Todd Greenberg has pretty much said one Sydney team will be relocated.

[titoelcolombiano]

Hehe.. nah, I'm happy enough to keep Jacinda here, thanks for the offer.

But, as blunt as I was in the above post.. the bottom line is that it irks me that a fair section of Sydney's rugby league community seems to think the deserve 9 NRL-level clubs (or more) as some kind of birthright or something, when lucrative markets are either under-represented (Brisbane) or not represented at all.

Sure, I push the case for a 2nd NZ team (preferably Wellington, but that's just my own preference hehe), but seriously there's at least half a dozen options out there to grow league in new, exciting ways.

I know your preference is Wellington, but what are your views on Christchurch's ability to host a full-time team? Do you think that in 30 years time we could have Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch in the NRL?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You do realise that most sports leagues outside of America have an upper limit of about 18 to 20 teams, yeah??

And no sport in Australia has been able to sustain more than 18 to date.

 

[Stallion]

Let me get this right @Perth Red is a pathetic piece of piss because he doesn't agree with your views.... Seems reasonable...

You are a proven pathetic piece of shit! Delusional shit at that !

 

[Stallion]

Let me get this right @Perth Red is a pathetic piece of piss because he doesn't agree with your views.... Seems reasonable...

The disrespect and flawed logic earn these derisive terms. If that's the badge: you have earnt it well. Your scurrilous stance does rugbyleague no good at all. But continue on! A true pest!

 

[Stallion]

Please explain why former first tier north sydney rugby union clubs can be succesful from the third teir based on nostalgia and suburban grounds but RL can not replicate this from the second teir.

? You are seriously delusional. Totally different scenario! The North Sydney Bears is and was an Australia wide recognised club. These Sydney clubs you ridicule and disrespect are way above in notoriety and public awareness than some amateur code that should have been superceded decades ago! I'm astounded at the lack of knowledge and respect you have for these time honored clubs on Sydney! It's incredibly rude and reckless.

 

[siv]

? You are seriously delusional. Totally different scenario! The North Sydney Bears is and was an Australia wide recognised club. These Sydney clubs you ridicule and disrespect are way above in notoriety and public awareness than some amateur code that should have been superceded decades ago! I'm astounded at the lack of knowledge and respect you have for these time honored clubs on Sydney! It's incredibly rude and reckless.

I guess you can look at how many teams across Australia and the Pacific if not the world have adopted Sydney team colours and mascots since 1908

 

[Stallion]

I guess you can look at how many teams across Australia and the Pacific if not the world have adopted Sydney team colours and mascots since 1908

On that note. looking beyond that : this competition is a well hidden secret compared to the EPL etc. Another issue but not entirely of rugbyleague's doing.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

The disrespect and flawed logic earn these derisive terms. If that's the badge: you have earnt it well. Your scurrilous stance does rugbyleague no good at all. But continue on! A true pest!

But just to be clear, the insults are ''earned'' because people disagree with you?

 

[adamkungl]

Ignore don't derail

 

[titoelcolombiano]

? You are seriously delusional. Totally different scenario! The North Sydney Bears is and was an Australia wide recognised club. These Sydney clubs you ridicule and disrespect are way above in notoriety and public awareness than some amateur code that should have been superceded decades ago! I'm astounded at the lack of knowledge and respect you have for these time honored clubs on Sydney! It's incredibly rude and reckless.

Well, Manly and Warringah in RU certainly seem to be popular enough to make it work. Are Manly and Norths in RL not popular enough to make it work?

 

[Stallion]

But just to be clear, the insults are ''earned'' because people disagree with you?

No. You are a consistent flog! You have been caught out asserting a complete falsehood on use of aliases on the past and its notable your contributionsite are extremely reckless toward the code of rugby league and its premier competition.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

No. You are a consistent flog!

Because my view is different to yours?

You have been caught out asserting a complete falsehood on use of aliases on the past

Are you referring to the three other accounts you run?

contributionsite are extremely reckless toward the code of rugby league and its premier competition.

Not sure what a contributionsite is

 

[Stallion]

Well, Manly and Warringah in RU certainly seem to be popular enough to make it work. Are Manly and Norths in RL not popular enough to make it work?

Are Manly and Warringah together as a union club? Two arch rivals ,especially well known arch rivals (due to being in rugby league) do not go together. They have history and cultural differences that create a respected and valuable rivalry. These fans are actual people and their leusure/entertainment you are so generously toying with. The disrespect you continually profess and extol is astonishing. But you still continue on. Shame .

 

[Stallion]

Because my view is different to yours?



Are you referring to the three other accounts you run?



Not sure what a contributionsite is

I note you are still delusional! One thing you have proven to.be: a consistent ignoramus! Your grasp of reality is non existent. You have mentioned one correct idea on this forum; Brisbane 2 should be created out of Brisbane. That's it. Not one other sensible statement or idea ! Even when you are so wrong you contnue on and waste other decent fans time! That's you.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Even when you are so wrong you contnue on and waste other decent fans time! That's you.

Does wrong mean that I disagree with you?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Are Manly and Warringah together as a union club? Two arch rivals ,especially well known arch rivals (due to being in rugby league) do not go together. They have history and cultural differences that create a respected and valuable rivalry. These fans are actual people and their leusure/entertainment you are so generously toying with. The disrespect you continually profess and extol is astonishing. But you still continue on. Shame .

No, Manly and Warringah are separate clubs in union and they seem to be popular enough to pull some decent crowds off the back of their traditional brands, rivalry and suburban grounds - all from the third teir of their sport.

Something you don't think RL can replecate from the second teir for some reason. Do you think Manly and Norths aren't as popular? That would be a strange view given your many other posts on the topic.

