Trescothick out of Ashes

[JJ]

So it is dormant and then it's set off by something?

I wonder what set it off in this case. I have heard them say that it was a hectic tour shedule in the past 12 months or so. I guess he could really be missing home, I know a bit about being away for long periods and it can be hard.

It can be - it's not necessarily something you're born with. But it's not really well understood - some believe it's caused by long-term chemical imbalances in the brain (the sort of thing twizzle is talking about), and in others it's clearly related to life events...

In reality it's very different for different people...

 

[Macca]

JJ, I am entitled to my opinion. I have repeatedly said that I don't understand it and am therefore speaking ignorantly, I stated that in my first post here.

Get of your high horse and join in on the discussion.

Whether it's an illness or not, it's still a weakness. Are you offended by that on behalf of Trescothick or are you just a bleeding heart?

 

[JJ]

JJ, I am entitled to my opinion. I have repeatedly said that I don't understand it and am therefore speaking ignorantly, I stated that in my first post here.

Get of your high horse and join in on the discussion.

Whether it's an illness or not, it's still a weakness. Are you offended by that on behalf of Trescothick or are you just a bleeding heart?

1. It's not a weakness
2. I am very qualified (academically) to comment in this area.
3. Your govt and ours spend millions of dollors to try and educate people on these things, and tossers who wouldn;t have a clue still trot out the "oh, he's weak" bullsh*t.
4. When your ignorant you should try and find out more, rather than make sweeping judgements with no basis in fact

It may or may not have something to do with cricket, but that's not really relevant. Thousands of people suffer from similar things, and many are too scared to say anything because they'll get a response like yours. Many lose their battle and commit suicide - it's got nothing to do with weakness.

 

[Macca]

OK, excuse me for not taking your acedmically qualified word for it.

Please explain why it is not a weakness.

 

[JJ]

I'm sorry, but if you can't grasp why a mental illness is not necessarily a sign of weakness, it's really not worth the effort. You live in your nice little macho bullsh*t world and you'll be happy

You believe what you want to believe... I hope you never have to face anything like this, or noone close to you does.

 

[Macca]

I don't how many times I have to say this. I don't understand it, to me it appears as a weakness because I have dealt with high levels of "mental stress" and have come through it.

I am asking you to explain why it isn't, if you can't just say so. Instead of telling me that I don't understand it (which I admit to) help me understand it.

 

[Tommy Smith]

I don't how many times I have to say this. I don't understand it, to me it appears as a weakness because I have dealt with high levels of "mental stress" and have come through it.

I am asking you to explain why it isn't, if you can't just say so. Instead of telling me that I don't understand it (which I admit to) help me understand it.

It isn't a weakness because given the right circumstances it could quite possibly happen to anyone. Very few people are immune to mental stress/despression. Is a woman weak because she suffers post-natal despression or is she just another helpless victim of a common mental disorder? Certainly the latter.

What about if a father loses his daughter or a child loses a parent and they suffer depression...are they weak? Of course not; only the biggest, most ignorant dickhead would say so.

And similarly for Trescothick i fail to see how it is a weakness because although his situation may be different (although rumour is his wife is suffering post-natal depression) im sure mental stress occurs due to different reasons for different people.

Marcus Trescothick's lack of footwork at the crease is a weakness. His mental stress, certainly without any real knowledge of his current state, is most certainly not a weakness.

 

[JJ]

only the biggest, most ignorant dickhead would say so.

He did, earlier in this thread :lol:

 

[Macca]

Once again for JJ, I am ignorant on this topic. I can admit that. If you don't have anything to add, in your "acedemically qualified" opinion, why don't you run along.

Tommy, I don't understand it. It doesn't make sense to me.

If we can assume this is a disorder, and as you have said, some people are immune to it, wouldn't you say that these particular people are stronger mentally?

 

[JJ]

If we can assume this is a disorder, and as you have said, some people are immune to it, wouldn't you say that these particular people are stronger mentally?

Not necessarily no

 

[waltzing Meninga]

Once again for JJ, I am ignorant on this topic. I can admit that. If you don't have anything to add, in your "acedemically qualified" opinion, why don't you run along.

Tommy, I don't understand it. It doesn't make sense to me.

If we can assume this is a disorder, and as you have said, some people are immune to it, wouldn't you say that these particular people are stronger mentally?

Macca the thing you have to consider is that a lot of these types of disorders are driven by genetic factors rather than personal experience or characterisitcs of the person. Certainly a bad combination of the two can lead to the worst types of disorders, but each individual case should be treated on its merrits.

The only person that would know if Marcus was "soft" would be the professional treating him, so I think its a tad unfair to be making generalisations without knowing the full story and medical details.

Mind you he wouldn't be the first English batsmen to return home with a Mental illness after a tour of Australia!

 

[madunit]

he was never going to be a threat to the Aussie bowlers this time around anyway, so it should be looked upon as a bonus for the poms.

 

[waltzing Meninga]

he was never going to be a threat to the Aussie bowlers this time around anyway, so it should be looked upon as a bonus for the poms.

I agree. His technique is not up to scratch to handle Australian pitches.

 

[Tommy Smith]

I agree. His technique is not up to scratch to handle Australian pitches.

Neither is Virender Sehwag's...

 

[waltzing Meninga]

Neither is Virender Sehwag's...

Sehwags technique is prettty horrific, but he doesn't dangle his bat 2 metres away from his body, or poke and prod at wide deliveries. He either takes a big dirty swing or lets the ball go, so when he gets lucky he can make a big score.

 

[Macca]

Genetic factors?

So the persons gene's are weaker?

 

[pogo]

:lol:

you are on fire pickets.....

some one put the hose on hm!

 

[Tommy Smith]

:lol:

you are on fire pickets.....

some one put the hose on hm!

You're not wrong. i dont like to throw around insults but what a narrow-minded f**kin idiot!

 

[Twizzle]

Genetic factors?

So the persons gene's are weaker?

no they hava a chemical imbalance

nothing is weaker

 

[Macca]

Hmmmmm, I understand it a little better now.

from www.depression.com

Many things can trigger debilitating depression. Feelings of depression are caused by a chemical change that affects how the brain functions.

A normally functioning brain is a giant messaging system that controls everything from your heartbeat, to walking, to your emotions. The brain is made up of billions of nerve cells called neurons. These neurons send and receive messages from the rest of your body, using brain chemicals called neurotransmitters.

These brain chemicals—in varying amounts—are responsible for our emotional state. Depression happens when these chemical messages aren’t delivered correctly between brain cells, disrupting communication.

Think of a telephone: if your phone has a weak signal, you may not hear the person on the other end. Their communication is muted or unclear.

The good news is that there are many forms of treatment that can help you cope with depression, including medications that can strengthen weak signals by raising the levels of certain neurotransmitters, or by improving the neurons’ ability to process signals. This ensures that the brain’s vital messages are delivered—loud and clear.

Poor fella. Obviously not a weakness but a chemical imbalance like Twiz says. All I wanted was an explanation. Obviously firing you boys up doesn't work. Thanks.