Trial Squads V Roosters

[mxlegend99]

57 in and Panthers lead 26-8. BMM latest try scorer

 

[MaxPower]

We lead by 8 at halftime.

Also what do people think of Cameron Ciraldo coaching under 20's? Have we given up on that level or what? Can't imagine thats he's the best man to develop players.

Besides seeing him play, what do you know about Ciraldo? Some of the best coaches were average players, some of the best players are average coaches.

 

[BxTom]

Besides seeing him play, what do you know about Ciraldo? Some of the best coaches were average players, some of the best players are average coaches.

I was thinking the same thing. The same thing in Soccer - some of the great players didn't make it as Coaches. In League look at Wally Lewis and Brad Fittler.


Tom.

 

[umina panther]

Well if Cameron tells them to man up and ran harder do they laugh in his face?

 

[mxlegend99]

Trent Barrett was coach last year, he was average at best. This year we have Cameron Ciraldo and I can't help but feel our NYc team is suffering through lack of decent coaching, and as a result the development of these guys is going to suffer.

Our focus is supposed to be on development and we're just using former players who are unproven in coaching. We could luck out and find a gem, but it feels like a huge risk to take considering our supposed focus on development. We should be throwing money at proven coaches if we're serious about development. Not necessarily first grade proven, but there's plenty of decent options who would be happy to coach our junior sides. What better way to get recognised for higher honours?

 

[BxTom]

Trent Barrett was coach last year, he was average at best. This year we have Cameron Ciraldo and I can't help but feel our NYc team is suffering through lack of decent coaching, and as a result the development of these guys is going to suffer.

Our focus is supposed to be on development and we're just using former players who are unproven in coaching. We could luck out and find a gem, but it feels like a huge risk to take considering our supposed focus on development. We should be throwing money at proven coaches if we're serious about development. Not necessarily first grade proven, but there's plenty of decent options who would be happy to coach our junior sides. What better way to get recognised for higher honours?

That is based on your dislike of him as a player or your analysis of the NYC games that you have seen with Cameron Ciraldo as coach?

Tom.

 

[murraymob]

Anyone know if Naden is goneski?

So Manu named at prop, BMM at lock.

Interesting Geyer playing 6, can't remember him play any halves in NYC.

played all his juniors in the halves they switched him at u20 level to fullback

 

[MaxPower]

Trent Barrett was average and has been replaced. It is too early to claim the team is suffering under Ciraldo - the season hasn't even begun! As for throwing money at proven coaches, we kinda just did that. Barrett is an assistant origin coach and head coach of the country team.

How about instead of judging Ciraldo on how you imagine he will perform, you judge him on his actual performance?

 

[MaxPower]

Well if Cameron tells them to man up and ran harder do they laugh in his face?

No?

 

[mxlegend99]

That is based on your dislike of him as a player or your analysis of the NYC games that you have seen with Cameron Ciraldo as coach?

Tom.

That's based on me expecting the best for our development and believing unproven coaches are not in our best interest.

I couldn't care less how shit he was as a player. I just care that our juniors are in the best hands possible. Unproven coaches aren't exactly close to that. I liked Barrett as a player, but never as a coach. I can't see how Ciraldo could be an improvement.

It's a huge step down from Brennan and Georgallis.

 

[mxlegend99]

How about instead of judging Ciraldo on how you imagine he will perform, you judge him on his actual performance?

I wasn't judging him, I was asking what other people thought of an unproven coach being used when we were supposedly focusing on development.

Unproven coaches are hardly an ideal way to develop players. He could be a gem, or he could be a waste of a years worth of development. We should be going with proven performers rather then risking a years development.

Seems too risky to.me. A years worth of player development at that age is a lot. I hope he proves to be a great coach,but im not confident our kids will reach their potential under him. I can't see him being better than Barrett.

 

[MaxPower]

I just care that our juniors are in the best hands possible.

I guess that makes you unique. After all the time and effort Gus and Ivan have put into our junior systems thus far, they obviously just couldn't be bothered looking for a decent coach for the NYC.

 

[MaxPower]

I wasn't judging him, I was asking what other people thought of an unproven coach being used when we were supposedly focusing on development.

Unproven coaches are hardly an ideal way to develop players. He could be a gem, or he could be a waste of a years worth of development. We should be going with proven performers rather then risking a years development.

