Warrior Mateo's blast at old tribe

[lingard]

I think you're right lingard perhaps rather than 'agenda driven posters' they should be called 'those who can't post without adding their own value judgement'...doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely though :lol:

(and i certainly don't exempt myself from that category as much as I try to not to add my own value judgements)

Sounds like you have an agenda. :lol:

 

[strider]

you're such a judgementalist haynzy

:lol:

 

[Casper The Ghost]

I am only interested in protecting and instilling the morally correct values of a culture I grew up with, one which is dying off very fast all around. I have no ties to the old board or the new board but I have ties to the club I love and these bonds are strong enough that I will do the best I can with whatever I have access to, to use as tools to help protect the club I love. I do not want to see the club I love being ruined by Orwellian Double/Triple speak, liars, deceivers, etc. With the men I got to know involved in the Parramatta Rugby League club/s, their word and handshake was sufficient until death. Integrity, honesty, selflessness, etc, are some of the many virtues-of-love values I stand for. Over the years, many political parties have come and gone and the outcome of all these changes (gradualism) we have seen is the destruction of small businesses, i.e. small corner stores, groceries, milk bars, (local/community families) being consumed by Woolworths, Coles, etc. This reflects the "values" being followed. We don't want the parramatta leagues club being dominated by a few with the values of making money and business being put before the players, staff and fans. All political parties pitched their best "looking good" (come up smelling like roses) image before the voters" but this did not stop GST (for example) finally coming in, as will carbon taxes shortly. All I am saying is WATCH OUT for the "LOOKIN GOOD" pitch coming from 3P and others and go with those who live for the traditional values (the Mick Cronin / Jack Gibson Handshake culture) which our great club blossomed out of.

 

[bartman]

Fair enough Lingard and Haynzy.

I only know what I read in the papers ( :sarcasm: ) and read on this forum.

Distance aside, I don't think that puts you in any different position to anyone that posts on here (myself included).

But the way you describe the board as "these clowns" and "these cowboys" certainly makes it seem as though you don`t want to hear any other side of things - which makes it appear that you have an agenda. Yeah?

I have an opinion that I don't shirk away from expressing (due to the vibe of this forum since the previous elections also being one where people don't shirk away from expressing either side of an issue). Sorry if it appears that I'm not interested in reading other differing opinions through posting my own as they stand. (My own opinion has changed since two years ago I might add, and is subject to change again as information comes to light.)

And the only reason I give a hoot about that, is that there will be an election next year and a lot of less decerning people might be influenced by emotional rhetoric. In the end, I shouldn`t really care, but I`ve seen such a lot of this sort of thing over the years that it really irks me.

There definitely was a lot of emotional rhetoric on here prior to the last elections. I too was probably partly influenced by that and by the emotional coercing of certain posters here (much to my regret now). I don't see that posting my opinion now is any different to how various people posted theirs with all the emotion about Fitzy two years ago. I don't claim to know any inside information, or sources within the club - I just question what I like to call the Emporer's New Clothes approach. If people are influenced (like I was two years ago) and come to regret it, then we just learn through our experiences to be more careful the next time.

I think you're right lingard perhaps rather than 'agenda driven posters' they should be called 'those who can't post without adding their own value judgement'...doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely though :lol:

(and i certainly don't exempt myself from that category as much as I try to not to add my own value judgements)

Haynzy, after witnessing the schemozzle on these forums that was the election period of almost two years ago... I don't see the point of posting opinions and discussion without value judgement.

I don't claim to try or pretend that I'm judgement free regarding the direction of the club and performance of the Board (I'm clearly quite the opposite!), but I don't try and claim my opinions are facts (because like everyone else, I don't know any facts).

I see it just as a balance of how various people went about their posting two years ago, in a coercive and influencing manner while claiming to be neutral or judgement-free.... All I'm posting is my current opinion when relevant matters are being discussed, and I just see it as balancing out differing opinions that have (and are) being voiced in similar fashion by others.

At the end of the day it's all fun - I just see this place as an electronic version of an animated pub discussion - I don't hold any grudges, and often forget what was said the next day :lol:. (And sure I used to be less animated five years ago, but I'm not alone where election matters are concerned.)

