Tyrone May

[ColdWetPanther]

But opinions around his abilities as a player, or his value to our roster, is not what this issue is about.

Stupid is as stupid does, is his rather innocuous social media post on top of his previous indiscretions worthy of being sacked? I just don’t see it.

His worth as a player is an entirely seperate debate.

I’m with you Kilkenny. He has done wrong in the past and it is debatable if we should have signed him post that.

But having given him a second chance, that chance should be genuine. The post should not be a breach of his contract (content anyway, not sure what processes are required for posting in either his contract or the Panthers social media policy), as you can’t tell someone how to feel.

That for me is worst part of all of this. The way that the media have positioned this post and the subsequent reactions are bordering on bullying.

 

[Iamback]

But opinions around his abilities as a player, or his value to our roster, is not what this issue is about.

Stupid is as stupid does, is his rather innocuous social media post on top of his previous indiscretions worthy of being sacked? I just don’t see it.

His worth as a player is an entirely seperate debate.

To be honest. Most people have accepted dickheads in the game. Punish them and move on is my thoughts.

Clubs will sign players they see value in. The NRL without getting to the bottom of the post. Or posts saw it as worthy of a fine only. Compare that to the 28 games missed with the original court case and you see NRL's thought on the seriousness of the post

 

[The_Frog]

allegedly inappropriately groped Wayne Pearce daughter according to the media reports

Only alleged by media. No charges pressed. Wayne Pearce very angry, but not indicated with whom. Seems very likely whatever transpired was consensual.

 

[Abacus]

Only alleged by media. No charges pressed. Wayne Pearce very angry, but not indicated with whom. Seems very likely whatever transpired was consensual.

FMD, how'd you come to the conclusion it was likely consensual. More likely it was all handled within the "rugby league family".

 

[The_Frog]

The post should not be a breach of his contract (content anyway, not sure what processes are required for posting in either his contract or the Panthers social media policy), as you can’t tell someone how to feel.

If the club has included a social media prohibition clause in his contract, obviously that would make it a breach. But that seems very unlikely. Even if he was stupid enough to contravene such an order, you'd think his mates would advise him accordingly.

 

[The_Frog]

FMD, how'd you come to the conclusion it was likely consensual. More likely it was all handled within the "rugby league family".

Because charges were not pressed and Wayne Pearce was angry. Do you have difficulty imagining a young woman, most likely with a few under the belt, stepping outside with an NRL star?

 

[The_Frog]

I’ve seen a lot of Panthers fans on social media that are fed up with May.

They defended the club against the other silly allegations after the grand final, but a lot of people want May gone.

It can hardly be that surprising.

A lot of people get their opinions from the media. Must hurt to think.

 

[Abacus]

Because charges were not pressed and Wayne Pearce was angry. Do you have difficulty imagining a young woman, most likely with a few under the belt, stepping outside with an NRL star?

Given the age of the girl at the time, the circumstances (he reportedly groped her to the point she was consoled by Dawn f**king Fraser), chased 16 y.o. Mitch Pearce at the after party and the ongoing animosity over the situation, I'm pretty certain she wasn't "stepping outside" with Gowie.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

I’m with you Kilkenny. He has done wrong in the past and it is debatable if we should have signed him post that.

But having given him a second chance, that chance should be genuine. The post should not be a breach of his contract (content anyway, not sure what processes are required for posting in either his contract or the Panthers social media policy), as you can’t tell someone how to feel.

That for me is worst part of all of this. The way that the media have positioned this post and the subsequent reactions are bordering on bullying.

It is harrassment of the worst kind.

The media set themselves as the moral compass of rugby league. Please.

Look at how Smith and Munster are treated after taking cocaine, being flimed whilst doing it.

How Burgess and others who have 'powerful friends' are treated. Then look at what is written about May. Wrong on too many levels, So wrong.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

FMD, how'd you come to the conclusion it was likely consensual. More likely it was all handled within the "rugby league family".

No one knows whether it was consensual or not. Only those involved.

 

[The_Frog]

It is harrassment of the worst kind.

The media set themselves as the moral compass of rugby league. Please.

