WA BEARS

[Trifili13]

Not all expansion bids are comparable. Dolphins is a privately owned entity with privately owned assets which if sold, affects no one but the Dolphins.

Their value is very much determined by their assets and they have the ability to offset and use said assets as collateral should the worst happen.

You cannot compare them to WA or PNG or NZ. Commercially, they are worlds apart.

Agree public assets vs private assets. So are the Bears prepared to go as guarantor like the Dolphins to get a team that carries their brand?

 

[Trifili13]

It's not a comparison in any criteria whatsoever.
The Dolphins are an asset to the NRL, WA will be a liability.

But if they pay up they become an asset?

 

[Trifili13]

This expansion appears to be how much money PVL, the NRL and its existing clubs can get out of this, rather than some strategy that as a game we want to grow our game in a particular state or city. The NRL is simply open to the highest bidder and we don't care who pays for it. Those on here who own and run businesses would have a strategy of what they want to do rather than simply who is giving me the most money.

 

[Iamback]

If Bears want back in, why don't they stump up the shortfall that the WA government won't provide?

Will be interesting if WA fails to proceed. Will PVL also abandon the Bears or force another expansion applicant to take them on.

I would say it is to do with governance.

They want the name and colours of the Bears but want the board all to be Perth

 

[Red&BlackBear]

This expansion appears to be how much money PVL, the NRL and its existing clubs can get out of this, rather than some strategy that as a game we want to grow our game in a particular state or city. The NRL is simply open to the highest bidder and we don't care who pays for it. Those on here who own and run businesses would have a strategy of what they want to do rather than simply who is giving me the most money.

You’re ultimately forgetting the biggest component. It’s who broadcasters want to see as they are the ones who bankroll majority of the game and product.

As for your last line. If there’s opportunity there, you can do both. Grow and make a big profit simultaneously.

 

[Gobsmacked]

But if they pay up they become an asset?

No,It offsets their liabilities. In around 2 decades they'll become an asset.

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah imagine the Dolphins with decades long production line of juniors and one of the strongest grassroots infrastructure in the country needing to pay the same as a substandard non rugby league heartland that will require heavy injections of resources to bring it up to speed.

It almost like the Dolphins had all these resources and infrastructure in place with astute rugby league operators behind it prior to being awarded a license and that negated the need to invest more into their catchment.

Almost like Queensland has a state body which already invests into its grass roots. I could be wrong though..

WA govt was building that same infrastructure for the club
ns bears were supposed to be the same pathways Redcliffe have
a consortium was going to spend $30million on start up and running costs
Arlc give qrl that money to spend on grassroots

but yeh apart from that your correct lol

 

[Perth Red]

The Tasmanian afl team will lose over ten million dollars pa

The afl knew this and knew it would cost them a lot to support them

So they demanded one billion in stadium funding for two grounds and also the Tasmanian afl team get 12 million pa for ten years to cover their losses

Fumbler fans see this as good negotiation but when pvl wants to do the same it’s not

This is very puzzling

I thought you said the money was for wa grassroots, or is that another myth?

 

[Perth Red]

Anyone able to cut and paste please or is this the same article as yesterdays?

https://www.couriermail.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=CMWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.couriermail.com.au%2Fsport%2Fnrl%2Fnrl-expansion-latest-as-arlc-chair-peter-vlandys-slams-perth-speculation%2Fnews-story%2Fb6331ddb3777df55d37b7206aa681acf&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=GROUPA-Segment-1-NOSCORE

 

[MugaB]

And yet even the Dolphins had to pay for additional funds for development.

And still no license fee.

This is months old discussions on like 50 pages ago..
Simple answer is they would have been hit with it aswell, but the joint nrl clubs weren't smart or quick enough to beg the arlc to push for a licence fee, PVL told them NO, it's too late and the bids were accepted, now there's no excuse, they are all expecting licence fees from now on

 

[MugaB]

This expansion appears to be how much money PVL, the NRL and its existing clubs can get out of this, rather than some strategy that as a game we want to grow our game in a particular state or city. The NRL is simply open to the highest bidder and we don't care who pays for it. Those on here who own and run businesses would have a strategy of what they want to do rather than simply who is giving me the most money.

Why can't it be both,
you're stuck on ideas and ultimatiums that you've made up

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Here's a question for the secret society and peanut gallery:

If the WA government agrees to fund, partially or otherwise, an NRL team, what happens if that government gets voted out? (Unlikely at the next election but who knows later on).

 

[Iamback]

WA govt was building that same infrastructure for the club
ns bears were supposed to be the same pathways Redcliffe have
a consortium was going to spend $30million on start up and running costs
Arlc give qrl that money to spend on grassroots

but yeh apart from that your correct lol

Except you are your lot don't want a Sydney club having any say in how the Perth side of things are run

As opposed to Redcliffe and Dolphins being the exact same club

 

[The_Wookie]

Here's a question for the secret society and peanut gallery:

If the WA government agrees to fund, partially or otherwise, an NRL team, what happens if that government gets voted out? (Unlikely at the next election but who knows later on).

Contracts with the Government apply to subsequent elected Governments for the life of the contract. The 'Government" remains the contracted body regardless of the party in charge.

 

[Iamback]

Here's a question for the secret society and peanut gallery:

If the WA government agrees to fund, partially or otherwise, an NRL team, what happens if that government gets voted out? (Unlikely at the next election but who knows later on).

Is that any different than if Mr Pawnbroker cuts off the funding?

If only the ARLC had a former premier who knows how Governments work...

 

[MugaB]

Is that any different than if Mr Pawnbroker cuts off the funding?

Already happened before he got his hands on a licence
Remember this...

 

[The_Wookie]

Is that any different than if Mr Pawnbroker cuts off the funding?

If the lawyers do their job, theres bound to be penalty clauses for breach of contract regardless of Government or private entity. Or at the very least the contract will specifiy what happens in the event either party fails to deliver on their end.

EG. The AFL contract penalises the Tasmanian Government if it doesnt deliver certain things in varius milestones of the license journey.

 

[Iamback]

Contracts with the Government apply to subsequent elected Governments for the life of the contract. The 'Government" remains the contracted body regardless of the party in charge.

Katie Jones and Peter Beattie would be advising the ARLC of this if they aren't doing the discussions themselves

 

[The_Wookie]

This is months old discussions on like 50 pages ago..
Simple answer is they would have been hit with it aswell, but the joint nrl clubs weren't smart or quick enough to beg the arlc to push for a licence fee, PVL told them NO, it's too late and the bids were accepted, now there's no excuse, they are all expecting licence fees from now on

If this is to be believed, then why didnt any of the bidding parties know? You cant just ask people what license fee they WANT to pay. No one will offer something they dont have to.

 

[Wb1234]

I thought you said the money was for wa grassroots, or is that another myth?

For the afl it’s to cover their (Tasmanian devils) losses for ten years then it becomes an afl problem

The amount of money they extorted out of the Tasmanian govt is almost criminal

They are billions in debt and running a large deficit and have lumped the state with huge costs for an afl team during a cost of living crisis

When it comes to taxpayer money there is no bigger grifter than the afl

What league gets in comparison is insignificant

Good on pvl for trying though