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Big Pete

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Finally got through it.

Spent all day avoiding spoilers, waiting for a release just to see this show without my opinion being tainted.

Good show.

RVD vs. Ion was an ok opener. Not a whole lot to say other than Van Dam hitting a nice flip drop kick spot right before the finish. Van Dam going over is fine with me, X-Division needed a name and Van Dam needed something to do. Seems like a good fit to me.

Samoa Joe vs. Magnus was solid. I liked what I saw from Magnus, good psychology to work the arm and his spots were good but a lot of Joe's offence left a lot to be desired. Enjoyed the finish though with Magnus finally succumbing to a 3rd choke.

Storm vs. Roode was really good. Storm's blade job was the sickest I've seen since Eddie back in 04 and these two worked a good street job match. Lived up to 12 months of story which isn't an easy thing to do.

Joey Ryan vs. Al Snow was surprisingly solid. Good veteren vs. brash up-comer story with Snow moving surprisingly well for a guy who hasn't been active in a long while. Loved that Snow gave the fans what they wanted (head) and the return of Morgan. Pretty much as good if not better than it had any right to be.

Triple threat tag was a nice spot-fest match. That powerbomb from the apron from Hernandez on Kaz was sick otherwise it's basically what you'd expect. Chavo + Hernandez going over was a surprise. Crowd didn't care for it but moving forward it was the better option as AJ + Angle should move on & Kaz + Daniels can keep doing whatever they want.

Tara vs. Tessmacher was plain meh. Typical diva match really.

Aces & 8s was just a fun ol' brawl. Bully Ray was the star, loved how he embraced the Sting gimmick what with the face paint and beating the chest and everything. He was a damn good partner constantly watching Sting's back and was a bunch of fun watching. Finish was as lackluster as it could get and there were some spots that I thought, y'know these guys have brutally beaten some of your friends and you're BOTH getting distracted from Parks beating up a much smaller dude? Table spot was kind of similar but by that point I was just embracing this being an 'entertainment' match. The D'Von swerve was good in my books, whether he can handle it remains to be seen but I was honestly like 'oh damn' when he was revealed.

Hardy/Aries was a really good main event and what you'd come to expect from Aries this year. The booking leaves a bad taste in my mouth and it seems like the crowd hated it too but otherwise it delivered about where it had to without being overly amazing. Found the finish kind of funny, seemed like Aries was going ol' HBK circa SummerSlam 05 to get in position for the Swanton Bomb. Otherwise, I really like Aries style and I thought Hardy worked well off the back of it.

Like I said, it was a good show and enough happened to keep me interested in what's going to happen in the future.
 

Misanthrope

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TNA has been on a really good run as far as storylines and matches of late, but I was really disappointed in the decision to put Hardy over Aries. I feel like Aries still had a lot of mileage as champion, and I also felt like he was still working as a face.

I get that Hardy moves merchandise and is the company's 'Cena', but he didn't need the belt. Really, any of the other three BFG series participants would have been a better bet.
 
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Turning Point sounds like it was a cracker of a PPV.

Samoa Joe def. Magnus by submission in a No DQ match to retain the TNA TV Title

ODB + Eric Young def. Tara + Jesse Godderz

RVD def. Joey Ryan to retain the X-Division Title. Matt Morgan laid out RVD post match.

Doc (Luke Gallows) def. Joseph Park. Park juiced in this match, leading him to switch into "Abyss mode"

Chavo Guerrero + Hernandez def. Frankie Kazarian + Christopher Daniels to retain the TNA Tag Titles

James Storm def. AJ Styles + Bobby Roode in a number 1 contenders match for the TNA Heavyweight Title. As a result of their loss, Styles + Roode cannot challenge for the TNA Heavyweight Title until Bound For Glory 2013.

Kurt Angle def. D-Von

Jeff Hardy def. Austin Aries in a Ladder Match to retain the TNA Heavyweight Title
 

Big Pete

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Heard it was just a good show.

4 good matches and the rest didn't suck and served their purpose.

