TV rights thread part 4

[applesauce]

and as i posted it makes no difference in finals seeing all games are shown live on FTA

So the AFL finals viewers have grown by 30% in 1 year?

Anyone with Fox would watch Fox Ad Free. Potentially none of these viewers are linked to OzTam and therefore get added onto the FTA figures as a nice boost.

We should of pushed for the same, even if no FTA wanted it to begin with. The ARLC could of held them over a barrel, look at 9's debt crisis.

 

[Perth Red]

no

fair enough I stand corrected! Unusual for us to get so heavily beaten in Tv viewers for that Friday night game?

Although when I read this paragraph it makes no mention of the Fox figures for the NRL game being included in the 1.447mill?

Friday night’s brutish clash that saw Hawthorn account for Collingwood was watched by a total of 1.860 million people across the country on Seven (main and digital channels, 1.455 million) and pay-TV (451,000). It easily eclipsed the 1.447 million people who watched Canterbury beat Manly in the first qualifying final of the NRL in Sydney on Nine (main and digital channels).

 

[El Diablo]

So the AFL finals viewers have grown by 30% in 1 year?

Anyone with Fox would watch Fox Ad Free. Potentially none of these viewers are linked to OzTam and therefore get added onto the FTA figures as a nice boost.

We should of pushed for the same, even if no FTA wanted it to begin with. The ARLC could of held them over a barrel, look at 9's debt crisis.

Oztam do the national subscription TV ratings as well as metro FTA

i don't think the same homes are used for both though so it could skew figures higher when added together. dunno for sure

 

[El Diablo]

fair enough I stand corrected! Unusual for us to get so heavily beaten in Tv viewers for that Friday night game?

if you'd read the crikey article closely it actually says which game was shown nationally on 7

 

[Cumberland Throw]

However this is calculated, this result will hurt us.

Imagine 5 years of being solidly beaten in every timeslot for every game.

I can't believe the ARLC didn't consider this, and channel 7 couldn't of really refused simulcast, as they are happy with it with AFL

It was the one thing we had over the AFL, now it is gone

 

[El Diablo]

However this is calculated, this result will hurt us.

Imagine 5 years of being solidly beaten in every timeslot for every game.

I can't believe the ARLC didn't consider this, and channel 7 couldn't of really refused simulcast, as they are happy with it with AFL

It was the one thing we had over the AFL, now it is gone

no it won't

the money they received and the removal of first and last rights will be a massive win for us in the long run

don't just think short term. thank God the commission didn't

 

[Cumberland Throw]

They took short term cash over long term fan development

 

[Perth Red]

Which was probably the right decision given how broke the game and its clubs are. We need cold hard cash at the moment more than we need fan development. Sad but true and a poor indictment of the last decade of the way the game was run and abused by the people who ran it. This next 5 years should be about consolidating the finances of the game, getting the 16 existing clubs into a sustainable income/expenditure position, adding 2 new teams that are going to help the game develop and grow, getting new schools and jnr programmes up and running, helping out grass roots clubs and raising the profile of teh game through massive marketing and media presence. 2018 we should be in a position to do what is best for fans and make sure the TV covergae, game KO's, live covergae etc all match up to fans expectations.

 

[El Diablo]

They took short term cash over long term fan development

sure they did idiot

the only thing we know is Ten would have shown 4 games live in the regular season and it wasn't for the $800 million that was first reported

there has been no mention of simulcast or fixed schedule in 7 or 10's bid

there's been no detail of 7's bid released except it was less than 9's

going with 7 or 10 would also mean no bidding war next time around seeing 9 and Fox would still have first and last rights options too

tell me how less money would have helped the clubs and grass roots footy?

 

[Panfas]

They took short term cash over long term fan development

Oh for f**ks sake :crazy:

 

[Cumberland Throw]

they could of taken the cash, plus a few new media ideas.

They could of simulcast 1 game on sat night at 7.30 for example , as a token to people who dont have fox...

