Panthers_God said:
I'm just saying.. one on one... taking into account... basketball talent and athletic ability... TD aint that impressive.
Not wishing to be rude, but if that's your understanding of a great basketball player than I feel for you.
I hate this debate. It miffs me every time. Anybody who honestly believes that Karl Malone is a better basketball player than Tim Duncan has an inherently flawed basketball IQ.
Karl Malone was (as aforementioned)
"the best low-post scoring power forward ever." Of course, every Utah fan looks at that sentance and sees "the best power forward ever," which isn't what the article is saying at all. It's merely suggesting he is the best
scoring power forward. At what stage does being a pure scorer elevate teams to championships? Even the greatest of them all (Michael Jordan) tried that formula...and failed. Yes, Karl Malone is the greatest
scoring power forward of all time. No, that doesn't make him the best all round power forward of all time.
Anyone who believe that scoring is the transending statistic is a clown too. Tony Parker averages more points than John Stockton ever did. Does that make him a better point guard than John Stockton? Of course not. As always, scoring is a ludacris argument.
Also, basing a players ranking on talent is pathetic too. Bill Russell was a very stiff, and solidly fundamental player. Eleven rings. Elavation from team mates. Wilt Chamberlain was easily a more talented player than Russell, especially in the 1959-1960 season where he averaged 50ppg. And what happened when the Celtics and Warriors (yes, Philly were the Warriors -- not the 76'ers -- at the time) played in the Divisions Finals? You guessed it! The Celtics won 4-2 and the most fundamental center (Russell) brought the most talented center's (Chamberlain's) scoring average down by more than a third.
Tim Duncan also has the sense of the moment. I can't remember Karl Malone having that added sense across seven games in any NBA Finals series he played in. I learned pretty much everything I needed to know about Karl Malone sense for the moment when he pulled a Nick Anderson at the free-throw line in Game 1 of the 97 Finals on us. That deserved an Oscar.
Now, I'm not anti-Karl Malone. I think he had an admirable career. And believe me, nobody is more against the San Antonio Spurs and their pedantically boring basketball than I am. But Tim Duncan is head and shoulders a better all round basketball player than Karl Malone. And, in the league.
Which leads me to...
1. Tim Duncan: The best all-round player in the NBA. Period.
2. Kobe Bryant: Oh so very close to Duncan, but his attitude sucks. Easily the most talented basketball player in the NBA, and his on court killer instict could only be matched by Dwayne Wade and Steve Nash. With a better attitude he's still have Shaq and two more rings.
3. Steve Nash: Best leader in the league alongside Duncan. One of the few pure point guards left in the leage. Deserved to be MVP over...
4. Dirk Nowitzki: Seven foot, inside-outside, best pure shooting power forward in the league. I don't blame him for the Dallas choke-job against the Warriors. I blame Avery Johnson. I can't believe how quickly people sold out on Nowitzki after that series and jumped on the Lebron James bandwagon. That was funny.
5. Lebron James/Dwayne Wade: Inseperable, really. LeBron is a point guard whose playing small forward, and Wade is a point guard playing shooting guard. Both were damn lucky to get where they did. Wade was lucky to get the calls against the Mavs in last years Finals, and Lebron was lucky the East sucked and Chauncy Billups turned out to be a fruad. Switch either of them with Carmelo Anthony, and he's going to the Finals in the East.
Honourable Mentions:
Tracy McGrady: I'll never forgive him for leaving Orlando. He is so good!
Kevin Garnett: Would have made this list if I were making it in 2004 (which is the last time he took the Wolves to the playoffs by the way), but right here right now, I'd all of the above before KG.
Amare Staudamire: He'll battle Dwight Howard over the next decade for best center of the decade. Stick a fork in Yao.