WA BEARS

[Perth Red]

I'd be interested in reading that. Link?

There is no link as it’s bs. The agreement to pay travel was made at inception of the club in 1992, original travel was covered in the budgetting until the ARL added the extra side at the 12th hour added a major unbudgeted cost Imposition. .

 

[Vlad59]

There is no link as it’s bs. The agreement to pay travel was made at inception of the club in 1992, original travel was covered in the budgetting until the ARL added the extra side at the 12th hour added a major unbudgeted cost Imposition. .

That sounds exactly how they would behave. The ARL at that time was hostile to the game outside its traditional borders. The fact they even allowed Perth in was a minor miracle. That attitude is still reflected in the funding to ‘affiliated states’ till this day. And it’s also reflected by the attitude of the peanut gallery here now.

 

[Vee]

There is no link as it’s bs. The agreement to pay travel was made at inception of the club in 1992, original travel was covered in the budgetting until the ARL added the extra side at the 12th hour added a major unbudgeted cost Imposition. .

Yeah, that was my point.

Interesting he hasn't replied...

 

[T-Boon]

They want the biff back

The only team sport that still has biff is baseball

 

[Wb1234]

There is no link as it’s bs. The agreement to pay travel was made at inception of the club in 1992, original travel was covered in the budgetting until the ARL added the extra side at the 12th hour added a major unbudgeted cost Imposition. .

So wait the story isn’t the arl imposed travel costs at the last minute the club always knew about it

It’s they added the travel costs of one extra team and that extra 50k would’ve sent the club broke so they had to go to super league

I smell bs

So Arko was right all along

 

[Iamback]

Yeah, that was my point.

Interesting he hasn't replied...

He won't. People have been calling out his BS of late and asking for links, he just ignores it and makes up more BS

 

[T-Boon]

there’s a couple posters here giving proper info I think. they post and it gets lost in the endless sea of boomers and other posters (including one liar) rubbish unfortunately.

if these couple posters with info are legit then there is some gems being posted and brushed aside. here’s hoping west aussie bears get up!

I’m the liar.

 

[T-Boon]

NZ has a population of 4million and is a great tourism destination.
RL should have a second Auckland team (should have happened years ago).
Also should be an option for the magic round.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

There is no link as it’s bs. The agreement to pay travel was made at inception of the club in 1992, original travel was covered in the budgetting until the ARL added the extra side at the 12th hour added a major unbudgeted cost Imposition. .

Interesting. Considering you didn’t even live in Australia when the Western Reds were conceived or played in the ARL as by your own admission you only got into them when they were already in Super League correct? Your words straight from the interview you were on.

By the time you did get into Perth Reds majority of their original administration during Western Reds days had already left and they had new management for SL.

I’m not having a crack at you or anything but there is a considerable amount of information you wouldn’t have any access to, as again by your own admission you weren’t even around to be able to access it and if you did by chance have access to the information years later you’d only know half the story as discussed to you by whoever was involved with Reds at the time.

I just doubt a fresh off the plane bloke from Hull gets immediate contacts from people involved in WARL or Western Reds franchise. I’d assume it would have been years if not a decade or so later at a minimum. Apologies if I’m wrong here.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

That sounds exactly how they would behave. The ARL at that time was hostile to the game outside its traditional borders. The fact they even allowed Perth in was a minor miracle. That attitude is still reflected in the funding to ‘affiliated states’ till this day. And it’s also reflected by the attitude of the peanut gallery here now.

I had a good chat to Tony Crawford a couple weeks prior to Christmas break. He spoke pretty honestly about the circumstances surrounding funding to “other” states rugby league programs between 2014 to 2020.

By his own admission the game just didn’t have the cash in the coffers to be able to spend more than it already did. It would’ve diluted the cash being spent on rugby league heartland where player resourcing for NRL is pulled from.

Since Covid however he believes the cash in coffers has grown exponentially and we should start seeing it result in vastly more funding to affiliated states. Timeframe? Unsure. Individual state governments also providing funding? Yes, if there’s something in it for involved parties.

 

[Iamback]

I had a good chat to Tony Crawford a couple weeks prior to Christmas break. He spoke pretty honestly about the circumstances surrounding funding to “other” states rugby league programs between 2014 to 2020.

By his own admission the game just didn’t have the cash in the coffers to be able to spend more than it already did. It would’ve diluted the cash being spent on rugby league heartland where player resourcing for NRL is pulled from.

Since Covid however he believes the cash in coffers has grown exponentially and we should start seeing it result in vastly more funding to affiliated states. Timeframe? Unsure. Individual state governments also providing funding? Yes.

This is why they are pushing for govt involvements now over private ownership

 

[Vlad59]

I had a good chat to Tony Crawford a couple weeks prior to Christmas break. He spoke pretty honestly about the circumstances surrounding funding to “other” states rugby league programs between 2014 to 2020.

By his own admission the game just didn’t have the cash in the coffers to be able to spend more than it already did. It would’ve diluted the cash being spent on rugby league heartland where player resourcing for NRL is pulled from.

Since Covid however he believes the cash in coffers has grown exponentially and we should start seeing it result in vastly more funding to affiliated states. Timeframe? Unsure. Individual state governments also providing funding? Yes, if there’s something in it for involved parties.