 

[lucablight]

I'm willing to bet that the people who still maintain it was a good idea to let go of Mateo would have let go of Hayne at the end of 2008 if he was off contract because of the poor season we had.
I remember some of the regulars on here were ready to let go of Fui at the time as well. People have such short memories.

 

[Haynzy]

That's cool Bart but can you see how your incessant value judgements alienate those trying to be balanced, as much as those who wave 'the other side's banner' do too?

The way I tend to approach this place when it comes to this kind of talk is that there are always those who spout the extremes of both sides of an argument..the truth is usually somwhere in between.

At the moment, when it comes to regular posters, you and Casper seem to be the most vocal of the anti people while Del and Jake seem to be the most vocal of the pro extreme...
In my opinion none of you are trying to be very balanced. That's fine, each to there own.
Out of you guys, Del is the only with the connections to the people in question whereas the rest of you are relying on hearsay and observation from afar. That doesn't make Del right though it just puts things in perspective.

There are plenty of posters who sit back a bit and try to be more balanced.
If we're talking about a pub discussion, I know who I'd be talking to and who I'd avoid.

 

[parra pete]

I'm willing to bet that the people who still maintain it was a good idea to let go of Mateo would have let go of Hayne at the end of 2008 if he was off contract because of the poor season we had.
I remember some of the regulars on here were ready to let go of Fui at the time as well. People have such short memories.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

That's cool Bart but can you see how your incessant value judgements alienate those trying to be balanced, as much as those who wave 'the other side's banner' do too?

The way I tend to approach this place when it comes to this kind of talk is that there are always those who spout the extremes of both sides of an argument..the truth is usually somwhere in between.

At the moment, when it comes to regular posters, you and Casper seem to be the most vocal of the anti people while Del and Jake seem to be the most vocal of the pro extreme...
In my opinion none of you are trying to be very balanced. That's fine, each to there own.
Out of you guys, Del is the only with the connections to the people in question whereas the rest of you are relying on hearsay and observation from afar. That doesn't make Del right though it just puts things in perspective.

There are plenty of posters who sit back a bit and try to be more balanced.
If we're talking about a pub discussion, I know who I'd be talking to and who I'd avoid.

By misleading and distorting the truth it reveals your true agenda,.... I am not into anti people, I am into exposing a culture that is superficial and harbours liars and deceivers. To me, the extremes are not between people but between those who speak the truth and are honourable and those who are dishonourable and lie. I don't want to have liars and deceivers leading this club Haynzy. This is the basis of my argument. What about you.. do you want liars and deceivers leading the club, those who are dishonourable and insincere??? Making things personal is just a dust storm to distract anyone including yourself from facing the truth (facts).... do you want liars and deceivers leading this club into the future????

 

[fish eel]

By misleading and distorting the truth it reveals your true agenda,.... I am not into anti people, I am into exposing a culture that is superficial and harbours liars and deceivers. To me, the extremes are not between people but between those who speak the truth and are honourable and those who are dishonourable and lie. I don't want to have liars and deceivers leading this club Haynzy. This is the basis of my argument. What about you.. do you want liars and deceivers leading the club, those who are dishonourable and insincere??? Making things personal is just a dust storm to distract anyone including yourself from facing the truth (facts).... do you want liars and deceivers leading this club into the future????

Ah yes, the liars and decievers. Runs all the way to the top. 3P are responsible for so many ills in the world, aren't they Arthur?

 

[Casper The Ghost]

That's cool Bart but can you see how your incessant value judgements alienate those trying to be balanced, as much as those who wave 'the other side's banner' do too?

The way I tend to approach this place when it comes to this kind of talk is that there are always those who spout the extremes of both sides of an argument..the truth is usually somwhere in between.

At the moment, when it comes to regular posters, you and Casper seem to be the most vocal of the anti people while Del and Jake seem to be the most vocal of the pro extreme...
In my opinion none of you are trying to be very balanced. That's fine, each to there own.
Out of you guys, Del is the only with the connections to the people in question whereas the rest of you are relying on hearsay and observation from afar. That doesn't make Del right though it just puts things in perspective.

