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WYD

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I doubt Aries will hold it for long.

It's a Luger '97 run.
That depends on how determined they are to get James Storm over. They need to have Storm go over Roode if he wins the BFG series, so he will obviously need to get the belt back.

The alternative to that is to consider how over Austin Aries has got and look at all the possible great match ups. The title scene looks very fresh with AA on top. Is it worth pulling a babyface down, who's got so much momentum, just to put another one over?
 

Misanthrope

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The Roode/Storm feud doesn't need the belt involved to be big. I would like to see TNA play that feud out, give Aries a feud or two to cement himself, and then give the belt to somebody else further down the line. You don't need to hold gold to be a big name - Bully Ray has been one of TNA's most consistent top tier guys and he's not had a real shot at it.

Hoping they go with Joe winning the BFG series.

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Was lucky enough to be ringside for Destination X last night. You can check out my photos here:

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Big Pete

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It's in their interest to feature the biggest program as the BFG main event.

There is no bigger feud than Storm/Roode.

If done effectively, they can return the belt to Roode, double his heat and still make Aries relevant heading into 2013.
 

DB

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The Roode/Storm feud doesn't need the belt involved to be big. I would like to see TNA play that feud out, give Aries a feud or two to cement himself, and then give the belt to somebody else further down the line. You don't need to hold gold to be a big name - Bully Ray has been one of TNA's most consistent top tier guys and he's not had a real shot at it.

Hoping they go with Joe winning the BFG series.

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Was lucky enough to be ringside for Destination X last night. You can check out my photos here:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150893960132693.400932.591147692&type=3

Saw it on EWB yesterday.... great photos
 

Big Pete

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Time to bump this sucker.

Haven't really been keeping up with TNA but with Bound For Glory coming just round the corner I'd like to get a feel for what's happening. So SGL & Mis, can you act as my guides and give me the 411 on TNA?
 

KeepingTheFaith

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TNA has been doing a lot better lately, but far too much Ace's and 8's for very little forward progress in the angle.

Of course you might not even know who Ace's and 8's are if you haven't been paying attention.
 

Big Pete

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I'm aware of the basic angles (eg. Aries turning heel and such) but only the odd tidbit.

Is Claire Lynch still around?
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Aries turning heel? Wouldn't say he's turned heel, still acting exactly as he was before, probably just overshadowed a bit by Hardy as his challenger.

No they killed the Claire Lynch storyline thank god. Basically people found links to her youtube account where it showed a bunch of commercials and crap like that so she quit (there's probably more to it, I was just glad for the storyline to be over.)

Matt Morgan who was believed to have quit the company (contract lapse) has started showing up at TNA house shows as an uncontracted invader so people believe he's part of Ace's and 8's.

Devon's contract lapsed as he was TV champ. Samoa Joe won a match for the vacant belt.

Tag team matches have been getting a little better with Angle/Styles and Guerrero/Hernandez in the mix against Daniels/Kazarian. Would still like to see some long term tag teams get developed though.

Truth is everything is really waiting for the Ace's and 8's storyline to actually go anywhere. There's been a lot of speculation on who will be in the group. Most are expecting a swerve at BFG to really set that angle up.
 

Big Pete

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I heard he's been whinging about Hardy and playing a similar role as Punk.

Cheers for all that, sounds like they're just treading water until they pull the trigger on Ace's & 8s.

How is Roode/Storm panning out? What's going on with the Knockouts & X-Division?
 
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TNA storylines are good, though there is a monster train wreck whenever Hulk Hogan turns up because it creates a black hole of stupid. The wrestling is better than WWE overall, particularly on the undercard. Storyline wise:

- Aires is moving back into a heel role, slow burn at the moment, but it's going back to what made him so popular when he was X-Division Champion
- Aces + Eights has dragged on a bit long and is getting stupid (they have a clubhouse apparently, and Hulk Hogan approves of torturing captured members). Although Stevie Ray's slapjack made a return. Jeff Jarrett was favourite to be the leader, though I'm going with Bully Ray.
- Bully Ray is one of the best guys on the mic today
- Crack whore Claire is gone after being trolled by TNA fans. Daniels + Kaz do well in their current role, however their storyline with AJ Styles has gone on a bit long I think
- Joe is being built (again) as a monster submission guy
- Magnus is getting some TV time finally, back to being heel
- Brooke Tessmacher is proving to be one of the better women's wrestlers today, improved out of sight
- X-Division seems to have stalled, with Kenny King disappearing and Zema Ion wrestling Sonjay Dutt repeatedly for the title (excellent matches though). Think they are waiting until Jesse Sorensen can return in some capacity.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Ace's and 8's storyline started strong as it ran alongside the BFG series and added some nice subplots such as making it look like Storm was involved with them and various finger pointing at other wrestlers.

