WA BEARS

[Vlad59]

or maybe it was because they wanted to reduce number of melbourne clubs and saw it as a way of killing two birds with one stone? expansion and consolidation at same time? Its no secret the NRL was keen for years for Sharks to move somewhere else.

An actual equivalent would be a current Sydney club close closing down its Sydney operations and moving lock stock and barrell to Perth. But thats not whats happening so the Swans/Lions analogies are erroneous.

Whats actually happening is Perth is being forced to 'buy' a defunct Sydney brand.

That’s exactly right. They reduced their Melbourne clubs by 2. They then attempted to merge others but failed. It is the obvious difference in the approach by the two codes and it happened well over 35 years ago. The latest word is that the clubs are unhappy about further expansion and would prefer another club either die or relocate rather than expand to 20 as the view is the player pool isn’t big enough.

 

[Vlad59]

I won't trade insults & put downs with you

Not while you have your little friend there to support you. And don’t try to take the high moral ground when 90% of your posts are designed purely to flame.

 

[Pippen94]

or maybe it was because they wanted to reduce number of melbourne clubs and saw it as a way of killing two birds with one stone? expansion and consolidation at same time? Its no secret the NRL was keen for years for Sharks to move somewhere else.

An actual equivalent would be a current Sydney club close closing down its Sydney operations and moving lock stock and barrell to Perth. But thats not whats happening so the Swans/Lions analogies are erroneous.

Whats actually happening is Perth is being forced to 'buy' a defunct Sydney brand.

Why or how the bears move to Perth is irrelevant. It's an existing brand like the swans who became accepted as local team. Gws IP was created from scratch and still hasn't achieved that.

 

[Vlad59]

Why or how the bears move to Perth is irrelevant. It's an existing brand like the swans who became accepted as local team. Gws IP was created from scratch and still hasn't achieved that.

There is a big difference which you won’t acknowledge. The swans were a total relocation and it happened 40 years ago. The bears leagues club junior catchment and pathway teams will remain in Sydney. The swans were a top grade club. The bears are not.

 

[wb2027]

I do wonder if any Sydney AFL supporters resent that they ended up with a founding club from Victoria and not something new

 

[Vlad59]

I do wonder if any Sydney AFL supporters resent that they ended up with a founding club from Victoria and not something new

40 years later who knows? The VFL didn’t want them so they had to go somewhere.

 

[Pippen94]

I do wonder if any Sydney AFL supporters resent that they ended up with a founding club from Victoria and not something new

Lol. Probably zero

 

[Pippen94]

There is a big difference which you won’t acknowledge. The swans were a total relocation and it happened 40 years ago. The bears leagues club junior catchment and pathway teams will remain in Sydney. The swans were a top grade club. The bears are not.

So if swans moving didn't reduce the number of teams in Melbourne then Sydney fans wouldn't have accepted them?! That makes no sense.

 

[Pippen94]

40 years later who knows? The VFL didn’t want them so they had to go somewhere.

So nobody right?! Lol

 

[Vlad59]

So nobody right?! Lol

I’m right. I’m always right. I thought I made a mistake once but I was wrong.

 

[Wb1234]

Lol. Probably zero

Back in 1980 afl had zero fans in Sydney so nobody would even know who the swans were

There are probably hundreds of people(tops) in wa who know who the bears are given how small the nrl is there (and take out the fifo workers probably zero)

 

[Perth Red]

So because it’s not exactly 100 percent the same as the lions / swans then it’s totally the opposite lol

As I said neither had a leagues club to put in money and fund juniors

Indeed in the lions case they replaced the identity of the local Brisbane side (ironically the bears) to be replaced by the identity of a failed melb side

Thats some stretch lol. No one said it was opposite, but you are saying its the same when it clearly isnt.
The relevance of the two are very questionable given the very different circumstances. One was a genuine full relocation of existing first grade clubs, the other is a defunct brand forced on anew club in a city that doesnt really want it.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

for the very last time

Peter Cumins
Brian Cumins
Terry Creasey
TSE Group
+ 2 not named

$30million raised for start up costs. Went back with a license fee offer. Here endeth the lesson for today.

wait so both cumins = cash converters
tse = kings owners who weren't investors only asked last minute but never official
creasey

yeah something doesnt add up here. seems like more lies

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Who gives a flying f**k.

people do hence theyre chatting about it, loser. dont like it then f**k off or is that too hard because without the posters in here your life has 0 meaning?

 

[Pippen94]

wait so both cumins = cash converters
tse = kings owners who weren't investors only asked last minute but never official
creasey

yeah something doesnt add up here. seems like more lies

Official submission had two unnamed investors?! No wonder NRL asked for money upfront!!

 

[Wb1234]

Thats some stretch lol. No one said it was opposite, but you are saying its the same when it clearly isnt.
The relevance of the two are very questionable given the very different circumstances. One was a genuine full relocation of existing first grade clubs, the other is a defunct brand forced on anew club in a city that doesnt really want it.

Pretend the game at nso is magic round then it’s a full relocation

You saying you don’t want the bears junior pathways too ?

Making the Brisbane bears change their logo to adopt a failing MELB side ? Now that’s insular

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Official submission had two unnamed investors?! No wonder NRL asked for money upfront!!

break it down its only 2 investors - super cumins bros and sensei cobra kai creasey

 

[Pippen94]

for the very last time

Peter Cumins
Brian Cumins
Terry Creasey
TSE Group
+ 2 not named

$30million raised for start up costs. Went back with a license fee offer. Here endeth the lesson for today.

The initial people on that list were already named as part of bid. That includes bid chairman & also marketing director of WA rugby league. Tse group is marketing company of Sydney Kings figure. As @SirPies&Beers points out that person came on board after official bid was submitted lol. The unnamed investors remained unnamed in official submission. What a joke!!

 

[Pippen94]

break it down its only 2 investors - super cumins bros and sensei cobra kai creasey

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Lol, neither were unnamed. Been publicly running things since atleast 2010.

 

[Canard]

I do wonder if any Sydney AFL supporters resent that they ended up with a founding club from Victoria and not something new

@Wb1234 alt, I suspect that Aussie Rules had such a minor cultural impact in NSW that in 1982 most people didn't even know it was an "existing" club.

Shit, I dont think I even knew this until I moved to Melbourne in 15 years ago. For many years I thought the Swans was a new club developed for Sydney.