There are plenty of posters who sit back a bit and try to be more balanced.
If we're talking about a pub discussion, I know who I'd be talking to and who I'd avoid.

What makes things balanced is recognising liars and deceivers and those who are not. Once we are clear about who are the liars and who are not we are balanced and clear and we can see the path that lays before all of us. I refuse to walk down the path laid by liars. I will walk down the path set by those who are sincere and honourable and their strength does not require them to manipulate others to feather their nest.... i.e. politicians kissing babies or presenting looking good board reports designed to make others overlook their terrible failings. How many political battles has this country undertook with politicians waving all kinds of looking good statistics and promises to win over those they can tempt so they can get into power only to see this country going down the drain hole gradually over the past 38 years!!! What about the Parramatta Leagues Club & Football Club, have you not noticed things are getting worse over the past 22 years or so???? Only honourable sincere men and women with their love for serving the community will help turn things around. If we do not rout out all the liars and deceivers from all sides, this club will lose the very essence, its soul, the culture that had many of us be those 30 to 45 years Parramatta Eels supporters.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Ah yes, the liars and deceivers. Runs all the way to the top. 3P are responsible for so many ills in the world, aren't they Arthur?

See, you are clearly revealing yourself as one of those blind Freddie's, who do not read and fully comprehend where the writer is coming from. I say it again, I am not a pro Dennis Fitzgerald supporter nor am I a 3P supporter. If you have been reading you will know why. Your comment stinks of "its a conspiracy"...." pro DF camp supporter". I have never stated anywhere in this forum or elsewhere that I am a pro DF supporter. The previous post explains everything else.

 

[fish eel]

What makes things balanced is recognising liars and deceivers and those who are not. Once we are clear about who are the liars and who are not we are balanced and clear and we can see the path that lays before all of us. I refuse to walk down the path laid by liars. I will walk down the path set by those who are sincere and honourable and their strength does not require them to manipulate others to feather their nest.... i.e. politicians kissing babies or presenting looking good board reports designed to make others overlook their terrible failings. How many political battles has this country undertook with politicians waving all kinds of looking good statistics and promises to win over those they can tempt so they can get into power only to see this country going down the drain hole gradually over the past 38 years!!! What about the Parramatta Leagues Club & Football Club, have you not noticed things are getting worse over the past 22 years or so???? Only honourable sincere men and women with their love for serving the community will help turn things around. If we do not rout out all the liars and deceivers from all sides, this club will lose the very essence, its soul, the culture that had many of us be those 30 to 45 years Parramatta Eels supporters.

LOL, what makes the 39th year ago so much better Artie?

 

[fish eel]

See, you are clearly revealing yourself as one of those blind Freddie's, who do not read and fully comprehend where the writer is coming from. I say it again, I am not a pro Dennis Fitzgerald supporter nor am I a 3P supporter. If you have been reading you will know. Your comment stinks of its a conspiracy.... pro DF camp supporter. I have never stated anywhere in this forum or elsewhere that I am a pro DF supporter. The previous post explains everything else.

I never said you were a DF supporter Mr Cristian.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

LOL, what makes the 39th year ago so much better Artie?

The culture..... The effect on Parra Pete reveals this change in culture as it has with many thousands of Eels supporters.

I never said you were a DF supporter Mr Cristian.

Then your comments would be directed differently.... I say the options are between liars and those who don't.... you indicate the options are 3P or "those from the conspiracy"... this is indicated by the slant you reveal in your writing (refer to your previous posts regarding this debate over 3P). Let me ask you this...

Do you want liars and deceivers leading this club or honourable. sincere men and women who do not lie and have the best interests of the eels community at large, now and for the next 10 generations to come????

 

[fish eel]

The culture..... The effect on Parra Pete reveals this change in culture as it has with many thousands of Eels supporters.

But why?

What happened in that 39th year?

Did Satans remote control take over?

Then your comments would be directed differently.... I say the options are between liars and those who don't.... you indicate the options are 3P or "those from the conspiracy"... this is indicated by the slant you reveal in your writing (refer to your previous posts regarding this debate over 3P). Let me ask you this...