After the BFG series it dragged on a bit with TNA standing in the ring calling them out (sometimes they showed, sometimes they didn't) and various all out brawls. The thing for me that is making it drag is that we've had Aries vs A masked Aces & 8's member and now at BFG we've got Sting/Bully Ray vs 2 random Aces and 8's members. At some point they have to pull the trigger and show us who they are, but I have a bad feeling they're going to show us all of them at the same time rather than revealing one or two, and then teasing that there's someone else behind it all etc. It's starting to feel like a slow build for a very quick swerve.

Knockouts aren't doing a hell of a lot. Tara turned heel. That's about it really. Velvet gone, Winter gone, Micke James rarely seen. They had some silly angle with Madison Rayne having a crush on Hebner but that's disappeared. Sarita hasn't been spotted for ages. Then there's Brooke Hogan's horrible acting.

X-Division hasn't really taken off with Zema Ion as champion. They're not really giving him much time to be fair. He's got a personality, they just don't showcase it often and there doesn't seem to be any genuine challengers being built up, more like random matches thrown together. I guess the plan is to keep Ion strong until Sorenson is recovered whenever that will be as he's been doing a few post match injury angles to make it look like he's putting guys on the shelf. At the moment he doesn't even have a BFG match (will probably end up with some sort of multi man match thrown in at the last minute involving all the guys he's beaten since becomming champ.)

Storm V Roode has been one of the stronger feuds. I like the way they've kept the two apart for the better part of a year but at the same time they've always been at each other.

Roode was the one who originally accused Storm of being with Aces and 8's and started that whole angle, then after losing to Aries he disappeared for a month before returning to screw Storm at BFG. Since then they've just been brawling, which sounds a little like nothing but the history between them makes it better and both guys are selling it.

Aries as champ has been great. There's definite similarities between Punk and Aries in the way they're being booked against fan favourites. At the moment TNA don't seem to be pulling the trigger on any heel turn though as opposed to WWE who have been pushing Punk hard as a heel. One more Impact until BFG so maybe they'll pull the trigger there. Not sure how to feel about it as he was getting very over with the Impact crowd until they put him against Hardy.

Bully Ray has been gold. Got to admit I groaned a little when they made him a singles wrestler and pushed him, but he's making it work. He's been working as a heel the whole time but also has been pro TNA/anti Aces and 8's which has put him on side with Sting and other faces. Strange contrast, but it works. There's rumours that Bully will screw TNA and line up with Ace's and 8's at BFG. Hope that isn't the case. Kind of like the "Bully with honour" thing he's got going on at the moment.

Something will happen at BFG with Ace's and 8's, that's a given. Whether TNA move forward strongly or take a few steps back will depend on what happens and how they follow it up.
 

Big Pete

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You guys should be writing summaries for the official website, cheers!

Shame about the Knockouts & X-Division guys. Back in 08 they were the biggest draws for me (along with the 'originals') and to see what's become of them is depressing, particularly the Knockouts. What happened to Gail Kim? I enjoyed the bits I caught of her reign.

I'll be honest, I can't stand Tara. Solid worker but had her time in the sun and doesn't really have that much charisma. Would much rather see some Shimmer girls or something.

I caught a doco on Zema after his interview on the Art of Wrestling. I was impressed with what I saw and while he still has a bit to work on he's a good prospect in the ring. Shame they're being so transparent with the Sorensen angle. I wouldn't mind them capitilising on his injury as long as they kept the championship and division relevant.

Speaking of up and comers, what's going on with Garrett?

The Bully angle sounds great. I've turned around big time on him too since 2011 to the point where I'd almost call him the best heel in the biz.

Will make an effort to watch the go home show and Bound For Glory.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Garrett was partnering with D-Von, but when D-Von left he dropped away a bit. We saw him last week asking to be considered for a TV title shot for the vacant belt. Hogan didn't pick him so he gave Hogan a dirty look which now has people saying he'll be part of Aces and 8's.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Yeah Eric Bischoff, Jeff Jarrett, Bully Ray, Hogan would be a let down for me if any of them were behind it.

Garrett Bischoff I wouldn't mind, but not the mastermind, that would be terrible.

Would like to see Magnus in there. The guy is young, talented, good on the mic. Just needs a real storyline to push him higher on the card.

I just hope they don't do a sudden reveal and all we see are half a dozen WWE discards. One or two would make it interesting, but not all of them.
 
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Full Bound for Glory results:

- RVD def. Zema Ion to win the X-Division Title

- Samoa Joe def. Magnus to retain the TNA TV Title

- James Storm def. Bobby Roode in a Street Fight

- Joey Ryan def. Al Snow after Matt Morgan ran in and laid out Snow. Ryan now has a TNA contract

- Hernandez + Chavo Guerrero def. AJ Styles + Kurt Angle and Christopher Daniels + Frankie Kazarian to win the TNA Tag Titles

- Tara def. Brooke Tessmacher to win the TNA Knockouts Title

- Aces + Eights (Luke Gallows + Mike Knox in balaclavas) def. Bully Ray + Sting after the Aces + Eights leader levelled Bully Ray. Hulk Hogan made the save during a post match beat down, revealing the leader of the Aces + Eights to be Devon Dudley.

- Jeff Hardy def. Austin Aires to win the TNA Heavyweight Title
 

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