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News Tristan Sailor charged with alleged sexual assault

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SBD82

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My curiosity was stirred up when the media said "sedative", but didn't mention which one.
I can understand that. But I still think you were correct in your first statement. Drip feeding snippets of the case is a classic tactic to stir up interest.

Without an admission the only thing that I’d be confident of in this case is that it’ll be messy.
 
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I can understand that. But I still think you were correct in your first statement. Drip feeding snippets of the case is a classic tactic to stir up interest.

Without an admission the only thing that I’d be confident of in this case is that it’ll be messy.
The media are experts at giving just enough information to keep the reader intrigued.

I think it will be a very messy situation. I feel sorry for whichever party has been wronged. No one should have to go through that. I wish the media wouldn't report on these cases. All they do is make things harder for everyone involved.
 

blue bags

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Falsely accused of rape: I record consent before sex


Around nine hours after saying goodbye to a woman he had just had sex with, Kayode Modupe-Ojo's life changed forever.


The police knocked on his door to arrest him on suspicion of rape.

The case went to trial last year and he eventually he was cleared.

Now he struggles to trust any woman.

He says it's totally changed his attitude towards dating.

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'Don't sleep with the drunk girl'

He gets them to record their name and their consent on his phone before sex.

Kayode took part in the BBC Three programme Is This Rape? Sex On Trial exploring views of sexual consent and whether or not people understand the law that surrounds it.

It also features Beth Cleasby - she was raped five years ago and has waived her right to anonymity.

You can watch Is This Rape? Sex On Trial on the BBC iPlayer.

Kayode's real-life story
I had a random friend request on Facebook from a woman I'd never met. We had, over the course of a week to week and a half, exchanged messages. We swapped numbers, exchanged text messages and then Skyped each other.

A week later I had driven up to the area where she lived in and we'd spent the bank holiday weekend together.

We had gone out for something to eat, checked into the hotel together.

We got back to the hotel, we got intimate. It was full and consensual.

I decided to cut my visit with her short. I did it in a very amicable way - we packed our things and I dropped her off home.

About eight or nine hours later my life changed. The knock on the door came, I asked who it was they said it was the police.

[They] said that they were there to arrest me on suspicion of kidnap and rape. Everything just froze.

I was charged and I was remanded in custody, my whole life changed.

My reaction to that was do they have the right person? Are they sure they have the right person?

I know it sounds strange but I was actually waiting for a bunch of cameras to come out, someone to say "I've got you" or one of the officers to say "We have have the wrong person".

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My relationship with women has been affected, I don't trust. It was just a horrible time when it came to dating or even being in the same room as another women who I didn't know or who I've only just met.

It has taken me a really long time to be intimate with another women and if and when that situation does arise I tend to ensure that I have recorded full consent before anything takes place.

I would ask questions like "What is your name? Are you comfortable in being here?" Just to make sure that I have proof that everything and anything that had happened, was fully consensual by both of us.

Barrister Abigail Husbands prosecutes and defends in cases of sexual offence
Abigail explains why the issue of consent can be complex legally too:

1) The legal definition of consent is whether you choose to do something. So if somebody agrees by choice then they've consented to it as long as they've got the freedom and capacity to make that choice - that's what the law says which practically speaking means that somebody's got to want to do it and choose to do it.

2) If somebody is so drunk that they're passed out drunk then they wouldn't really have the freedom or capacity to choose to do something and so they wouldn't be consenting if they were passed out drunk.

3) But there's a whole spectrum of consent, nobody has to push somebody off or scream or shout or say stop, it's not as black and white as that at all, if somebody doesn't want it to happen then they're not consenting to it.

There's help and support on the BBC's Advice pages.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34698265/falsely-accused-of-rape-i-record-consent-before-sex
 

BadnMean

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franklin2323

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The media are experts at giving just enough information to keep the reader intrigued.

I think it will be a very messy situation. I feel sorry for whichever party has been wronged. No one should have to go through that. I wish the media wouldn't report on these cases. All they do is make things harder for everyone involved.

Yep. Can't imagine it is good for either party having it in public
 

blue bags

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Tristan Sailor granted bail after being accused of 'predatory and planned' attack
By 9News Staff
5:32pm Oct 11, 2020

Tristan Sailor, the son of rugby league legend Wendell Sailor, has been granted bail as he fights explosive allegations he drugged and raped a woman in Sydney.
The 24-year-old St George Illawarra player is tonight at home with his family after walking from Wollongong Police Station with the support of his mother, Tara.
The 22-year-old will vigorously defend accusations of a "predatory and planned" attack on a woman from Wolli Creek, who he met through social media.
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Tristian Sailor, son of NRL great Wendell Sailor, has been charged with aggravated sexual assault. (Sam Mooy)

The pair had been allegedly drinking at the Beach Road Hotel in Bondi Last Saturday before taking an Uber service to the woman's Wolli Creek home.
Sailor claims they had consensual sex – but a court has been told the alleged victim was found with injuries consistent with sexual assault and a sedative, doxylamine, in her blood stream.
Text messages between the pair reveal the woman contacted Sailor the next day asking what had happened. He told her they had slept together and that he had asked for her permission.