Seems too risky to.me. A years worth of player development at that age is a lot. I hope he proves to be a great coach,but im not confident our kids will reach their potential under him. I can't see him being better than Barrett.

It's ok to be skeptical, but you stated the players are suffering. That is far from established fact.

 

[mxlegend99]

I guess that makes you unique. After all the time and effort Gus and Ivan have put into our junior systems thus far, they obviously just couldn't be bothered looking for a decent coach for the NYC.

Trent Barrett and then Cameron CIraldo... neither having coached before. You joke that they don't care, but risking these players futures on unproven coaches doesn't seem like the best move.

What reason do we have to believe that Ciraldo will be an improvement over the epic failure that Trent Barrett was?

It's ok to be skeptical, but you stated the players are suffering. That is far from established fact.

We won the competition in 2013 when we had a proper coach, we failed to make the top 8 in 2014 under Trent Barrett In 2015 we have gone to another unproven coach in Cameron Ciraldo.

A successful year is not impossible, but it's certainly not very likely either. Whether we are successful or not, I doubt that we have gone close to giving our Under 20's the best possible coach to develop them for first grade.

Our supposed focus on development shouldn't see us giving rookies a shot at coaching our young guys in the most important development years of their careers. We should be looking for an identifying young coaches who are good (and proven) at developing players. Not giving former players a crack at seeing how good (or shit) they are at coaching. Our development is the most important part of our future success, and I don't like seeing it in the hands of unproven coaches. I couldn't care less whether that is Cameron Ciraldo, Adrian Purtell, Andrew Johns, Trent Barrett or any player that is either a superstar or a super dud. I care that we are employing guys who are proven at coaching and developing players. Their football careers are irrelevant.

It's entirely possible we could unearth an amazing coach, but it's not the place for taking that risk IMO. There are plenty of coaches around who are proven (at these levels atleast) and would happily coach our juniors. No need to hope we can find a former player who can develop our next batch of superstars.

 

[MaxPower]

In Barretts defence i will say that the 2014 U-20's squad was very different from the one in 2013. At that level there are a huge number of factors that determine a successful season. In any case, the coaching team believes that Ciraldo is a better option that the other alternatives for this year, and i have little reason to doubt them. There are more genuine prospects rising through the grades than i have seen for a number of years, and it seems unlikely people with the experience of Gus and Ivan would be an taking unnecessary gamble with their future.

Be skeptical if you like, but withhold judgment until the evidence has been presented.

 

[chrisD]

2013 U20s was built on the back of Cartwright, DWZ, Blake, Jennings, Dunley, Smith, Moseley and Roberts. Over the length of the season Barrett didn't half that talent.

 

[soc123_au]

I recall a few years ago when Gus first came on board he said there was a plan when we signed Ciraldo, Newton, Naiquama etc. Newton on the field was pretty solid for the most part & by all accounts earnt his money off it, maybe Ciraldo was identified as having what it takes as a future coach? I am happy for him to be given a go. Brennan & Cleary will assist him when needed I imagine.

 

[murraymob]

also to be fair to barret last year they put nsw cup over u20 and started fast tracking the talent up .So he did not always have the best players available for selection.
As for the trial sounds like a good hit out for the boys .Some real positives for the coaching staff

 

[Munky]

Ciraldo was an average player who carved out a decent first grade career. His game was based of pushing his ability to the limit and obviously impressed his coaches.

IMO he is more likely to understand that not every player is capable of the freakish play and will coach the fundamentals better.

It seems to me that ex star players have troubles coaching as they don't seem to understand that the average player is not capable of doing what they were able to on the field.

 

[TheFrog]

What reason do we have to believe that Ciraldo will be an improvement over the epic failure that Trent Barrett was?

This is Under 20's, not First Grade. Presumably this appointment would have been made by Phil Gould, a man who is renowned for knowing his cattle. I'd have thought Under 20's was the perfect place for an aspiring young coach to start out.

I don't think Trent Barrett was an epic failure either. His team won 12 and lost 11, with one draw. The injury problems in the senior side would have filtered down and depleted the Under 20's. He missed the finals on for and against due to a sideline conversion after fulltime in the final game, against the eventual premiers. He didn't have quite the side that his predecessor had either. You can't win the comp every year.