Warriors salary cap investigation

[El Diablo]

They were not found out in 01. They were found out in 02 and lost points in 02. The Warriors have been found out in 06 and therefore I believe should lose points in 06.

they weren't found out in 06. the season hasn't started.

 

[Cammo]

and can someone please explain why they would take a cut if they'll lose points anyway?

there's no incentive to.

Of course there is an incentive to, if they don't take a pay cut and get the team back under the cap then there is a chance the NRL can deregister them. They would knowingly put a team over the cap and the NRL have stated previously that this can result in them deregistering the player.

Another extreme situation, but not entirely implausible.

 

[douglasallen91]

The Warriors had been told that were getting a full audit soon. I wonder if they would have opened their books had this not been the case.

Either way it is still a good thing that the new admin is owning up to the breaches, but one must wonder if they would have done so if no audit was taking place.

that is how the new management found the ommisions when they was preparing for the audit, its not like they was sitting their knowing about it already (talking about the new management not mick watson).

 

[douglasallen91]

Anyone else thinking about how dumb this sides administration are?

well since they have left for new jobs they have got away with it.

 

[El Diablo]

Of course there is an incentive to, if they don't take a pay cut and get the team back under the cap then there is a chance the NRL can deregister them. They would knowingly put a team over the cap and the NRL have stated previously that this can result in them deregistering the player.

Another extreme situation, but not entirely implausible.

i bet the NRL would lose in court if they tried to do that.

 

[Cammo]

they weren't found out in 06. the season hasn't started.

The next season since they were found to have breached the cap is the 06 season. Therefore they should lose the points for that season.

 

[douglasallen91]

im agreeing with everything sir knight has been saying. Why on earth should they get away with it?

whos saying they should get away with it, the argument is on the punishment!


the enquiry is happening talk about trial by media.

 

[Cammo]

i bet the NRL would lose in court if they tried to do that.

I doubt it. They were able to deregister Dane Tilse without any charges laid against him, so I see no reason why they wouldn't be able to deregister a player for knowingly putting their team over the salary cap.

 

[douglasallen91]

QUOTED FROM USER 'Rhythm and Stealth' in the Warriors forum


"From radiosport
Former Warriors marketing manager Dean Lonergan believes the new Warriors administration must have know about salary cap breaches when they took on their new roles.

Lonergan says the current batch of excuses does not wash with him, in fact he is calling for the resignation of long time chairman Maurice Kidd.

He says to blame former CEO Mick Watson is too convenient.

Dean Lonergan says first of all, why was Watson given the latitude by the board to do those deals.

Lonergan says Mick Watson is an easy scapegoat, because the board and chairman can just push the blame on him and say they have got rid of the problem.

He says the current executives can not be very good in their jobs if they have only just discovered salary cap breaches.

Herard Lonergan talk this morning and he said he thinks that they spotted this breach back in October but didnt make it public or tell NRL officials till now becos it would jeopardise season ticket sales. And he said Maurice Kidd should resign becos he knew about all of this and he is trying to pass the buck on to Mick Watson"


Sounds to me like the admin may have known about it and didn't come forward immediately.

dean lonegan must have left the warriors in a bad way as he is always putting sh*t on the warriors on radio sport

 

[El Diablo]

The next season since they were found to have breached the cap is the 06 season. Therefore they should lose the points for that season.

so that should of applied to Dogs in 03 too.

 

[Cammo]

that is how the new management found the ommisions when they was preparing for the audit, its not like they was sitting their knowing about it already (talking about the new management not mick watson).

We don't know for certain how much the new management knew or didn't know. What I find hard to believe though is that the board knew nothing about it and said nothing to the new managment.

The same excuse was used by the previous Bulldogs board (they claimed they knew nothing about the rorts and it was all managements doing) and I didn't believe them either.

 

[Cammo]

so that should of applied to Dogs in 03 too.

Why? The Dogs had already copped their points loss. The Warriors have not copped one yet.

 

[I Bleed Green]

If they're stripped of points would that mean they'd start the competition on -6 points?

:|

That'd be weird.

 

[El Diablo]

Why? The Dogs had already copped their points loss. The Warriors have not copped one yet.

but they haven't started the season with a team over the cap yet either. the Dogs did.

 

[Cammo]

but they haven't started the season with a team over the cap yet either. the Dogs did.

The Dogs didn't start 03 with a team over the cap. They took pay cuts during the off season and Schubert declared the team ok for season 03.

They were found to have breached the cap in 02 and copped points loss in 02 even though some of the breaches were for previous seasons.

The Warriors have been found out in 06 and should cop a points loss in 06 even though the breaches were for previous seasons.

If fines are the only thing handed down for systematic cap rorting just because the season hasn't started yet then I think that sends a very bad message, and one the richer clubs will take advantage of.

 

[Murphdogg1]

As a warriors fan i agree that points should be deducted, fair is fair the dogs got deducted points, so we should also, at least then we can move on

if they are gunna take points off they could do it at the end of the regular season but tell everyone now they are gunna do it

so the warriors start on 0 points end up on say 18 points but lose 6 to end up on 12

that would be better than starting on -6, psychologically it could make a bit of a difference

anyway im pissed off, we finish near the bottom of the table 2 years in a row then get found for serious salary cap breaches, fat lot of good that did us! LOL

 

[weasel]

Tbh, I can't see how a team as bad as the warriors ended up over the salary cap. Even in their halcyon days of 02/03 their squad was nowhere near as impressive as modern day rosters of other clubs.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Tbh, I can't see how a team as bad as the warriors ended up over the salary cap. Even in their halcyon days of 02/03 their squad was nowhere near as impressive as modern day rosters of other clubs.

Remember once a team stops performing sometimes you've got to pay players more to hang around :?

 

[El Diablo]

The Dogs didn't start 03 with a team over the cap. They took pay cuts during the off season and Schubert declared the team ok for season 03.

and if the Warriors players do the same i see no difference

They were found to have breached the cap in 02 and copped points loss in 02 even though some of the breaches were for previous seasons.

they lost the points they'd gained with an illegal team. if the Warriors take a cut their team isn't over the cap.

The Warriors have been found out in 06 and should cop a points loss in 06 even though the breaches were for previous seasons.

Incorrect

the Warriors have been found out before season 06, not in.

If fines are the only thing handed down for systematic cap rorting just because the season hasn't started yet then I think that sends a very bad message, and one the richer clubs will take advantage of.

they'd be taking a huge risk in the hope they get busted between when one season ends and the next starts.

can't see it happening.

 

[Cammo]

and if the Warriors players do the same i see no difference

The difference being that the team has not copped the points deduction punishement yet.

they lost the points they'd gained with an illegal team. if the Warriors take a cut their team isn't over the cap.

The Warriors have fielded an illegal team as well. The fact that the season is now over means it should start from the next.

Incorrect

the Warriors have been found out before season 06, not in.

Therefore their points punishment runs into the season about to start. You can't do it on a season already finished. It needs to happen in the current season or the next one about to be played.

they'd be taking a huge risk in the hope they get busted between when one season ends and the next starts.

can't see it happening.

There is no risk of being found out if they own up to it before the season starts knowing all they will receive is a fine and not be disadvantaged in any other way for the season.