Tristan Sailor departs Wollongong police station with mum Tara, Sunday, 11 October 2020. Photo: Sam Mooy/The Sydney Morning Herald (Sam Mooy)
Rugby league great Darren Lockyer and former Dragons Coach Paul McGregor are some of the prominent people who've provided character references for Tristan Sailor.
He has been granted bail on very strict conditions including that he not contact the woman and report to police daily.
Sailor doesn't have an NRL contract for next year. League bosses say he won't be allowed to play for any club until the charges are dealt with.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/t...d-attack/019f8d1a-1299-4626-86b6-801b2d67c01b
 

Xcalibre

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and as an innocent man so he should be. The courts determine guilt.

Is innocent until proven guilty that difficult to understand?

He is only presumed innocent. You said he is innocent as if it is fact.

It'd just be nice if people afforded the alleged victim of a horrible crime the same sort of care, but nah, the big brain legal eagles of LU are more concerned about an NRL player being arrested, and possibly being innocent. Going by their logic no-one can ever be arrested unless they're guilty. Hang on a sec...

Two concerning factors for me:

1) The alleged victim says she has no recollection or knowledge of taking a sedative. She also supposedly doesn't remember having sex.

2) Sailor admits to having sex with her and claims it was consensual. Said he got the friend's consent too (wtf?). His lawyer reckons this proves his innocence. Lol wut? How exactly he comes to that conclusion is baffling. For one, the messages aren't proof of consent, and two, (like the police say) it actually proves their case on that point, as the girl clearly was unable to give consent in her condition.

Honestly, those text messages look bad for him.
 

Wizardman

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He is only presumed innocent. You said he is innocent as if it is fact.

It'd just be nice if people afforded the alleged victim of a horrible crime the same sort of care, but nah, the big brain legal eagles of LU are more concerned about an NRL player being arrested, and possibly being innocent. Going by their logic no-one can ever be arrested unless they're guilty. Hang on a sec...

Two concerning factors for me:

1) The alleged victim says she has no recollection or knowledge of taking a sedative. She also supposedly doesn't remember having sex.

2) Sailor admits to having sex with her and claims it was consensual. Said he got the friend's consent too (wtf?). His lawyer reckons this proves his innocence. Lol wut? How exactly he comes to that conclusion is baffling. For one, the messages aren't proof of consent, and two, (like the police say) it actually proves their case on that point, as the girl clearly was unable to give consent in her condition.

Honestly, those text messages look bad for him.
You have absolutely nailed it with your second point. That is where it is all a bit suss for me. This part will go a long way into clearing him or convicting him once it is investigated and tested under a court of law.
 

franklin2323

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He is only presumed innocent. You said he is innocent as if it is fact.

It'd just be nice if people afforded the alleged victim of a horrible crime the same sort of care, but nah, the big brain legal eagles of LU are more concerned about an NRL player being arrested, and possibly being innocent. Going by their logic no-one can ever be arrested unless they're guilty. Hang on a sec...

Two concerning factors for me:

1) The alleged victim says she has no recollection or knowledge of taking a sedative. She also supposedly doesn't remember having sex.

2) Sailor admits to having sex with her and claims it was consensual. Said he got the friend's consent too (wtf?). His lawyer reckons this proves his innocence. Lol wut? How exactly he comes to that conclusion is baffling. For one, the messages aren't proof of consent, and two, (like the police say) it actually proves their case on that point, as the girl clearly was unable to give consent in her condition.

Honestly, those text messages look bad for him.

The text messages is proof of a witness. If the witness confirms that his version is correct then it helps.

Until that happens you can't say if it helps or not.
 

Knight Vision

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He is only presumed innocent. You said he is innocent as if it is fact.

It'd just be nice if people afforded the alleged victim of a horrible crime the same sort of care, but nah, the big brain legal eagles of LU are more concerned about an NRL player being arrested, and possibly being innocent. Going by their logic no-one can ever be arrested unless they're guilty. Hang on a sec...

Two concerning factors for me:

1) The alleged victim says she has no recollection or knowledge of taking a sedative. She also supposedly doesn't remember having sex.

2) Sailor admits to having sex with her and claims it was consensual. Said he got the friend's consent too (wtf?). His lawyer reckons this proves his innocence. Lol wut? How exactly he comes to that conclusion is baffling. For one, the messages aren't proof of consent, and two, (like the police say) it actually proves their case on that point, as the girl clearly was unable to give consent in her condition.

Honestly, those text messages look bad for him.
Thats right "presumed" to be innocent. He doesnt have to prove his innocence. The onus is on the prosecution to prove his guilt.

Let the courts decide.

I like the passive-aggressive reference to LU legal eagles before going on your own legal eagle rant - excellent hypocrisy.
 

Knight76

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Now I bet Sailor wishes he filmed the encounter.

Though if she was unconscious he shouldn't have gone there anyway.

Sad for Rugby League.
 

T-Boon

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If you have to check via a third party that she consents, probably don't go there hey

Maybe that's just how lads at pubs are now unlike in our day, abundantly cautious about level of intoxication.
It really isn't consistent with someone plotting to drug and get up to no good.
 

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