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We could've had Wayne Bennett as coach, we opted for Ivan Cleary

Bob

Juniors
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You need to read the preceding commentary. Gus backed Bennett not Cleary. WTF was our idiot board thinking?
This can be easily fixed, next time we have board elections put your name forward and run for a spot on the board, then you can have your say at board level
 

franklin2323

Immortal
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Some facts would be nice. They had a CEO with no experience and no idea. A benefactor bouncing cheque’s and you say it was Bennett’s fault. The man who is the most successful coach in the NRL, ever. A man famous for continually bringing juniors through the system and producing rep players and you say he destroyed the junior pathways. Do you have any facts to support this?

Yep even at Dogs the board ultimately got them into that mess
 

Pomoz

Bench
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This can be easily fixed, next time we have board elections put your name forward and run for a spot on the board, then you can have your say at board level
But it can’t Bob be easily fixed can it? How would I get elected without extensive lobbying and networking? I know how it works and I don’t have the energy to do it. Obviously you don’t like me criticising the CEO and board, but the outcome deserves ridicule. We can’t all be on the board, but we are all entitled to our viewpoint.
 

Bob

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But it can’t Bob be easily fixed can it? How would I get elected without extensive lobbying and networking? I know how it works and I don’t have the energy to do it. Obviously you don’t like me criticising the CEO and board, but the outcome deserves ridicule. We can’t all be on the board, but we are all entitled to our viewpoint.
I don’t have a problem with you criticising the board, i don’t see the benefit of it as I can’t change it, as for me I wouldn’t have selected Ivan either, this is all on Dave O’Neill, he met with Ivan, he made an offer without board approval, I think the rest of the board were painted in a corner, but that’s my opinion only as I have no inside info, I wouldn’t have gone Bennet either as I feel he wouldn’t play well with Gus
I myself would have let Ciraldo have 12 months with a couple of good assistants, I like what he did with the 20’s and the Italian side in the World Cup
 

BxTom

Bench
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I mean seriously, how could any person with a brain choose Cleary over Bennett? I’ve never met our CEO, but I’ll be sure to speak slow when I do. He is clearly stupid.
I think our 'esteemed' CEO wanted to be in the limelight and get his mate back to Panthers - I suspect that having Cleary snr back is a political power move for the CEO. Males Gus look like a loser to boot. I hope we can get rid of him (CEO) pronto
 

Kilkenny

Coach
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Gus brought in Griffin and then backed him forever, squandering out premiership window.

Anthony Griffin was not the right appointment but at the same time our squad achieved what it was capable of achieving. I really don’t think Bellamy or Bennett or any other coach could have guaranteed us a premiership we were a couple of of quality players short and still are regardless of who our coach is.
 

The Realist

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What kind of shitfight of a club is being run here, where the CEO makes decisions behind the back of a high profile GM? Someone is going to come out of this looking like a complete fool and the Panthers club is being caught in the crossfire. Our brand and goodwill as everyone's 2nd favourite team has already been trashed and for what?

One thing is for certain, the current board are hopeless their time is surely coming to an end.
 

The Realist

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Anthony Griffin was not the right appointment but at the same time our squad achieved what it was capable of achieving. I really don’t think Bellamy or Bennett or any other coach could have guaranteed us a premiership we were a couple of of quality players short and still are regardless of who our coach is.

This is complete and utter tripe. Bellamy is the kind of Coach where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Very few of his players are stand outs. He has a habit of turning rejects into good players, Decent players into very good role players etc etc. He coaches a very competent spine and always seems to mold the young players along very well. If they aren't up to scratch with their attitude or take instruction poorly he is ruthless and drops them, or turfs them out altogether. When they lose a 'star' player either to retirement or to another club he always seems to have at the very least a competent replacement ready. If we had Bellamy over the last 5 years there is no way we would not have featured higher. Probably at least a GF or two.
 

Iafeta

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and you worked out all of this between Mid March and July when Penrith were 'recovering' from ME era and the salary cap was in a mess.

This is the same bloke who took the Warriors in 2011 to their first grand final. You know that no one has had as good coaching numbers with the Warriors since.

Yet he can't coach.


I'll correct myself the 3rd best coach of the warriors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Warriors#Coaches

Be honest you just don't like the bloke for whatever reason, and your undies are twisted because you Like Griffin.

Correction. Second grand final.
 

Aliceinwonderland

First Grade
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Some facts would be nice. They had a CEO with no experience and no idea. A benefactor bouncing cheque’s and you say it was Bennett’s fault. The man who is the most successful coach in the NRL, ever. A man famous for continually bringing juniors through the system and producing rep players and you say he destroyed the junior pathways. Do you have any facts to support this?




Fact Bennett ripped the guts out of Newcastle's good developmental pathways system. Up until this time Newey have always developed their own superstars. Generally the NRL team was made up of at least 40% local juniors.

