Vs Roosters round 5

[captainwarrior]

I was at the game (am not sure if this has already been brought up) and I couldn't help but notice on Aubusson's try when he made the break that RTS just stood there still for what felt like an eternity and waited for Aubusson to get within 10m of him before he actually ran towards him instead of going too him as soon as he made the break. I don't know if he was actually coached to do it but if he had gone to Aubusson as soon as he went through it would have made him have to make a decision early rather than look at his options and pick one from there. By the time RTS started to chase him or run towards him Aubusson had already beaten him for pace on the outside.

Massive props to Matulino also, that Johnson try (the one off the Lillyman pass) was all down to Ben's extremely quick play the ball. It got the Roosters on the back foot instantly and they couldn't recover. It's something Ben does regularly but it's such an advantage for us.

The other two things I noticed being at the game were two stupid penalties. The first one that comes to mind is Lisone passing off the ground when we're on attack and had just made a break. It was 28-26 at that point and all he had to do was get up quickly and play the ball, we were 10m out and would have scored for all money. The other was the dumb leg pull from Kata that was a penalty to the Roosters and ultimately resulted in them scoring a try. It's just little things but gee they're brainsnaps.

I will say this on the game though, it was one of the most entertaining games I'd been too in a while. Despite the awful defence and poor ball-handling at times when we had the ball it was exciting to watch. Great to see our combinations really starting to come together, and hopefully they can continue to improve.

 

[captainwarrior]

Did not mean to post this.

 

[Blair]

After the drama and brilliance of our winning try yesterday it's time for some late, Monday night nitpicking.

I didn't like Sheck's put down, particularly in such a high stakes moment. It looked awkward and fraught with danger. Why not just simply dive, with the ball tucked firmly under your arm? Or are these guys so athletic nowadays that nothing's ever going to go wrong?

 

[Scorpio30]

After the drama and brilliance of our winning try yesterday it's time for some late, Monday night nitpicking.

I didn't like Sheck's put down, particularly in such a high stakes moment. It looked awkward and fraught with danger. Why not just simply dive, with the ball tucked firmly under your arm? Or are these guys so athletic nowadays that nothing's ever going to go wrong?

Yup Ive been fretting about this for the last two seasons...Lolohea and Kata are the main offenders...They dive over and instead of tucking the ball under the arm...sort of extend the arm with ball in one hand....Kata has previoulsy had a no try because of an error from this technique.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

100% agree. Had to be a sin bin at the very least. Can live with the penalty try no decision.

Tony Archer (refs boss) has gone on record saying it should've been a sin bin. It's official, they got it wrong.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Tony Archer (refs boss) has gone on record saying it should've been a sin bin. It's official, they got it wrong.

Still sucks though cos it's like 'we've missed that one sorry Warriors but now the sin bin is back on and if you guys hold someone back from scoring try I promise you, we will not miss it and sin bin you instantly!'. Geez thanks Tony.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

I was at the game (am not sure if this has already been brought up) and I couldn't help but notice on Aubusson's try when he made the break that RTS just stood there still for what felt like an eternity and waited for Aubusson to get within 10m of him before he actually ran towards him instead of going too him as soon as he made the break. I don't know if he was actually coached to do it but if he had gone to Aubusson as soon as he went through it would have made him have to make a decision early rather than look at his options and pick one from there. By the time RTS started to chase him or run towards him Aubusson had already beaten him for pace on the outside.

RTS must have over compensated, as in previous games when breaks made he has run at the player flat out and got stepped and they have gone under the post, I thought the technique was better, but the execution obviously needs work.

 

[jaseg]

Oh yeah the official acknowledgement still doesn't help us. That's the second (pretty sure they didn't admit fault in round 1) one we've got so far this year (in 5 games) - and they only bother to admit it when they've really messed up. At least this one didn't cost us competition points.

 

[TheDMC]

I hate league refs, they seem to be extraordinarily stupid humans.

 

[Big Marn]

Oh yeah the official acknowledgement still doesn't help us. That's the second (pretty sure they didn't admit fault in round 1) one we've got so far this year (in 5 games) - and they only bother to admit it when they've really messed up. At least this one didn't cost us competition points.

yeh, another of my pet peeves is if someone blatantly injures one of our team, that player is injured enough to leave the field, and we are now 1 short on our interchange. And what does Ref do. Thats right, im going to show everyone how big my balls are and place said player on report. That really helps the warriors out alot. Thanks Ref. So next week, when the player gets suspended for a few weeks, who benefits? Certainly not the warriors. But it might just help someone close to us on the points table if they are playing that team next and its a gun player thats out....