Turning Point is generally one of their better shows of the year.
 

azzah72

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Turning Point sounds like it was a cracker of a PPV.

Samoa Joe def. Magnus by submission in a No DQ match to retain the TNA TV Title

ODB + Eric Young def. Tara + Jesse Godderz

RVD def. Joey Ryan to retain the X-Division Title. Matt Morgan laid out RVD post match.

Doc (Luke Gallows) def. Joseph Park. Park juiced in this match, leading him to switch into "Abyss mode"

Chavo Guerrero + Hernandez def. Frankie Kazarian + Christopher Daniels to retain the TNA Tag Titles

James Storm def. AJ Styles + Bobby Roode in a number 1 contenders match for the TNA Heavyweight Title. As a result of their loss, Styles + Roode cannot challenge for the TNA Heavyweight Title until Bound For Glory 2013.

Kurt Angle def. D-Von

Jeff Hardy def. Austin Aries in a Ladder Match to retain the TNA Heavyweight Title

It was a pretty good ppv considering I don't watch a lot of wrestling these days.

As for the bold, it's only styles that can't get a shot as he took the pin.
 

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I liked what I heard of the triple threat. Apparently Styles looked 'run-down' and was purposefully blowing spots showing the emotional strain he's been going through for a whole year. It's a good story and a good way to capitilise on some otherwise ordinary creative decisions for AJ.

Ladder match sounded brutal. Too sloppy for it to compete with the best matches of the year but certainly up there in the 'OMG' stakes. Hardy is an absolute nutter and dare I say, the best ladder match worker of all time.

Only competition I reckon he has is Jericho & Eddie. Michaels there abouts.
 

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TNA are discussing cutting back to 4-6 PPVs in 2013. While the WWE/F's decision to run monthly pay per view was a pretty revolutionary idea when it came about, I'd go as far as to say the idea has run it's course. We are getting to a point that PPVS no longer feels special because we are over-saturated with them.

To me, pay per view hasn't felt special since the split ended. The brand specific shows highlighted lesser talents, kept big matches for big cards, and generally made them feel less generic.

I'd love to see WWE follow TNA's lead, but can't see it happening.
 
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I know TNA have dropped 2 PPV'S which lead into their biggest events buyrate wise in Lockdown and Bound for Glory. Against All Odds is the first one to go leading into Lockdown, can't remember which one was dropped for Bound for Glory, maybe Hard Justice.

I think 6-8 PPV's would be perfect for both TNA + WWE. TNA to their credit realise that quality is better than quantity for their current product, with Impact probably the best programming between the two major companies (who would of thought that 12-18 months ago).

Impact would be even better with more Mag Daddy too, Aces + Eights were smart to take him out since he would of destroyed them all in one night!
 

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What did you think of the brand specific PPVs, SGL?

If you were going to cut from the WWE schedule, where would you make the cuts?
 

Misanthrope

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Whoops! I knew that. Hell, I remember the exact quote from Eric Bischoff when he took credit for it from the Monday Night Wars documentary.
 
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What did you think of the brand specific PPVs, SGL?

If you were going to cut from the WWE schedule, where would you make the cuts?

Brand specific PPV's worked for WWE for a while. The issue is that now with no clear brand split, it just won't work. Another issue that ended brand specific PPV's was that SmackDown was viewed as the B show and had some terrible shows as a result (the less said about ECW December to Dismember the better). It could work today, but with WWE talent spread so thin now it just wouldn't be worth it.

As for WWE PPV's to get rid of, the gimmick based PPV's need the chop ASAP! I would also get rid of the PPV's leading into the RR + WM. Maybe even the one leading into SS.
 

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Oddly enough, when the Smackdown Six were in their prime - Smackdown was a far more entertaining show to watch than Raw IMO.
 

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The first half of the card felt like TV matches, but it picked up towards the end. AJ/Daniels and Hardy/Roode were good matches hurt by a pretty dead crowd, and I'm still enjoying the Aces & 8's stuff and particularly their role in the main event program.

Wish we'd get a few more names for them though. Devon and D.O.C. are all well and good, but I want to know the other masked men!
 

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