Look at how Smith and Munster are treated after taking cocaine, being flimed whilst doing it.

How Burgess and others who have 'powerful friends' are treated. Then look at what is written about May. Wrong on too many levels, So wrong.

Smith, Munster, Burgess, May. All premiership winners.

Pick the odd one out.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Smith, Munster, Burgess, May. All premiership winners.

Pick the odd one out.

With some refusing to believe that postcode racism exists........

 

[The_Frog]

With some refusing to believe that postcode racism exists........

Not what I was getting at actually, although I do think what you say has some truth.

The difference is that three of them are/were topliners and considered essential to their sides, and one isn't, although the head coach may yet argue that point. And also what he pleaded guilty to is probably a tad worse than taking drugs in the court of public opinion.

 

[Kilkenny]

For the first time since the Tyrone May social media post exploded so to speak I discussed the issue with my wife.

She follows all our players on just about every platform but I never previously felt the need to discuss Tyrones social media post until a short time ago and it just hasn’t come up in our day to day conversations.

I was taken aback, her views of his post are far different to mine, albeit she has followed things things much more closely on social media than I have.

She, my wife that is, thought his post was 100% inappropriate and while she doesn’t believe he deserves to be sacked for it, she sees it in a much worse light than I previously thought worthy.

Opinions. They are just that I guess. Whose right and whose wrong.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

Not what I was getting at actually, although I do think what you say has some truth.

The difference is that three of them are/were topliners and considered essential to their sides, and one isn't, although the head coach may yet argue that point. And also what he pleaded guilty to is probably a tad worse than taking drugs in the court of public opinion.

I don’t think we can also discount that he was found/pleaded guilty. Plenty out there (particularly with Burgess) claiming it is some vendetta against the club.

That is why I sometimes hesitate on the postcode racism/institutional disparaging of the Panthers. Every clubs supporters claim that; if you read the Souths forum on here they think there is some conspiracy against the Rabbits FFS. That is not to say that the media coverage of the Panthers over the last few months has been balanced and truthful, but I think that is based on the Aussie tabloids need to paint a successful club in a negative light rather than some deep dislike for Penrith.

 

[Kilkenny]

FMD, how'd you come to the conclusion it was likely consensual. More likely it was all handled within the "rugby league family".

And it occurred almost 16 years ago when the narrative around off field behaviours were dealt with far differently To they are in today’s climate.

I think Craig would acknowledge his behaviour on that day was probably unacceptable and I’m sure he regrets it.

At the the end of the day most of us have probably done things we are not proud of, alcohol related or otherwise.

No one amongst us is perfect, we are not infallible, all capable of making poor choices or poor decisions.

 

[Abacus]

And it occurred almost 16 years ago when the narrative around off field behaviours were dealt with far differently To they are in today’s climate.

I think Craig would acknowledge his behaviour on that day was probably unacceptable and I’m sure he regrets it.

At the the end of the day most of us have probably done things we are not proud of, alcohol related or otherwise.

No one amongst us is perfect, we are not infallible, all capable of making poor choices or poor decisions.

I don't disagree with any of this, my disbelief is with any suggestion that the interaction was consensual...16 years later.

 

[The_Frog]

I was taken aback, her views of his post are far different to mine, albeit she has followed things things much more closely on social media than I have.

Did she see it in its entirety, or just the abridged version with just the court pic? Does she consider it disrespectful to women as seems to be the commonly held view?

I would call it foolish, and consider the fine by the NRL as appropriate, but no more than that.

 

[The_Frog]

I don't disagree with any of this, my disbelief is with any suggestion that the interaction was consensual...16 years later.

I've always thought it must have been, otherwise they'd have totally ripped him to shreds. And I find him dragging her outside against her will at a venue full of people a tad fanciful.

One other thing...you probably should give consideration to what you are alleging here.

 

[Kilkenny]

Did she see it in its entirety, or just the abridged version with just the court pic? Does she consider it disrespectful to women as seems to be the commonly held view?

I would call it foolish, and consider the fine by the NRL as appropriate, but no more than that.

I’m still getting over it.

Not keen at this moment to advance the discussion further.

Ill keep you posted.