Do you want liars and deceivers leading this club or honourable. sincere men and women who do not lie and have the best interests of the eels community at large, now and for the next 10 generations to come????

No Arthur, you are just taking your own interpretation.

I mentioned 3P because you have been one of the most vocal posters critical of the board in recent months. The alternative to 3P may be anyone who sticks their hand up for elections.

You, and nobody else, just you drew Fitzy into my post.

 

[bartman]

That's cool Bart but can you see how your incessant value judgements alienate those trying to be balanced, as much as those who wave 'the other side's banner' do too?

I can Haynzy... but everyone's version of "balanced" is their own to make. There is no absolute true "balance" in any matter that is subject to opinion - it's a cliche, but each to their own? I've even posted a link that enables people to ignore my posts in the other (Report) thread if people are too alienated by "incessant" discussion.

At the moment, when it comes to regular posters, you and Casper seem to be the most vocal of the anti people while Del and Jake seem to be the most vocal of the pro extreme...
In my opinion none of you are trying to be very balanced. That's fine, each to there own.

I'm not saying I'm being balanced with my opinion, more my opinion balances out the vocal opinion of others. Your analysis of who is being vocal at the moment is fair enough, but it has been different people in relation to the election/Board people over the past almost two years. I'm just saying that it all balances out in the end.

Out of you guys, Del is the only with the connections to the people in question whereas the rest of you are relying on hearsay and observation from afar. That doesn't make Del right though it just puts things in perspective.

I don't know a thing about Del other than his claims to know better than others because of some undisclosed inside knowledge. As you said it doesn't make his view "right", and I merely seek to question and provide an alternative view, with no claims to inside knowledge ever.

There are plenty of posters who sit back a bit and try to be more balanced.
If we're talking about a pub discussion, I know who I'd be talking to and who I'd avoid.

Good on you H. And each to their own.

The forums draw from a broad church of fans all here for different reasons and experiences (and these also change over time). There is a mechanism here to ignore people's posts if you want your own individual balance to not include the full range of views, or if you prefer not to have to read certain people's views. I might even put it in my signature ;-).

 

[Haynzy]

That's fine Casper but how do you know you've been lied to and deceived and who is doing the lying and deceiving?
Surely you don't accept the word of Raaaay and the newspapers!

I get that you see yourself as a champion for the truth (although your version of the truth seems a tad fluid if your website is anything to go by) but we're also in a situation where we need to move forward with someone.
This lot seem to be an improvement on the last lot..hopefully after the next lot of elections we will continue that improvement.
If you think jumping up and down at every media report and screaming foul helps then good luck to you.
I'd rather discuss issues that will take this club forwards.

 

[Haynzy]

I can Haynzy... but everyone's version of "balanced" is their own to make. There is no absolute true "balance" in any matter that is subject to opinion - it's a cliche, but each to their own? I've even posted a link that enables people to ignore my posts in the other (Report) thread if people are too alienated by "incessant" discussion.


I'm not saying I'm being balanced with my opinion, more my opinion balances out the vocal opinion of others. Your analysis of who is being vocal at the moment is fair enough, but it has been different people in relation to the election/Board people over the past almost two years. I'm just saying that it all balances out in the end.


I don't know a thing about Del other than his claims to know better than others because of some undisclosed inside knowledge. As you said it doesn't make his view "right", and I merely seek to question and provide an alternative view, with no claims to inside knowledge ever.


Good on you H. And each to their own.

The forums draw from a broad church of fans all here for different reasons and experiences (and these also change over time). There is a mechanism here to ignore people's posts if you want your own individual balance to not include the full range of views, or if you prefer not to have to read certain people's views. I might even put it in my signature ;-).

:lol: I'm not going to ignore you Bart because for the most part I enjoy your input... The anti 3P stuff is just getting bit boring, especially as it is repetition rather than discussion.

 

[bartman]

No worries Haynzy. Thanks for the heads up that my opinion is getting boring to you.

But if people are taking me up in discussions of my opinion (when posted in a relevant thread) - or seeking my opinion by name in new threads - then it might get a whole lot more boring over summer, and you might need that link ;-).

 

[Haynzy]

Cheers mate, appreciate the thought :lol: .