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Wallabies Struggling

Hari Kari

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well eddie can't use away game excuse when they get flogged in australia.

south africa making them look silly.

why don't they use a backline to attack instead of just one out running into traffic jams?
 

aussies1st

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I don't know what is going on with the Wallabies attack. Whenever SA were in the Wallabies 22 they always looked like scoring. When Aus were in the same end they never looked like scoring unless they made a break from a counter attack. This style of game won't win the World cup.
 

Mal Meninga

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It seems that their is no strike power, no aggression in this Wallabies team. It's like their afraid to get stuck into the opposition, not willing to scrap for every ball, which is shown in the horrendous lineouts where Botha somehow gets a nail to every Wallaby throw and rattles Vickerman and Sharpe. Fourie and De Villiers aren't even that good centres, one is a fullback the other is a highlight reel specialist(his intercepts don't hide the fact that he's pretty much all brains, not much ability) and yet they look world class whenever the Wallabies come to play against the Bokk's.
 

aussies1st

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Those 2 centres just have size. De Villers has got talent though. What I don't get is how NSW lineout can be so dominant but when it comes to the Wallabies they lineout is all over the place. We basically had the NSW backrow with Sharpe as other lock.

I feel Sam Norton Knight should be put in the 10. He has the talent and we need to find a backup to Larkham. Giteau just hasn't performed in the 10 jumper lately, maybe he is suited to 12. Rathbone was good at 13 so I would leave him there. Wing if Gerrard could find the form from 04 then we would have a good wing combination with Tuqiri on the other side.
 

lockyno1

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The coach needs to go! OMG the inside balls are SO PREDICTABLE it is not even funny. We need to blood players otherwise we have no chance of doing well in the World Cup. Gregan, Lyons, Young, Vickerman, Cannon, Flatley need to go. Bring in some new blokes. I would like to try Rogers at 10 before we go to Norton-Knight. Giteau is not a 10, he is a 12! Fava for Lyons, Dunning for Young, the Queenslander for Cannon (don't know his name well), Hewat for Flatley. Time to blood. Time for Eddie Jones to go!
 

Stuart

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I think our major problem is our lack of test level options at flyhalf. There are no test level flyhalves in Australia outside Larkham and when he is missing it shows. The options we have are..

Flatley: solid 12 but not a flyhalf, at test level very average at 10 (apart from a few games in 2003). doesnt bring enough creativity or organisation.

Giteau: againa much better 12. Individually brilliant he does not as yet have the ability to step up and organise an attack and create opportunities for other payers, as illustrated at the brumbies when playing at 10.

Norton-Knight: A handful of super 12 games, most at fullbak. Not ready to play test rugby yet, although is a promising player of the future. Needs at least one super 14 season leading a team from flyhalf IMO.

Makay: was good with NSW this super 12 season, probably the next in line if Giteau and flatley are injured. A solid player but not a world class flyhalf by any stretch of the imagination.

The rest are all nowhere near ready, Donnelly, when presented the chance at super 12 level has been poor, definately not ready for tests, Kurtley Beale, only 16 with very little experience.

When Larkham is in the side the wallabies look world class, when he is not, they look average. What we need is another flyhalf option. I dont think any of the options mentioned above are anywhere near ready to do half the job he does for us at test level ust yet. I think all the talk about Larkham not being the player to lead us into the 2007 world cup is bulls**t, when he is gone it is obvious how much he does for the wallabies and that none of the other options are anywhere near ready to take over.
 

Hari Kari

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lockyno1 said:
The coach needs to go! OMG the inside balls are SO PREDICTABLE it is not even funny. !

it's all their attack was, one out crap.

the few times someone broke the line he ended up isolated and a turnover was forced, no support.

that young bloke went nearly all the way on his own and they still couldn't score from the next play.

could you see the all blacks not scoring from a break like that?
 

Scott

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If Matt Dunning is getting selected for Australia, then that sums up their problems!
 
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Stuart, good summary of the situation at 10, Locky in the previous post suggested Rogers at 10. Could he do it, would he have the flair and skills for that position?
 

SpaceMonkey

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Hari Kari said:
that young bloke went nearly all the way on his own and they still couldn't score from the next play.

could you see the all blacks not scoring from a break like that?
Actually given the number of tries the ABs bombed last week I can see them not scoring...
...the difference with the ABs though is that they make so many breaks that even if they only finish off less than half of them they still rack up the points, whereas the Wallabies hardly break the line in the first place.
 

Stuart

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CanadianSteve said:
Stuart, good summary of the situation at 10, Locky in the previous post suggested Rogers at 10. Could he do it, would he have the flair and skills for that position?

I think it would probably be worth gambling with him there. He looks best when he is running at the line, has decent passing skills and couldnt do much worse than Flatley. Giteau needs to be at 12 IMO because its where we will see him at his best.
 

lockyno1

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CanadianSteve said:
Stuart, good summary of the situation at 10, Locky in the previous post suggested Rogers at 10. Could he do it, would he have the flair and skills for that position?

He can't be worse than the way Giteau is playing. Plus he is a better goalkicker than Giteau. I am a huge Matt Giteau supporter but even I can not see him being a great no 10! Rogers has to be given a go! We have nothing to lose! We will get smashed by the All Blacks so why not at least try new players!
 

Mal Meninga

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Any first five has to organise, and I see Rogers as a ball runner, not an organiser nor distributor. Giteau played inside balls the whole game and it wasn't opening holes, so why couldn't he have tried something different? IMO it's coaching, EJ probably thought that of all teams the Bokk's post defense may have had a few problems which is ridiculous, any coach would've had a word to say spread it after seeing the players get so hammered in tight.

Their will be no world class 5/8's playing for Australia till Beale plays for the Wallabies one day. None of the other options apart from Larkham and Flately never pose a threat, Mackay will look pedestrian at test level, and Norton Knight... who even knows if he's S14 quality.
 

Stuart

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He will only play if Flately, Giteau and MacKay are out. If any of those guys recover in time they will be picked ahead of him. I havent seen any of Daruda, hopefully he's up to it!!

If he is picked it wont be the first time someone with no or very little super 12 experience has been called into the test team under Jones, the same thing happened with Giteau.
 

Johns Magic

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Stuart said:
The rest are all nowhere near ready, Donnelly, when presented the chance at super 12 level has been poor, definately not ready for tests.

What a load of tripe.

Donnelly has performed admirably just about everytime he's played for the Waratahs. The way he got cut from the team after one or two poor performances was disgraceful.

He would handle test rugby with aplomb.
 

aussies1st

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I hope Daruda turns out to be another Giteau but in the 10 jersey. I would have thought Norton Knight was a lot closer to Larkham (in fact basically a twin) but the younger version. However I don't really mind as long as we have lots of 5/8s before the world cup.

I also hope Tatafu Polatanau and Ben Robinson are blooded during the end of season tour. Michael O'Connor seems to rate these guys as good front rowers and thats what we need. Bill Young just isn't cutting it anymore.
 

lockyno1

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Johns Magic said:
What a load of tripe.

Donnelly has performed admirably just about everytime he's played for the Waratahs. The way he got cut from the team after one or two poor performances was disgraceful.

He would handle test rugby with aplomb.

Donnelly is what you call "solid first grader". That does not mean that he can't do well, but geez he is NOWHERE near test standard!
 

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