Fact: Bennett refused to engage with the local community. Refused to allow the team to develop the previous strong relationships with the community.

I live in the area. I've seen it first hand. Seen loyal Newey members very upset by this. When the going got too hard. The money dried up. Bennett cut and run. Fact.

How many more facts do you need.
 

Woosh

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Fact Bennett ripped the guts out of Newcastle's good developmental pathways system. Up until this time Newey have always developed their own superstars. Generally the NRL team was made up of at least 40% local juniors.

Fact: Bennett refused to engage with the local community. Refused to allow the team to develop the previous strong relationships with the community.

I live in the area. I've seen it first hand. Seen loyal Newey members very upset by this. When the going got too hard. The money dried up. Bennett cut and run. Fact.

How many more facts do you need.

What an absolute load of rubbish.
One of the first thing Wayne did when he came to us was to setup the High Performance Unit.
It might have pissed some juniors off because the unit was designed to concentrate on developing the best local talent because not every local junior is going to play first grade.

https://www.newcastleknights.com.au/news/2014/04/24/high-performance-knights/
This focus on the junior ranks continues today through the High Performance Unit, a program set up by coach Wayne Bennett to provide opportunities for top range emerging players to learn their craft.

The HPU program may only be two years old, but the Knights are already benefiting with four SG Ball players stepping up to the Holden Cup (Under 20s) ranks last season.

It's a success that's also had a flow-on effect to the entire Club in 2014 with all three junior teams excelling.

The Under 20s are currently on top of the Holden Cup table after seven rounds, while the Harold Matthews (Under 16s) team recently clinched the Club's first minor premiership in the age division in over a decade.

The SG Ball team are also performing well having qualified for the finals.

While there's no doubting the junior ranks are flourishing, this wasn't always the case prior to the introduction of the HPU program.

And the stats don't lie.

In the six years of the NYC competition, the Knights have produced just five NRL players.

They have also only had two players make the NYC Team of the Year.

Something had to change and it's why the HPU program was implemented to help develop local players with a national focus.

Program coach Troy Pezet has no doubts the entire Newcastle Club will benefit from their continued focus on the junior ranks.

"When Wayne came here, he saw the need for a bit of a change in regards to what we were doing with our junior rep program," he says.

"Everywhere he has been starting at the Broncos he had a lot of success turning local juniors into first graders and likewise at the Dragons.

"So he noticed that we weren’t going to turn 25 players out of Harold Matthews and SG Ball into NRL players.

"It's why we needed to identify the best players in each age group to give them extra training in leadership skills and mental challenges.

"That’s not going to guarantee us NRL players, but it will give us a chance to come from a wide pool and narrow it down to a group we see as potential leaders."

One of these players was outside back Sione Mata'utia, who has gone from the SG Ball and Holden Cup to the full-time NRL squad within 12 months.

Mata'utia is a great example of how the High Performance Unit can prepare players for the demands of the first grade competition.

He was part of a SG Ball side that won only four games in 2012, yet still managed to rise up the ranks thanks largely to the HPU program.

"We made it because of the training that they did after the SG Ball season," Mata'utia says.

"As the season finishes, normally people would just go back to club footy and just train twice a week.

"But with the HPU, we’d train one heavy session at the start on Monday and some fitness and then it just keeps developing your skills.

"That’s where that program helped me more, because fitness wise I wasn’t up to speed with the 20s.

"So I thought doing this program really helped me."

While you can never completely prepare a player for the rigours of the NRL competition, Mata'utia says the HPU program does a good job of using practical examples to explain the expectations required.

"In the HPU program they took us to one of the 20s games and we just studied what they do well and what they do bad," he says.

"Then we just tried to convert it into our game and try and correct our faults in the same way.

"So it was a good experience and the training was really good.

"The system that they’ve got there is something that’s successful for players and it’s shown, because a lot of the players in the 20s now went through the HPU."

Mata'utia believes it's vital for the Club's junior players to partake in the HPU program if they have any desire to succeed at the highest level.

"It’s really important, because I believe it all starts with the juniors," he says.

"Once you teach the juniors what the first grade guys are doing and getting them to buy in as they get higher in the ranks, they’ll pick up the same mindset.

"Juniors are keen to just soak it all in and that’s the best time to hit them with information because they’ll just take it in and put it into their game.

"So it’s important you educate the juniors, so when they get to the 20s they are full of knowledge and become smarter players."
 

Aliceinwonderland

First Grade
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What an absolute load of rubbish.
One of the first thing Wayne did when he came to us was to setup the High Performance Unit.
It might have pissed some juniors off because the unit was designed to concentrate on developing the best local talent because not every local junior is going to play first grade.

https://www.newcastleknights.com.au/news/2014/04/24/high-performance-knights/


So Bennett was Newcastle's saviour was he ? Enjoy that.

I wonder why did he resign then ? (no I don't want an answer to that either)

Bennett's time at Newey was a disaster. No question.
 
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