Week one Finals schedule

[Steel Saints]

First it was 20k, but that meant Penrith was OK, so now you raise it to 25k.
Newcastle has hills so it is ineligible too?

It's somewhat eligible because it has a capacity well over 25,000 for a finals venue. With regards to hills, I want every NRL venue to be all seaters.

The NRL is suppose to be a top flight professional competition, yet having grounds like Leichhardt Oval still be used in it's current rotten decaying state, does make the sport look amateurish.

And in it's current form, Shark Park should not be considered for a finals venue. A capacity under 12k is not great. Cronulla may have earnt the right to host, but they are also locking out thousands of fans.

No doubt with the finals schedule and where the games are played, you do want integrity in the comp. But you also want to get bigger attendances as possible, because without the fans, there's no comp.

 

[Maximus]

Penrith was $70. I thought they'd be cheaper at the bigger grounds

Roosters v Souths is always going to get a massive crowd no matter what they charge, and they have to make up for only being able to sell 12k at the dump down the road, so not surprising really.

 

[Iamback]

Roosters v Souths is always going to get a massive crowd no matter what they charge, and they have to make up for only being able to sell 12k at the dump down the road, so not surprising really.

The Sharks would of been told that, Likely gave the NRL a great rate in venue hire too

 

[Perth Red]

The Sharks would of been told that, Likely gave the NRL a great rate in venue hire too

Given nrl is losing over $1/2million playing there sharks should be paying them!

 

[Iamback]

Given nrl is losing over $1/2million playing there sharks should be paying them!

What is the break even crowd at Allianz? Until we know that it is hard to answer but they would make a profit at Shark Park given the price of the tickets

 

[Perth Red]

What is the break even crowd at Allianz? Until we know that it is hard to answer but they would make a profit at Shark Park given the price of the tickets

Suncorp costs $400k to hire so would imagine allianz hire fee is around same. 8-10k extra tickets @ $50-100 plus the much improved corporate sales covers the hire cost difference and still leaves a massive profit Increase.
That’s assuming sharks actually have fans willing to get off their arse and support them lol.

 

[Iamback]

Suncorp costs $400k to hire so would imagine allianz hire fee is around same. 8-10k extra tickets @ $50-100 plus the much improved corporate sales covers the hire cost difference and still leaves a massive profit Increase.
That’s assuming sharks actually have fans willing to get off their arse and support them lol.

The 3 games Sharks had a SFS

36k ( Was a double header with Roosters v Manly )
16k v Cowboys
19k v Penrith

On those figures the game loses money at SFS

 

[big hit!]

I get all that, sure, but Canterbury (as an example) have been in the comp for 90 years, why are there not more fans spread across the city? Do Sydney people not move around different parts of the city? Or do people change clubs if they move to a different part of Sydney?

Folks up here are very loyal to their region. They'll move suburbs but stick to the region where they've grown up a lot of the time. Unless you grew up on the North Shore, can't afford to buy up there so move to the inner west which a lot of merkins from the north shore have done. Most of those merkins are either rugby or Swans fans anyway. No North Sydney Bears, no rugby league. The ARL f**ked up with the Bears and not having a presence in the top tier anymore.

You'll find clubs that have historically been successful, like Souths and St George pre-1970s, Canterbury, Manly & Roosters in the modern era, or a team that had a dynasty like Parra in the 80s, have support in many pockets of the metropolitan. Even a club like Penrith have a fair bit of support in the city from young professionals who grew up in the Penrith area and moved closer into town for work and lifestyle.

Rugby League support however is very much dependent on the district you grew up in, or where you were living when you began following the game. The clubs are spread out so unless you were a glory hunter when you were a kid (several friends of mine became Parra fans due to the 80s dynasty, but lived in the Wests Ashfield, Canterbury, Balmain, South Sydney districts and have paid for that decision to support the eels for most of their adult life) you will be a supporter of the club closest to you.

 

[Perth Red]

The 3 games Sharks had a SFS

36k ( Was a double header with Roosters v Manly )
16k v Cowboys
19k v Penrith

On those figures the game loses money at SFS

The club hasn’t grown its fanbase since then?
The novelty of the new stadium wouldn’t draw some?
Even if they only matched 19k it would still make more profit from corporate sales if hire fee is $400k.
Let’s say shark park is costing $50k to hire (lol) and allianz is $400k. That’s $350k extra cost. 8k extra tickets at an aVg $60 is $540k, then add corporates. Only way allianz loses money is if rent is a lot more than $400k or sharks fans don’t bother going.

 

[yobbo84]

Folks up here are very loyal to their region. They'll move suburbs but stick to the region where they've grown up a lot of the time. Unless you grew up on the North Shore, can't afford to buy up there so move to the inner west which a lot of merkins from the north shore have done. Most of those merkins are either rugby or Swans fans anyway. No North Sydney Bears, no rugby league. The ARL f**ked up with the Bears and not having a presence in the top tier anymore.

