Todays D-Day......... Change, Same or Dummy Spit?

[merahputih]

Yet let’s say someone like O’Connor was selected as the most suitable via the recruitment process, how would that have looked?


At the end of the day, the club has the say who they appoint - the recruitment process itself isn’t an external thing..

Certainly, the club has a say in who they appoint. My point is the way the process proceeded and the optics of the whole thing: commissioning a leading, respected and expensive recruiting firm to scour the world for a CEO, receiving almost 100 applications from presumably highly qualified sports administrators (this sounds awfully like an external recruitment process?), and then some internal machinations take place, the 100 odd applicants are told 'thanks for your interest' and Johnston makes a soft landing in the CEO's chair. If all of this was designed to project the image of a full and impartial selection process they may as well have plonked Johnno straight in the chair and saved everyone a lot of time and money, not to mention the anger and frustration the other applicants must have felt after going to the trouble of applying for the job.

 

[muzby]

commissioning a leading, respected and expensive recruiting firm to scour the world for a CEO, receiving almost 100 applications from presumably highly qualified sports administrators (this sounds awfully like an external recruitment process?)

The recruitment process itself is an internal one..

Companies occasion outsource certain parts, such as application collection or reference checking or testing, but the decision to start the hiring process, and the final say on who is hired requires sign off from someone in the hiring company..

For it to be an external process, a recruitment agency would have to be both creating the roles and appointing the successful candidate..

I do like though that the further our club wanders into quagmary, the more qualified the agency and their resumes will become..

And I do like your use of the term “respected”.. Recruiters would rank somewhere near used car salesmen in this area..

A headhunting agency like we engaged find people who aren’t actively looking for work, but at the end of the day they are simply a recruitment agency..

 

[St Georgio]

I want us to Fold completely, I don't want the St Socks Dragons to exist anymore, I rather sail into the Sunset with 15 premierships, I despise the merger, I detest the NRL!

 

[West coast dragon]

Its Bali.

Biggest decision of the day

Bin tang or bin tang lol

 

[Ronnie Dobbs]

I want us to Fold completely, I don't want the St Socks Dragons to exist anymore, I rather sail into the Sunset with 15 premierships, I despise the merger, I detest the NRL!

Thats the course we’re on.

The game requires relocation, not expansion. Will come down to survival of fittest at that stage. We are pathetic. Will likely try merge with Cronulla. We have that little to offer.

 

[TruSaint]

Bin tang or bin tang lol

 

[West coast dragon]

Or bin tang lol

 

[West coast dragon]

Just watching Dugan shit ain’t much has changed lol he won’t pass and still gets up like he’s been shot after every tackle ahhh the old days hahahaha

 

[TruSaint]

Or bin tang lol

 

[West coast dragon]

Just watching Dugan shit ain’t much has changed lol he won’t pass and still gets up like he’s been shot after every tackle ahhh the old days hahahaha

Cost his team a try on the right edge with his refusal to pass

 

[SaintPauli]

Actually it wasn’t even a question, let alone a rhetorical one..

Riggggggggggggggggggggggggggt!

 

[muzby]

Riggggggggggggggggggggggggggt!

I think that’s your phone..

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

The recruitment process itself is an internal one..

Companies occasion outsource certain parts, such as application collection or reference checking or testing, but the decision to start the hiring process, and the final say on who is hired requires sign off from someone in the hiring company..

For it to be an external process, a recruitment agency would have to be both creating the roles and appointing the successful candidate..

I do like though that the further our club wanders into quagmary, the more qualified the agency and their resumes will become..

And I do like your use of the term “respected”.. Recruiters would rank somewhere near used car salesmen in this area..

A headhunting agency like we engaged find people who aren’t actively looking for work, but at the end of the day they are simply a recruitment agency..

I disagree with your assessment Muzby. We're talking about selection of a CEO for an organization that has been chronically underachieving.

They're not going to use the local labour hire company for the steelworks. I assume they used a respected, well credentialed company with significant experience in executive appointments. Those companies are certainly around. You may have zero respect for them but then you appear to have zero respect for anyone.