Hey Ref, how about dishing the punishment out on the field so the team thats copped the foul play gets the most benefit. Oh no, we dont want to make the game lopsided, that wont do it all....

The whole judiciary system is a complete joke.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Is the Bunker allowed to rule on professional fouls/sin bin?

If so, it's a sackable/droppable offence for whoever was in charge (Patten from memory). No one watching that footage could possibly have ruled that Guerra's actions weren't cynical, intentional, possibly impeded a try (although not guaranteed so no penalty try) etc.

That could have been a crucial time in the match, for us to play with one man up for a period of time. It was as clear as day, even in real time. Ignoring the bunker, there was 3 referees around that area who should've seen it clearly enough between them.

 

[ozbash]

I think the bunker only give a yes or no answer to a question.

Don't think they give recommendations.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I think the bunker only give a yes or no answer to a question.

Don't think they give recommendations.

They do more than that, they advise the ref on exactly what happened in a potential try-scoring situation so that they can decide whether penalties, drop outs or 20m restarts are awarded. They couldn't have told the ref to bin Guerra, but they could have advised him that Hoffman was clearly and deliberately held back by him, and with that info the ref should've had a clear case to bin him. Had they thought Hoffman was most likely going to score, they could've advised a penalty try.

 

[TheDMC]

If so, it's a sackable/droppable offence for whoever was in charge (Patten from memory). No one watching that footage could possibly have ruled that Guerra's actions weren't cynical, intentional, possibly impeded a try (although not guaranteed so no penalty try) etc.

Herein lies the problem with NRL interpretation of giving a penalty try.

Basically no try that isn't actually scored is 'guaranteed' and therefore NRL refs will give a penalty try basically never.

The ball might bounce funny or the attacker might have butter on their hands or perhaps they spontaneously and instantaneously combust reaching out for the ball. Whatever, how the f**k can you ever guarantee a try WOULD have been scored.

Its a dog's breakfast. If a bloke has a good chance to score a try and are 5 or less meters from the line, but doesn't get the opportunity due to a professional foul give his team a f**ken penalty try. Why on earth wouldn't you?

Lol, if I was playing and I could stop what I thought was going to be a try to the opposition by devious means and only face a penalty I would do it every time. If likely to get sin-binned I'd still probably do it! (esp if 5 minute sin bin).

Hoffman had pretty solid chance of scoring and should have been given the try no debate. And this happens a lot in the NRL - not a warriors thing. It's bull paki.

Hate to say it but Union has this completely sorted and the NRL clueless.

(Ditto knock ons)

 

[Big Marn]

Heres a proposal:
In the event a player gets injured enough to leave the field and it is decided it is foul play, the player causing the injury also leaves the field for the same amount of time as the injured player. If theres more than one player that has caused the foul play (which would be uncommon), maybe toss a coin as to who goes.

That way, the team that got affected by foul play does not have to play the rest of the game with the disadvantage of one less person on the bench.

 

[ozbash]

They do more than that, they advise the ref on exactly what happened in a potential try-scoring situation so that they can decide whether penalties, drop outs or 20m restarts are awarded. They couldn't have told the ref to bin Guerra, but they could have advised him that Hoffman was clearly and deliberately held back by him, and with that info the ref should've had a clear case to bin him. Had they thought Hoffman was most likely going to score, they could've advised a penalty try.

If that's what the ref asked...

 

[TheDMC]

Heres a proposal:
In the event a player gets injured enough to leave the field and it is decided it is foul play, the player causing the injury also leaves the field for the same amount of time as the injured player. If theres more than one player that has caused the foul play (which would be uncommon), maybe toss a coin as to who goes.

That way, the team that got affected by foul play does not have to play the rest of the game with the disadvantage of one less person on the bench.

So, hire a bunch of ninjas on tiny coin, and each game roll out one of them to take out the oppositions star player...

 

[Izz]

So, hire a bunch of ninjas on tiny coin, and each game roll out one of them to take out the oppositions star player...

If they're good ninjas they might be able to do it without getting seen...

 

[Rich102]

Forget ninjas - snipers targeting the ref. are the answer.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

If that's what the ref asked...

Listen to the bunker audio, the bunker guys tell the ref exactly what they saw. They don't simply say yes or no.