 

[Perth Tiger]

I know your preference is Wellington, but what are your views on Christchurch's ability to host a full-time team? Do you think that in 30 years time we could have Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch in the NRL?

perhaps another interesting option is whether Auckland should have a second team instead of spreading to elsewhere in NZ as Gould has raised?

According to Wiki Auckland has a pop of 1.6 mil while Wellington and Christchurch are both around 400k with Wellington being slightly larger.

Would it be better fro RL to have a game every week in Auckland rather than other smaller centres?

There is a bit of Brisbane 2 verses CQ bid about it.

 

[Stallion]

Does wrong mean that I disagree with you?

With your rants. Yes!

 

[Stallion]

No, Manly and Warringah are separate clubs in union and they seem to be popular enough to pull some decent crowds off the back of their traditional brands, rivalry and suburban grounds - all from the third teir of their sport.

Something you don't think RL can replecate from the second teir for some reason. Do you think Manly and Norths aren't as popular? That would be a strange view given your many other posts on the topic.

You still don't get it. Just like so many people don't watch NSW Cup rugby-league games. People watch top.flight clubs. The union example is a local and cultural example of another code gaining traction as a result of rugby league abandoning it's supporters as witnessed in the North Sydney "execution "

 

[siv]

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/03/28/the-sydney-roosters-the-most-logical-team-for-relocation/

The Sydney Roosters are the most logical team for relocation


Tim Gore
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There has been a lot of talk recently about relocating a team from Sydney to either greater Brisbane or Perth.

It seems that the prevailing logic is that there are too many teams in the Sydney area to be viable.

I don’t necessarily agree with that logic at all. I’d rather my team die than relocate, and I don’t think I’m even close to the Lone Ranger in that view.

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I view the suggestion that a side should be relocated from the Sydney area as the type of logic that could only emanate from people with only a financial attachment to the game, or those who know that their team is in no danger of relocation.

Uprooting a side from its historical heartland risks killing a little bit more of the game’s soul.

There is a hollow and distant look in the eyes of North Sydney Bears and Newtown supporters. It’s one I never want to have. It’s one I don’t want to have inflicted on another supporter.

Billy Moore of the Bears shows his frustration during a NRL match between the St George Dragons and the North Sydney Bears at Kogarah Oval 1998, in Sydney, Australia. (Photo by Getty Images)

They don’t really care. Sure, they might watch the grand finals and State of Origin, but their passionate love for the game has gone.

However, if a side is to be relocated, there is an obvious choice: The Sydney Roosters.


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“WTF?!?!” I hear you cry.

“Not only are they the reigning NRL Premiers, they have been in seven of the last 19 grand finals. They are a foundation club. You can’t be serious!”

I’m deadly serious.

It makes perfect sense. It is completely logical. The numbers support it.

And that’s what controls the game these days: numbers.

The biggest number controlling the game is the numerical value of the broadcast deal. That dollar value influences all sorts of things including the absolute pre-eminence of State of Origin and how the NRL devises the draw for each season.

If a team is to be relocated it should be one for whom the numbers were the poorest. Not in regard to actual current success, but in regards to their actual fan-base and potential to grow that base.

The issue for the Roosters is that when you actually look at all of the numbers it is hard to see how they would not be the clear favourite for relocation.


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Memberships and crowds
The first criteria that I would look at if I was contemplating relocating a team would be the side’s actual membership. These figures show the membership numbers for each of the teams in the greater Sydney area so far in 2019, as well as for the previous four seasons.

Club Name 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015
Rabbitohs 28,394 29,189 30,220 32,813 35,311
Eels 22,724 25,145 24,501 23,779 22,824
Dragons 19,232 21,197 19,181 17,932 18,117
Wests Tigers 18,895 20,794 18,074 14,879 9,342
Panthers 18,722 20,477 20,248 20,195 19,884
Bulldogs 15,138 19,570 18,833 20,703 18,240
Sharks 14,843 15,802 15,613 14,325 10,610
Roosters 13,710 16,044 16,001 14,458 16,682
Sea Eagles 11,375 12,430 13,163 13,351 12,265
Total Memberships 163,033 180,648 175,834 172,435 163,275
Average 18,114 20,072 19,537 19,159 18,141
As you can see, the Roosters – the current NRL Premiers – have the second lowest memberships so far this year. Only the Sea Eagles are below them.

Both the Bulldogs and the Eels are having a fairly rough time of it right now results wise and they are both in front of the Roosters. The Eels have over 9,000 more members in spite of collecting the wooden spoon in 2018.

Imagine how big the Bulldogs and Eels membership numbers would be if they were experiencing the type of good results that the Roosters are.

In every season from 2015 onwards the Roosters have been below the membership average of the Sydney NRL sides.

The actual attendance numbers aren’t much better either.

Club Name Aggregate 2018 Average 2017 Average
Rabbitohs 222,367 18,531 10.903
Wests Tigers 207,487 17,291 13,551
Dragons 199,268 16,606 13,334
Panthers 171,170 14,264 12,922
Bulldogs 170,182 14,182 14,039
Roosters 159,287 13,274 15,387
Sharks 152,397 12,700 12,953
Sea Eagles 134,778 11,232 13,493
Eels 134,096 11,175 14,346
Total 1,551,032 (172,336 avg) 14,362 (avg) 13,436 (avg)

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As you can see, the Roosters’ 2018 home crowds were below the average in spite of it being a winning season.

If the Tri-Colours can’t generate large support when they are being successful, surely that casts great doubt over their long term viability in the market place.

Location and juniors
It is widely known that actual home-grown-from-juniors Roosters are as rare as hens teeth