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TV pays top-rating NRL half as much as AFL

russ13

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Collingwood Storm said:
russ13, the fact that there is only 1 AFL game in those WA ratings for foxtel is far from surprising....in the previous television rights contract which finished at the end of '06, all games involving WA teams were on 9 or 10 either live or on 30minute delay and only shown as a replay on foxtel 3 or 4 hours after the game had finished, same went for SA

in these new rights foxtel has exclusive rights to some games meaning if WA people now want to watch games involving their teams, then they will have to get foxtel



I was aware of that. Pity Roy Masters didn't acknowledge that fact in his article.


A couple of years ago in Brisbane the AFL club was crowing (no pun) about their TV ratings on a Saturday night up against a Bronco game. They failed to acknowledge that the Bronco game was shown on 3 hour delay & had already been screened live on Fox.


Here is something I have posted before. It is the Pay TV penetration rates in Australia at June 2006.

http://www.knowfirst.info/forums/showthread.php?t=18252
Homes with PAY TV
in 000's
Syd 466.2 - 30.3%
Mel 352.2 - 23.8%
Bris 257.8 - 25.8%
Adel 96.7 - 18.5%
Per 106.1 - 17.6

Total 5 cities 1,279 - 24.9% or 5,401,000 people have Subscription TV in there homes


If would have been better if Masters gave sime mention of the potential growth in the respective city markets. Look at the tiniest markets-Adelaide & Perh have room for growth but in absolute terms it is relatively small.
 

Brutus

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eelandia said:
Without sites like this or stations like 2SM you none of this would get an airing. Ray sure as hell wouldn't comment on it.

Ray's too busy playing stupid songs or pushing his agenda against a particular coach or worrying about whether someone drank too much alcohol.

Nevermind the real issues which really restrict our code.
 

Dogs Of War

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How NRL dug itself into a hole


Phil Gould
February 16, 2007


AFTER nine years and hundreds of millions of dollars being pumped into the NRL through so-called record broadcast-rights deals, how much money does the NRL have in the bank? I am reliably told next to nothing.

OK, then. After signing its latest broadcast-rights deals and (hopefully) a new naming-rights contract with Telstra, how much does the NRL plan to have in the bank in five years? Same answer.

By way of comparison, the highly impressive AFL Futures document not only gives us 100 per cent transparency on revenue and expenditure, it also displays budgets for retained revenue in future planning accounts for hundreds of millions of dollars.

And get this: the AFL also plans to own the Telstra Dome in Melbourne by 2025. How does it do that when it provides only a handful of the top-100 pay-TV shows each year compared to the NRL, which provides 73 of the top 100?

Why is the AFL deal so much better than the NRL deal? Because the NRL is kept on an intravenous drip. It gets enough to cover expenditure and little more.

The NRL is earning far less than it should be from pay-TV, internet and mobile-phone rights. The fact the game is half-owned and almost totally controlled by News Ltd has created a huge conflict of interest when it comes to the NRL's ability to maximise revenue from all-important broadcasting assets.

The magnitude of the new AFL pay-TV rights deal announced this week has finally delivered the knock-out blow; it puts the NRL deal to shame.

In the past two weeks, Herald columnists Roy Masters and Andrew Stevenson have revealed startling facts about the finances and workings of the NRL that should have grabbed everyone's attention.

These revelations have not only highlighted the conflict of interest created by having a media company such as News Ltd half-own the NRL, but the fact that the current NRL management is either reluctant, or perhaps even powerless, to challenge it.

News Ltd clearly has the superior negotiators when it comes to formulating important contracts but there's no doubt this is also to the detriment of the game and all other participants.

News Ltd knows how much money the NRL needs to cover the cost of running its competition. News Ltd also knows there's little likelihood a rival pay-TV offer would ever be accepted. So the NRL can only ever hope to negotiate enough money to cover its operating costs plus a small profit, which is then later divided between needy recipients.

If News Ltd didn't own half the game, would the NRL be able to negotiate better deals for its broadcasting rights? News Ltd doesn't own the AFL, and the AFL pay-TV deal has smacked the NRL deal for six.

Further, the growth of subscribers to Foxtel and Austar has been significantly driven by rugby league viewers in all states of Australia. So why does the NRL get the lesser deal?

One month from the kick off to the 2007 season, the NRL hasn't finalised a naming-rights contract with Telstra because of a massive bungle over ownership of the game's intellectual property assets.

