"What the hell are they doing? We don't want Greg Bird playing for Gold Coast. We don't want Kade Snowden at Cronulla. We don't want Dane Tilse playing for Canberra," Johns said.
Tinkler's wallet wouldn't have saved any of them.
Bird left for Cronulla at the end of 2001.
It was the year the Knights won the premiership and spent all their money keeping their grand final heroes.
Kade Snowden joined Cronulla because coach Brian Smith didn't want him.
They had the money under the cap to keep him but wanted others instead, including Danny Wicks and Chris Houston from St George-Illawarra.
Dane Tilse ... he was sacked for jumping into bed with a female university student in a drunken incident in Bathurst in 2005.
Like the others, money had no bearing on him leaving.
The same applies to Roosters rookie Boyd Cordner, the teenager featured on the back page yesterday.
The Knights had plenty of money to keep him - but again, Brian Smith didn't want him.
Pressure tactics
Tinkler has a way of getting what he wants.
With the Knights it's a case of: take the offer or I'll get my highly-paid PR advisers to orchestrate a media campaign to throw you out of office.
Enter Tim Allerton, the managing director of City PR who handles the accounts of many of Sydney's biggest movers and shakers. He also handled Crowe and Holmes a Court's purchase of Souths.
He doesn't allow journalists who talk to Tinkler to grill him about the Knights offer. Interviews are done by email - or not at all.
Enter Richard Fisk, the veteran footy administrator and media man who has spent the last eight weeks leaking negative stories about the Knights to anyone who cares to take his phone calls.
Last night Newcastle directors were meeting to consider a new offer from Tinkler's lawyers. In the wake of this offer, another chapter in the dispute could be written as early as today.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...fight-to-tinkler/story-e6frexnr-1226010984983

dead set... my head is now completely done in. finally getting a little bit from both sides of the fence... and bam, another offer on the table. called his bluff?
 
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Timmah

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Only the intelligent ones. Joey's an idiot who clearly doesn't understand the deal. He's read $100 million like many others and not actually asked what that's about.

I hate Slothfield but massive kudos to him for finally reporting the facts on this.
 

applesauce

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Thank god the Knights board called Tinklers bluff. That fat merkin wants the Knights more than the knights want him.

I am so f**king pissed at the DT but, where the f**k was this during the week in a main story? NEWS and even the ABC said the Knights were "dire straights" if this bid was rejected... Hence Gallop coming in and trying to put out fires.

No wonder Tinkler wants a slice of the action. The Knights are a profit-making business.
They've made a profit for the last two years, one of only three NRL clubs to do so, despite operating on game days with half a stadium and losing $1.7 million in revenue from demolishing and rebuilding the new stand.
Increased club grants from the NRL Independent Commission and the re-negotiation of television rights for 2013 stand to deliver a significant financial windfall for all NRL clubs and make the Knights an even more valuable asset with the potential of making millions a year. On top of that, there is the likelihood of all clubs getting an extra $1.5 million a year from the sports gambling case of bookmakers being charged for using the game's intellectual property, as has happened in racing.

And why wasn't this explain better and moe often in the reports? Sensationalist merkins.

There is an argument that Tinkler has never actually made a $100 million offer. That it would only be $100 million sale if the Knights didn't have a single sponsor for the next 10 years.
They sold $7 million worth of sponsorship last year and have about the same this season on top of commitments for 2012 and 2013.
"If they've been getting $7 million from sponsors while the team has been struggling, imagine what they'll they become when they are a bit more competitive," said one insider. "In five years they could easily be getting $12 million a year.
"That means Tinkler owns the club but puts absolutely nothing in. Not a cent. Not a bad deal for him and much better than Russell Crowe and Peter Holmes a Court got when they paid with their own cash and lots of it for Souths."

So he gets a better deal for a profitable club, and the Knights members are uniting to overthrow the board. Wow, just wow...
 
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.So he gets a better deal for a profitable club, and the Knights members are uniting to overthrow the board. Wow, just wow...

I wish ppl would get the facts right regarding the bolded bit.


We ARE NOT uniting to overthrow the board, all we are doing is asking the board to give us ALL THE FACTS

Never at any time was this petition demanding the board go.

REPEAT

We ARE NOT uniting to overthrow the board.
 

applesauce

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I wish ppl would get the facts right regarding the bolded bit.


We ARE NOT uniting to overthrow the board, all we are doing is asking the board to give us ALL THE FACTS

Never at any time was this petition demanding the board go.

REPEAT

We ARE NOT uniting to overthrow the board.

On EVERY story I have read it has been a Knight petition of "no confidence".

Now NEWS could be full of sh*t again so sorry if I am wrong, but even quotes from members seem to be wanting the board goooone.
 
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