Unfortunately one of the side effects of a flawed selection process is that next time good applicants won't bother applying. What is the point if the Board are just going to drop a mate into the role.

 

[muzby]

I disagree with your assessment Muzby. We're talking about selection of a CEO for an organization that has been chronically underachieving.

They're not going to use the local labour hire company for the steelworks. I assume they used a respected, well credentialed company with significant experience in executive appointments. Those companies are certainly around. You may have zero respect for them but then you appear to have zero respect for anyone.

Unfortunately one of the side effects of a flawed selection process is that next time good applicants won't bother applying. What is the point if the Board are just going to drop a mate into the role.

The recruitment company don’t make the appointment.

It’s the organisation who pay the wage who have the decision on who they appoint.

I’m not sure why people don’t understand this basic fact..

I assume they used a respected, well credentialed company with significant experience in executive appointments.

Out of curiosity why is it that the assumption is the company that we hired in this instance is suddenly considered so well credentialed by everyone (who is the company by the way?) When any other company we associate with everyone always rubbishes?

I find this element rather amusing..

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

"I’m not sure why people don’t understand this basic fact.."

I'm sure most people understand that basic fact. I totally get the Board has the authority to appoint whoever they want. What I don't understand is why you would spend money on a process, then ignore the whole thing and appoint someone who didn't apply in the first place.

Re the company used in the process being well credentialed, you are correct, that is an assumption on my part. I just thought any multi million dollar enterprise would engage a well credentialed firm for such an important appointment.

 

[RedV Resurgence]

It really amazes me that no one from BJ through to the media when assessing Mary's performance over the past 5 years has based their assessment on real assessment criteria. Normally when you assess the performance of a a senior staff member you analysis the performance against a series of objective criteria that relate to the responsibilities of the individual.

The arguments from the media are generally a series of excuses for the non performance ranging from injured players, JDB, travel etc. These are valid issues that impact considerations, however the baseline set of criteria need to form the bases of Mary's performance.

These criteria should include the following and KPI's against each:
1. Effectiveness of the gameplans developed against each team each week.
2. Effectiveness of Mary's and his team getting the team ready each week to perform at a suitable level.
3. Development and progression of both junior players and senior players with identified deficiencies.
4. Development and maintenance of culture and standards within the playing group.
5. Overall success of the football department.
etc

I don't see BJ or the media discussing these when discussing Mary's performance, Yet on the forum, many contributors have provided their view of his performance in these key performance areas.

It would appear that members of this forum, and a limited number of media (Jamie Soward) have started actually assess Mary against genuine assessment criteria. I think it just goes to show how poor our media has become.

 

[muzby]

"I’m not sure why people don’t understand this basic fact.."

I'm sure most people understand that basic fact. I totally get the Board has the authority to appoint whoever they want. What I don't understand is why you would spend money on a process, then ignore the whole thing and appoint someone who didn't apply in the first place.

Happens more often than you would realise..

 

[BLM01]

"I’m not sure why people don’t understand this basic fact.."

I'm sure most people understand that basic fact. I totally get the Board has the authority to appoint whoever they want. What I don't understand is why you would spend money on a process, then ignore the whole thing and appoint someone who didn't apply in the first place.

Re the company used in the process being well credentialed, you are correct, that is an assumption on my part. I just thought any multi million dollar enterprise would engage a well credentialed firm for such an important appointment.

I am sick of the buzz word in sport "process". Never seen CEO's and coaches use it so much than this year

 

[muzby]

I am sick of the buzz word in sport "process". Never seen CEO's and coaches use it so much than this year

We suck at the on-field defensive process..

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

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Before making my post, l put much thought as to where l wanted to record this ( small ) milestone achievement.

l thought long & hard but in the end, l let our marvellous coach decide.
Yep, l could think of no better place to comment than the oldie but a goodie, Sack McGregor thread.

Just for good measure................... Sack McGregor!