The NRL is sweating on some good news from Telstra so it can put this mess behind it. However, the new deal will be nowhere near as great as it is reported to be.

The magical figure of $90 million being touted by the NRL will also include a huge amount of contra advertising and production costs to broadcasters rather than actual money to the NRL.

I found it hypocritical for the NRL to cast aspersions on the AFL pay-TV deal by saying the AFL figure included significant advertising and production costs when the NRL itself failed to mention its own deals are constructed the same way.

The NRL is struggling to save face. The rugby league public, and many of its stakeholders, are going to take far more convincing that an administration with such conflicting interests can adequately ensure the game's potential revenues are not being substantially eroded.


I'm loving this. SMH is really doing something good for the game by questioning News involvement in the game, I wonder what crappy excuses Gallop will come up with tomorrow.
 

mark123

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Ive been telling you guys this for a while now. Way to go Roy Masters and Phil Gould!

Believe me, its been happening ever since the super league war.

Dont worry.

Our sport is not to die by them.

It will get just enough. People anylise money pretty effectively these days. They know a fair deal of what is needed....its not like they cant inject funds....the game is not spirraling down, have you noticed, its going up........but this is not a "free market" thing here.....the nrl is in a holding cell, and it gets only what it needs to sustain it......while the AFL packs on the muscle with extra food, the NRL has to wait until it can command itself again.

You cant tell me that based on everything, even with AFL rights being inflated at the moment, that the NRL is worth more.

It could be a crime, but its actually legal and its good - if frugal - business pactice.
Come on. Its a dog eat dog world.

If you ask again why should we be the dog being eaten, and not the other dog.....remember they bought us.

Let us speak again when we get a buy-back price. lol

And then, I look and I see the potential millions falling away from league.....imagine it as interest from a bank.....10 million "invested" in league correctly could return us multiple amounts in years to come, or perhaps in other non monetary ways....

how sad it is. You dont see me laugh then.
 

aids

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LeagueXIII said:
Will we ever be rid of News? How the f*** did we get into this situation?

ask the:

broncos
bulldogs
raiders
panthers
cowboys
sharks
warriors
reds
 

nqboy

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And then you can ask Arko and Quayle why they undersold the game to Nein for so long, making it such an attractive takeover target.
 

mark123

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They werent really the multi-skilled, multi-faceted, sports administrators of the modern era.

They were dinosaurs, and I dont think they had an understanding of how much power they would evuntually weild.

Perhaps the game didnt require as much to be run on back then too. All those things and more.
 

aids

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nqboy said:
And then you can ask Arko and Quayle why they undersold the game to Nein for so long, making it such an attractive takeover target.


when those 2 boofheads were running the game, the ARL was making a tidy profit, with less people going to the games, no pay tv and undersold tv rights.
adding in new teams at a planned level and reaching a high point in 94-95.

superleague left us a legacy of NEWS in the league boardroom.
and thats what hurting the leagues hip-pocket at the moment
 

McCrud

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Evidently Phil Gould did not seem all too 'concerned' about the amount of money the great game of Rugby League was receiving more then a decade ago - when ol' Arko gave up the Pay-TV broadcasting rights to Packer for nothing.

Phil would have credibility if he did not 'pick and choose' the instances in which to argue the same point. If the failure of Rugby League to extract maximum earnings from it's broadcasters is such an important issue to Phil - why didn't he feel the need to 'pipe up' and throw in his two-cents back in the early '90's? I think we all know the answer to that.....
 

Ziggy the God

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Le KooK said:
Evidently Phil Gould did not seem all too 'concerned' about the amount of money the great game of Rugby League was receiving more then a decade ago - when ol' Arko gave up the Pay-TV broadcasting rights to Packer for nothing.

Phil would have credibility if he did not 'pick and choose' the instances in which to argue the same point. If the failure of Rugby League to extract maximum earnings from it's broadcasters is such an important issue to Phil - why didn't he feel the need to 'pipe up' and throw in his two-cents back in the early '90's? I think we all know the answer to that.....

So then, what about Roy Masters? Surely you don't believe he wrote the same thing because he works for the opposition newspaper?
 

aids

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NEWS own foxsports, right?
NEWS have a controlling power within the NRL, right?

wouldn't that seem like a conflict of interest?
having key members of your board decding on how much to sell rights for the parent organisation for both, would be a bad choice, wouldn't it?


i understand what gould and mastars are saying, the NRL board do enough to support its self, but not enough to make the money it deserves.
almost like the NRL is another branch off the NEWS tree that is allocated a bugdet rather than income.
 