That’s great news. Back in 2011 the total funding for affiliated states was just over $3 million. That included Victoria. The NT had a historical debt due to financial mismanagement by a previous CEO which was deducted from the annual grant making effectively running league there untenable despite high demand. I ran tassie rugby league on a budget of $20000. It was made clear to us we should be grateful for what we got. Needless to say the game didn’t make much progress.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

That’s great news. Back in 2011 the total funding for affiliated states was just over $3 million. That included Victoria. The NT had a historical debt due to financial mismanagement by a previous CEO which was deducted from the annual grant making effectively running league there untenable despite high demand. I ran tassie rugby league on a budget of $20000. It was made clear to us we should be grateful for what we got. Needless to say the game didn’t make much progress.

It’s a positive step forward that’s for sure. States comps aren’t in the best shape but the tools to get them there are starting to be available now.

BTW your Bears disdain stems from your role in the Northern Eagles doesn’t it? Assuming you had a bad experience in trying to calm down two clubs in that merger.

 

[Vlad59]

It’s a positive step forward that’s for sure. States comps aren’t in the best shape but the tools to get them there are starting to be available now.

BTW your Bears disdain stems from your role in the Northern Eagles doesn’t it? Assuming you had a bad experience in trying to calm down two clubs in that merger.

Nothing do with me. I am based in Tassie and follow the sharks. I’ve accepted that the Perth side goes ahead with the bears. I’m very happy for Bears fans. I don’t think it’s a good model but who cares what I think? Just get the bloody side there and if it revitalises the north Sydney juniors as well then good!

 

[Centy Coast]

Nothing do with me. I am based in Tassie and follow the sharks. I’ve accepted that the Perth side goes ahead with the bears. I’m very happy for Bears fans. I don’t think it’s a good model but who cares what I think? Just get the bloody side there and if it revitalises the north Sydney juniors as well then good!

Northern Eagles ?, were you involved Vlad ?, geez that would have been a decent club if it was still around today. Colours, players were all directed towards Manly, that’s why Central Coast residents eventually turned away.

 

[Éamonn an Chnoic]

That sounds exactly how they would behave. The ARL at that time was hostile to the game outside its traditional borders. The fact they even allowed Perth in was a minor miracle. That attitude is still reflected in the funding to ‘affiliated states’ till this day. And it’s also reflected by the attitude of the peanut gallery here now.

If you read about the Super League war (the Mike Colman book is fantastic for anyone who hasnt read it), and go into it with an open mind on who was right or wrong, ARL does not come out looking good at all…

The 1 year contracts for clubs was insane and was the sole reason clubs were able to jump to SL (like, do those 1 year contracts for the teams you are trying to get rid of, but why do that with the clubs you want to keep?!?)

the addition of 4 expansion clubs in 1 year! (They could have had good news stories across a decade, and instead they turned that into a crisis of quality)

the demand that expansion clubs pay for travelling teams?!

And after all of these f*ck ups, they thought they could screw with Murdoch and the clubs would stay loyal? A bunch of f*ckin idiots….

 

[Vlad59]

If you read about the Super League war (the Mike Colman book is fantastic for anyone who hasnt read it), and go into it with an open mind on who was right or wrong, ARL does not come out looking good at all…

The 1 year contracts for clubs was insane and was the sole reason clubs were able to jump to SL (like, do those 1 year contracts for the teams you are trying to get rid of, but why do that with the clubs you want to keep?!?)

the addition of 4 expansion clubs in 1 year! (They could have had good news stories across a decade, and instead they turned that into a crisis of quality)

the demand that expansion clubs pay for travelling teams?!

And after all of these f*ck ups, they thought they could screw with Murdoch and the clubs would stay loyal? A bunch of f*ckin idiots….

That’s a good summary of it all. Super league was about egos and money. The ARL and Murdoch were as bad as each other

 

[Wb1234]

Yeh the arl who had grown rugby league such that it was the number one sport in Australia were doing a bad job

Adding teams from Perth, Auckland and North Queensland was dare I use the word …. Visionary

Murdoch was a cretin and the clubs that went to super league were traitors to the game

Clubs like the dragons manly and roosters could’ve all tried to save their own skin like the selfish clubs but they put the games heritage first

Under news Ltd ownership the game was dieing

It’s only under a strong arl leader the game is growing again

Packer was no better than Murdoch he stabbed Arko in the back as much as bullfrog

Thinking you could have a strong rugby league competition in Australia without souths and St George was sheer lunacy

Souths didn’t do any mergers and they are back better than ever

Ditto for the bears.

People who hate that the nrl is Sydney centric are cretins

Afl is Melbourne centric

The 3 teams Pvl has added will see the game growing for decades

International football is going to be huge

 

[Red&BlackBear]

If you read about the Super League war (the Mike Colman book is fantastic for anyone who hasnt read it), and go into it with an open mind on who was right or wrong, ARL does not come out looking good at all…

The 1 year contracts for clubs was insane and was the sole reason clubs were able to jump to SL (like, do those 1 year contracts for the teams you are trying to get rid of, but why do that with the clubs you want to keep?!?)

the addition of 4 expansion clubs in 1 year! (They could have had good news stories across a decade, and instead they turned that into a crisis of quality)

the demand that expansion clubs pay for travelling teams?!

And after all of these f*ck ups, they thought they could screw with Murdoch and the clubs would stay loyal? A bunch of f*ckin idiots….

Ironically, Steve Mascords book paints a slightly different picture.

 

[Vlad59]

Ironically, Steve Mascords book paints a slightly different picture.

Mascots is a good guy. He offered Tassie rugby league a lot of support. I got to have a beer with him at a book launch. Loved the game. Loves rock music.