Wear 'n' tear: Final curtain falls on Simmo's rep career

[Big Tim]

Der man!

He needs a good side kick and depth in the area. He is playing on a knifes edge after all!

We have only 3 people to play NRL halves in this club. Injuries to just 1 can ruin an entire season for the rest of the team. Most clubs have some kind of back up depth even if its nothing flash. I don't think we have any?

It doesn't have to be a super super star, but a solid match winner will do.

They let that one go to Penrith.

let???

Strange interpretation of let mate.

 

[Serc]

:lol:

That list shows me two things,

1) The obvious being that you do more or less need one of the best players in the comp in the halves, fair enough

2) In recent years, the amount of manufactured 5/8ths and, to a lesser extent, Cronk at halfback is becoming increasingly obvious. Even premiership winning teams can't have a Ricky Stuart at halfback and a Laurie Daley at 5/8 any more. They have to either have a competent player to support a quality player, or a superplayer that makes a very ordinary player (eg Shane Perry, Rudder etc) look decent and help them perform their role competently.

PS: Be careful Apey, we managed to get him to be relatively quiet (for about a week now) on his favourite halfback, don't try to break him out of it!

 

[otori]

Thats an interesting list isn't it. :lol:

Since 1997 , the only competitions won by teams without 2 top line halves have been teams featuring Andrew Johns, Darren Lockyer, Brad Fittler... 3 of the greatest players of all time.

Its unrealistic to expect Mullen to do it in the halves alone.

And Cronk and Inglis are top line halves? Forget Dureau, Mullen/Rogers discuss that because you won't have a logical argument with the other combination. By the logical extension of your argument, the Dragons cannot win the comp this year without signing someone because Soward cannot carry Hornby who has no playmaking skills. No side has an awesome 1,6,7,9 at the moment. The amount of people that said Brisbane couldn't win with Perry was astronomical but the other three players in Berrigan, Lockyer and Hunt carried his workman attitude to the game.

Also, on a side note of the list posted before. I'm almost 100% that Lockyer was still at fullback for 2000 (he converted 2004) and Sherwin/Anasta was the Bulldogs combo for the 04 final.

 

[perverse]

Also, on a side note of the list posted before. I'm almost 100% that Lockyer was still at fullback for 2000 (he converted 2004) and Sherwin/Anasta was the Bulldogs combo for the 04 final.

yep, that's correct. i knew that 04 combo didn't look right. thurston was either on the bench or left-right-out.

you don't need 2 top line halves to win a premiership. it doesn't hurt your chances.. but it's a dead set myth that you need them. i would argue that a strong forward pack is the most important element.

 

[reginald.p]

Yeah Lockyer was at fullback in 2000 but we all know he played at 5/8 in attack. Yes Thurston started on the bench and Sherwin started at halfback in 2004....so what? Sherwin Anasta and Thurston were all much better players then Dureau anyway.

But my point is if you put bias aside for a minute, Dureau/Mullen would be the worst halves combination to win a premiership in the last 15 years that was my point. The only way we could win a premiership with dureau at halfback is if he was surrounded by 10 other rep players like Shane Perry was in 2006 or Sherwin was in 2004. But guess what we don't have 10 rep players we have two, to be honest i think you guys are kidding yourselves if you think this team can win the comp.

 

[Joker's Wild]

They say the key to good teams is 1,6,7,9.

You have named 3 of them. We have 3 covered fine.

I'm saying the matchwinner that could prove to be the difference at this club is another 6 or 7.

Simple.

Bird, Carney... Hell even some of the gun young halves around in the Under 20's.

Anyone with class will do to complement what we already have. Spending big money on a winger ( uate ) is sure not going to do it.

Saying we won a comp with Rudder etc, which is what some people may try and say, is all well and good, but he played outside the greatest player of all time, and all respect to Mullen, but while a great footballer, he can't carry the team by himself in the halves forever.

Not if we are going to be serious about winning a competition.

Mullen doesnt have to win games by himself, he has Gidley to support him. We have won more games this year than most of the other sides in the comp, against more fancied halves, with 1 superstar (try and tell me Mullo is not a superstar) and 1 solid FGer.

You blab on about Johns, Fittler and Lockyer being the only ones capable of stearing teams to premierships with dull half partners but everyone in the RL community, barring yourself it seems, rates Mullo as the best half in NSW. He is well and truely up there in the match winner stakes even with a bung shoulder.

As for signing the likes of Carney or Bird, no way do I ever want to see either of those turds in the red and blue. You carry on about how hard it is for Newcastle to attract top line players but your happy for us to sign 2 of the biggest perennial douches in RL history. Who the fug would want to play with them let or loan have to socialise with those types? I think you may be underplaying the importance of team dynamics and these 2 do not fit the image any club wants to project.

BTW nice change from saying we dont have any match winners to saying we need depth to cover our match winners. Most coaches would kill to have a player that could side step as well as you.

 

[Karmawave]

Mullen doesnt have to win games by himself, he has Gidley to support him. We have won more games this year than most of the other sides in the comp, against more fancied halves, with 1 superstar (try and tell me Mullo is not a superstar) and 1 solid FGer.