BroncoBuck

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It's great to watch mob behaviour evolve in this thread. Most are bagging Gallop without any reference to facts except a very one-sided SMH article.

Fact: AFL is much more popular in Oz than RL. In a 2003 survey 52% of Australians expresssed an interest in AFL. The figure for league was 39%, giving AFL a 33% advantage.

Fact: On Masters' figures AFL gets 32% more per game than RL, pretty close to the 33% advantage. (Note that this accounts for revenue from NZ.)

Fact: Using past ratings data is not useful since the new Foxtel-AFL deal is a lot different from the old one. Most importantly, it allows Foxtel to offer much better packages to SA and WA hopefully from them driving uptake.

Fact: Why would News seek to screw the NRL when it has a long term investment in the game?
 
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BroncoBuck said:
It's great to watch mob behaviour evolve in this thread. Most are bagging Gallop without any reference to facts except a very one-sided SMH article.

You call it one-sided, I'd call it incisive.

BroncoBuck said:
Fact: AFL is much more popular in Oz than RL. In a 2003 survey 52% of Australians expresssed an interest in AFL. The figure for league was 39%, giving AFL a 33% advantage.

Give me a break. LOL

Sweeney report?

From your clacker?

BroncoBuck said:
Fact: On Masters' figures AFL gets 32% more per game than RL, pretty close to the 33% advantage. (Note that this accounts for revenue from NZ.)

His point was about Pay TV, and he did the math.

BroncoBuck said:
Fact: Using past ratings data is not useful since the new Foxtel-AFL deal is a lot different from the old one. Most importantly, it allows Foxtel to offer much better packages to SA and WA hopefully from them driving uptake.

Using past data isn't useful?

So what do you use instead, guesswork?

Does the fact that there's an extra game NRL game on Fox not make a difference in your guesswork too?

BroncoBuck said:
Fact: Why would News seek to screw the NRL when it has a long term investment in the game?

Ask them, they're doing it, not us.
 

gottabegood

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The Sweeney survey, conducted by Melbourne-based Sweeney Research, measures the number of people interested in each sport not their level of interest and so does not necessarily reflect actual attendance and TV ratings. swimming is still the number one sport in Australia with 59%

BroncoBuck, so If swimming was on against Rugby League Friday night, Saturday night and Sunday, week in week out for 7 months they would slaughter Rugby League in TV ratings and live attendances....and Rugby Union would equal RL's.

Yep, the Sweeney report, don't forget to show it to your kids as a blueprint for a life lesson in creativity.
Interested....hmmm..
 

McCrud

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Ziggy the God said:
So then, what about Roy Masters? Surely you don't believe he wrote the same thing because he works for the opposition newspaper?

Oh, don't get me wrong - the issues that people such as Gould and Masters are bringing to public attention are very worthwhile.

But I think that these Fairfax cronies don't mind giving News Ltd. a big kick wherever and whenever possible...
 
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gottabegood said:
The Sweeney survey, conducted by Melbourne-based Sweeney Research, measures the number of people interested in each sport not their level of interest and so does not necessarily reflect actual attendance and TV ratings. swimming is still the number one sport in Australia with 59%

BroncoBuck, so If swimming was on against Rugby League Friday night, Saturday night and Sunday, week in week out for 7 months they would slaughter Rugby League in TV ratings and live attendances....and Rugby Union would equal RL's.

Yep, the Sweeney report, don't forget to show it to your kids as a blueprint for a life lesson in creativity.
Interested....hmmm..

Sweeney is good for a giggle.

It's also notable that the report is from 2003. Rugby Union's only banner year.
 

russ13

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Broncobuck

A major flaw in the Sweeney methodology is that it only surveys capital city audiences. Rural & regional Queensland where RL is strongest have a far bigger population than the states of SA & WA & rural Victoria. These areas have over 25% (probably closer to 30%) of Australia's population

Have a look here at the rural & regional TV figures for 2005:

http://www.thinktv.com.au/SiteMedia...ents/ceb4c187-38aa-40d8-ad70-016361a65a7d.pdf



The AFL are no where near being 30% ahead. In fact take Sydney out of their GF the NRL wins. Then their all those SOOs.

NRL states population 11 million plus;AFL states 9 million
 
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