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Top ten things Rugby owes to league

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It's a fact that 'rugby' (union) owes League the Rugby World Cup as well. It should have been the header of point eight.

Union don't owe us anything in regards to the World Cup. League didn't come up with the concept

We want reberations!

I think you mean reparations

Here you go

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Red Bear

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NINE: France

That's right, France was once a predominantly league territory that was downright stolen by the 15-man game.

For the most part the French wanted no truck with British amateur ideals, instead embracing the professional code wholeheartedly.

Then came the Nazis. Not the RFU. The real Nazis. After the defeat of France in 1940, the French Rugby Union worked with the German-collaborating Vichy regime to re-establish the dominance of their sport.

Union's amateur ethos appealed to the Nazis' view of sport purity. League was banned and all assets of the Rugby League and its clubs were handed over to the union.They were never returned.

Have heard about this, but geez it's not a great look for Union there.
 

Firey_Dragon

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Anyone care to explain what he means about the Roosters there ? He must be referring to the Roosters vs Warriors game this year i assume. We must have won a few against the feed or something. It was a great game, with Hoahia (sp?) not even caring about his own self-preservation by smashing into the goalposts to win the match for the Warriors in the final seconds.

Errrr... That was Kevin Locke
 

Red&BlackBear

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RU stole France but eventually we'll steal all the pacific, USA and eastern bloc European nations. Give it time.
 

Thomas

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Have heard about this, but geez it's not a great look for Union there.

Correction. French Union.

What happened in WW2 in France because of some dick-smoking wankers has nothing to do with the game I play and follow in Australia. It was disgraceful and the FFR should be held accountable.
 

Coastbloke

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Not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread, but in relation to #9 (France) there is a book called the Forbidden Game which highlights the Union's collaboration with the Vichy Govt..

After WWII League was allowed to return to France but it never got it's assets back and until very recently, was not allowed to have the word Rugby in it's name. It had to be called Jeu (Game of 13)

France used to come to Australia in the 50s to post 60,000 crowds at the SCG before falling into a sh!theap and is now only just recovering..
 
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playdaball

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What about reversing it...

Top 10 things league owes to rugby

1, Platform to 'invent' a new code called Northern Union (now RL)

2, Importance of goal kicking - Although there have been some good goal kickers throughout the years in many ways ex RU players such as Ridge, and Halligan turned 4 point tries into 6 pointers (or 5 points). No more toe hackers feature and all NRL clubs have 70% + goal kickers

3, Drop Kicks -1 pointers can be the difference between winning and losing

Struggling now ... help me out
 

playdaball

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What about reversing it...

Top 10 things league owes to rugby

1, Platform to 'invent' a new code called Northern Union (now RL)

2, Importance of goal kicking - Although there have been some good goal kickers throughout the years in many ways ex RU players such as Ridge, and Halligan turned 4 point tries into 6 pointers (or 5 points). No more toe hackers feature and all NRL clubs have 70% + goal kickers

3, Drop Kicks -1 pointers can be the difference between winning and losing

Struggling now ... help me out
 
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I love League but dislike all this anti-union attiude amonst league supporters. Plain and simply League wouldnt of exisited without Union that should be the number #1 what league owes union.

The administrators for union are alot more clued up with how business works and overall even though i can admit union is the inferior product of the two.

Rugby League can learn alot to grow the game if they put the past issues aside and move forward. Now can we please enjoy all sports and get over it.
 

RL1908

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What about reversing it...

Top 10 things league owes to rugby

1, Platform to 'invent' a new code called Northern Union (now RL)

2, Importance of goal kicking - Although there have been some good goal kickers throughout the years in many ways ex RU players such as Ridge, and Halligan turned 4 point tries into 6 pointers (or 5 points). No more toe hackers feature and all NRL clubs have 70% + goal kickers

3, Drop Kicks -1 pointers can be the difference between winning and losing

Struggling now ... help me out

Given RL was born in 1895 with a rule book and on-field game 100% the same as RU, then I presume for the sake of this argument you have to limit it to items RL adopted from RU between 1895 and today.

Which rules out Items 1 and 3 above (otherwise you would include the ball, goal posts, whistle etc).

In regard to Item 2 the accuracy in goal kicking is more to do with advances in the shape/technology of ball design, kicking tees and players being fulltime and thus having time to train. As a trend, NFL had round-the-corner "side-winder" kickers long before either of the rugby codes, and I'm not entirely sure who influenced Halligan and Ridge to adopt that style. It was in Sydney RL consistently since John Gray in the late 1970s.

The (now infamous) torso try rule appears to have been added to RL just after RU in the mid 1960s.

The five-eighth position was in NZ rugby before anywhere else in either code.

Differential scrum penalties.

Kicking tee (not sure).
 

Thomas

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Given RL was born in 1895 with a rule book and on-field game 100% the same as RU, then I presume for the sake of this argument you have to limit it to items RL adopted from RU between 1895 and today.

Which rules out Items 1 and 3 above (otherwise you would include the ball, goal posts, whistle etc).

In regard to Item 2 the accuracy in goal kicking is more to do with advances in the shape/technology of ball design, kicking tees and players being fulltime and thus having time to train. As a trend, NFL had round-the-corner "side-winder" kickers long before either of the rugby codes, and I'm not entirely sure who influenced Halligan and Ridge to adopt that style. It was in Sydney RL consistently since John Gray in the late 1970s.

The (now infamous) torso try rule appears to have been added to RL just after RU in the mid 1960s.

The five-eighth position was in NZ rugby before anywhere else in either code.

Differential scrum penalties.

Kicking tee (not sure).

Spiral lateral passes?

Wok Ryan once mentioned slide defence came from RU. Not sure about that.
 

RL1908

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Spiral lateral passes?

Wok Ryan once mentioned slide defence came from RU. Not sure about that.

Who would know? Both of those are way too narrow/specific to ever find the first - you'd need a newspaper report or film to prove it, and even then it may not be the original innovator.

The only thing I'd say about those two (and similar), is that innovations are more likely in a pro sport than an amateur one - purely as they train more, they are driven by a desire to find success (and thus keep their income going), and in the case of administrators to make the game more profitable. Not saying they were in RL first, but more likely.

In fact, that's the reason most of those innovations listed in the original article were in RL before RU.
 
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