You'll find clubs that have historically been successful, like Souths and St George pre-1970s, Canterbury, Manly & Roosters in the modern era, or a team that had a dynasty like Parra in the 80s, have support in many pockets of the metropolitan. Even a club like Penrith have a fair bit of support in the city from young professionals who grew up in the Penrith area and moved closer into town for work and lifestyle.

Rugby League support however is very much dependent on the district you grew up in, or where you were living when you began following the game. The clubs are spread out so unless you were a glory hunter when you were a kid (several friends of mine became Parra fans due to the 80s dynasty, but lived in the Wests Ashfield, Canterbury, Balmain, South Sydney districts and have paid for that decision to support the eels for most of their adult life) you will be a supporter of the club closest to you.

Rabbitohs, Dragons, Tigers etc supporters also spread out due to cost of living - many grew up in those areas but moved west where it was more affordable.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Rabbitohs, Dragons, Tigers etc supporters also spread out due to cost of living - many grew up in those areas but moved west where it was more affordable.

or its generational, with their parents having grown up locally but moved out of that area but their kids wind up following the same team even though they have no other association with the area that their parents did.

 

[westerntiger]

The Storm should move their game against the Raiders to Suncorp and play where most of their fans live like they did in 2020

 

[westerntiger]

Sharks played Cowboys in 2013 at Allianz, in week one of the finals. Crowd: 32,747.

And that was 8th v 5th!

Absolutely insane that I an only get single seats for that game at Shark Park today, Joke.

That was a double header. The Roosters and Manly played later on that same day.

 

[yobbo84]

or its generational, with their parents having grown up locally but moved out of that area but their kids wind up following the same team even though they have no other association with the area that their parents did.

Yeah that's what I mean. My parents were from Botany (thus the Rabbitohs) but I grew up in Bankstown, now my kids are growing up Rabbitohs in the Shire. There's been plenty of that.

As an example of the opposite you don't see many Shire folks leave the Shire, and Manly consider anything south of the Spit Bridge the great unwashed anyway.

 

[Stinkfinger]

Suncorp costs $400k to hire so would imagine allianz hire fee is around same. 8-10k extra tickets @ $50-100 plus the much improved corporate sales covers the hire cost difference and still leaves a massive profit Increase.
That’s assuming sharks actually have fans willing to get off their arse and support them lol.

Of course you'd then have to compensate the Sharks club for loss of income from outlets at the ground, and for loss of revenue from the licensed club. The same match up was played at Moore Park in 2017 and got 16,000, I'm not so sure a new stadium in the eastern suburbs is going to make all that much difference to what would be overwhelmingly Sharks supporters.

 

[Iamback]

The club hasn’t grown its fanbase since then?
The novelty of the new stadium wouldn’t draw some?
Even if they only matched 19k it would still make more profit from corporate sales if hire fee is $400k.
Let’s say shark park is costing $50k to hire (lol) and allianz is $400k. That’s $350k extra cost. 8k extra tickets at an aVg $60 is $540k, then add corporates. Only way allianz loses money is if rent is a lot more than $400k or sharks fans don’t bother going.

The shire people are known for not crossing the bridge so yes

Lets use the $50k hire. Some tickets get held back tickets range from $50-$95

Lets go 10k x $60 = $600k. $550k profit plus whatever they can flog corporates off too.

What is needed for $800k profit at SFS, bearing in mind tickets need to cheaper than Souffs v Roosters

 

[Iamback]

Of course you'd then have to compensate the Sharks club for loss of income from outlets at the ground, and for loss of revenue from the licensed club. The same match up was played at Moore Park in 2017 and got 16,000, I'm not so sure a new stadium in the eastern suburbs is going to make all that much difference to what would be overwhelmingly Sharks supporters.

Especially as the next game has to be at SFS anyway

 

[GongPanther]

Another dumb issue that gets chundered up for the interweb hits.

 

[Perth Red]

Of course you'd then have to compensate the Sharks club for loss of income from outlets at the ground, and for loss of revenue from the licensed club. The same match up was played at Moore Park in 2017 and got 16,000, I'm not so sure a new stadium in the eastern suburbs is going to make all that much difference to what would be overwhelmingly Sharks supporters.

Hah no you wouldn’t. finals belong to the nrl and they have no obligation to anyone, they can choose to play them wherever they like.
You do have a point though, having a club like the sharks in the nrl with few fans is a problem the nrl should look at.

 

[bad boy bubby]

Hah no you wouldn’t. finals belong to the nrl and they have no obligation to anyone, they can choose to play them wherever they like.
You do have a point though, having a club like the sharks in the nrl with few fans is a problem the nrl should look at.

Still butt hurt from 2016 where there were 80,000 Sharks fans and maybe 2000 Storm fans.
By the way, did you go to that game?