And had a look at what happened.

 

[El Diablo]

they could of taken the cash, plus a few new media ideas.

They could of simulcast 1 game on sat night at 7.30 for example , as a token to people who dont have fox...

And had a look at what happened.

not if Fox and 9 weren't willing to do that

i have nfi why you would assume they would seeing Fox made it clear they wouldn't agree to that

that's why Ten missed out. Fox wouldn't buddy up with them and show the other four or three games especially after losing two of their big games to Ten

 

[carlosthedwarf]

they could of taken the cash, plus a few new media ideas.

They could of simulcast 1 game on sat night at 7.30 for example , as a token to people who dont have fox...

And had a look at what happened.

Neither 10 or Nine would have agreed to simulcast. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the only reason Seven agreed to simulcast is to prevent another station getting (Nine) games and taking their #1 spot.

 

[El Diablo]

it was reported 9 first offered simulcasting for the AFL IIRC

Ten didn't bid for AFL rights

 

[carlosthedwarf]

You're right. Although it just sounds like Nine wanted to annoy Seven with their bid.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arc...ay-tv-in-afl-bid/story-e6frg8mf-1226030989408

THE Nine Network has backed a proposal to simulcast most AFL matches live on pay television, as the bidding process for the next set of broadcast rights continues to progress without any firm bids from the free-to-air television networks.

It is believed Nine managing director Jeff Browne has based his network's bid around pay-TV group Foxtel gaining the right to broadcast all nine AFL games per round live from 2012. Foxtel has lobbied the AFL to give it live rights for all regular season games, including the ability to simulcast the four matches per round shown on free-to-air TV.


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Seven and Ten remain firm favourites to win the 2012-16 rights and are far less inclined to give Foxtel chief executive Kim Williams the right to simulcast their matches, given such an arrangement eats into their audiences.


While Nine will not match Seven or Ten, the network argues the structure of its deal would result in a larger contribution from Foxtel. It is in Nine's interests to push up the price for Seven and Ten, as it would reduce the networks' ability to bid for the upcoming 2013-17 NRL rights.

 

[applesauce]

Oztam do the national subscription TV ratings as well as metro FTA

i don't think the same homes are used for both though so it could skew figures higher when added together. dunno for sure

I think they must be used for both.

The FTA ratings for both H&A + Finals have not fallen, and the FOX numbers during the regular season have increased significantly despite only 30k more subscribers.

400K+ on FOX last Friday while the FTA side still gets 1mill+ shows this.

If it was not counted twice the ratings increase for FOX would see a catabolism of FTA ratings.

 

[El Diablo]

less homes are used for sub TV than FTA http://www.oztam.com.au/AboutOzTAM.aspx

With 3,135 metro panel homes and 1,413 homes in the national STV service, OzTAM’s panel is among the world’s largest in terms of panel size relative to the overall population.

be interesting to see what happens after Oztam announced increasing numbers http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2012/09...-ratings-households-track-online-viewing.html

 

[Cletus]

I think they must be used for both.

The FTA ratings for both H&A + Finals have not fallen, and the FOX numbers during the regular season have increased significantly despite only 30k more subscribers.

400K+ on FOX last Friday while the FTA side still gets 1mill+ shows this.

If it was not counted twice the ratings increase for FOX would see a catabolism of FTA ratings.

I don't believe the numbers. I can understand that afl games are now live and Fox includes regionals but if you discount that there's something like a 20% increase in viewers compared to last year, and the trend has been negative for the last decade. I guess their crowds show people are staying at home but something else is fling on to account for that sort of increase.

 

[applesauce]

I was under the impression that FOX boxes had the capacity to track ratings... Thought FOX numbers were legit in relation to actual veiwers.

 

[Panfas]

I was under the impression that FOX boxes had the capacity to track ratings... Thought FOX numbers were legit in relation to actual veiwers.

I was under the same impression