You blab on about Johns, Fittler and Lockyer being the only ones capable of stearing teams to premierships with dull half partners but everyone in the RL community, barring yourself it seems, rates Mullo as the best half in NSW. He is well and truely up there in the match winner stakes even with a bung shoulder.

As for signing the likes of Carney or Bird, no way do I ever want to see either of those turds in the red and blue. You carry on about how hard it is for Newcastle to attract top line players but your happy for us to sign 2 of the biggest perennial douches in RL history. Who the fug would want to play with them let or loan have to socialise with those types? I think you may be underplaying the importance of team dynamics and these 2 do not fit the image any club wants to project.

BTW nice change from saying we dont have any match winners to saying we need depth to cover our match winners. Most coaches would kill to have a player that could side step as well as you.

Mullen is one of the better halves in the NRL - to me in the top 2 in NSW, but he still isn't Lockyer, Fittler or Johns.

As for Bird, Carney - don't people deserve the opportunity to right wrongs in society? They might have an idiot factor to them, but at the same time, are we trying to win competitions, or take the moral high ground and be conservative types not willing to forgive young men who make mistakes?

I tell you what JW, when the Knights win the competition with either combination of Mullen/Dureau or Mullen/Rogers playing in the halves, I'll not only admit defeat, I'll set up a website shrine dedicated to Dureau/Rogers/Mullen while admitting what a total goose I'd been all along.

I'll let you pick the domain name.

 

[Pika]

Win the comp?

Wasnt this about top 4 or something?

 

[Karmawave]

Win the comp?

Wasnt this about top 4 or something?

It became about winning the comp, when a list was put up showing the winning halves combinations since the mid 90's.

But yes, lets make the 8 first before we worry about winning a comp. ;-)

I don't know about any other Knights fan, but I don't like settling for mediocrity, and just making semi finals and being competitive.

Its about winning the odd competition here and there too.

I'm still pretty comfortable with my prediction of 10th, though it would need a major turnaround of injury/form to end up there.

Certainly hope I'm wrong.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Mullen is one of the better halves in the NRL - to me in the top 2 in NSW, but he still isn't Lockyer, Fittler or Johns.

As for Bird, Carney - don't people deserve the opportunity to right wrongs in society? They might have an idiot factor to them, but at the same time, are we trying to win competitions, or take the moral high ground and be conservative types not willing to forgive young men who make mistakes?

I tell you what JW, when the Knights win the competition with either combination of Mullen/Dureau or Mullen/Rogers playing in the halves, I'll not only admit defeat, I'll set up a website shrine dedicated to Dureau/Rogers/Mullen while admitting what a total goose I'd been all along.

I'll let you pick the domain name.

When it comes to Bird or Carney, well I think they have had as many chances as they deserve and frankly I dont rate their abilities highly enough to have to put up with the no doubt constant crap they will more than likely have poured on our club. I may be prejudging here a bit but especially when it comes to Todd "I cannot learn my lesson" Carney, I think it is more than justified.

As for the rest, you are entitled to your opinion (as long as you dont change it mid post ;-)) and I can respect that.

You have a deal on the website too. How does "www.KarmawaveisScottyDsbitch.com.au" sound

 

[Karmawave]

You have a deal on the website too. How does "www.KarmawaveisScottyDsbitch.com.au" sound

Sounds scandalous!

Deal. :lol:

 

[Joker's Wild]

Sounds scandalous!

Deal. :lol:

Oh I am quite the wiz with MSPaint, Im sure I can combine both your heads with some suggestive pictures "borrowed" from Jobdogs personal collection ;-)

 

[macavity]

would happily sign Carney to play 7 for us.

if only to piss off skeepe and raider_69

;-)

 

[Serc]

As for Bird, Carney - don't people deserve the opportunity to right wrongs in society? They might have an idiot factor to them, but at the same time, are we trying to win competitions, or take the moral high ground and be conservative types not willing to forgive young men who make mistakes?

Surely you recall that both of them (particularly Carney) have been given eleventy billion chances to get it right...which is why both are where they are now.

I tell you what JW, when the Knights win the competition with either combination of Mullen/Dureau or Mullen/Rogers playing in the halves, I'll not only admit defeat, I'll set up a website shrine dedicated to Dureau/Rogers/Mullen while admitting what a total goose I'd been all along.

I'll let you pick the domain name.

ooooh a new quote *saves*

This will include Rogers too as I actually rate the guy (in his odd way)

 

[Karmawave]

This will include Rogers too as I actually rate the guy (in his odd way)

Actually I am a bit concerned about my quote, because Mullen/Rogers together could very well win a competition if Rogers is on fire. :lol:

Won't it be weird having that domain name if Scotty D watches the GF win with the rest of us on he sidelines.

 

[General Knight]

LOL, I swear this thread was about Simmo retiring.

 

[Serc]

The shrine will still have Scotty in it though!!!

 

[Big Tim]

LOL, I swear this thread was about Simmo retiring.

When??????