Welcome to the comp, Redcliffe.

[Pippen94]

Are you comparing a potential nrls club appeal in perth to gws appeal in Sydney? Or comparing the couple of mill extra a perth club would benefit from for jnr development to the $8-9mill a year more that gws gets? Why?? They are nothing alike. You need to have more confidence in our product!

No. I'm saying afl expansion ten years in has been shi..

 

[Pippen94]

And a $643 million a year media deal and significantly bigger sponsorship deals. The extra $7-8million ayear each of those club costs compared to the heartland clubs is chump change in comparison.

Why such an apologist?!

 

[Perth Red]

Why such an apologist?!

why such an ignoramus?

 

[Perth Red]

No. I'm saying afl expansion ten years in has been shi..

Depends on what your strat plan is and what you are trying to achieve. More content, new areas, strengething national agenda, being more attractive to sponsors and tv, increasing revenue beyond cost of expansion. Tick

Sure as clubs in terms of fan engagement by AFL standards they are way down on their KPI's but that is just one metric and probably one of the least important to AFL HQ

In terms of funding amount, there are AFL heartland clubs receiving similar amounts to GWS and Gold coast.

Same for Perth and longer term Adelaide in NRL. The spin offs for NRL HQ should outweigh the investment and short term growing pains.

What the NRL needs to do is learn from previous mistakes and do it better. If we want a Perth team to develop its own then funding the NRLWA $750k a year and having 4 development officers for the whole state isnt going to cut it.

 

[Pippen94]

Depends on what your strat plan is and what you are trying to achieve. More content, new areas, strengething national agenda, being more attractive to sponsors and tv, increasing revenue beyond cost of expansion. Tick

Sure as clubs in terms of fan engagement by AFL standards they are way down on their KPI's but that is just one metric and probably one of the least important to AFL HQ

In terms of funding amount, there are AFL heartland clubs receiving similar amounts to GWS and Gold coast.

Same for Perth and longer term Adelaide in NRL. The spin offs for NRL HQ should outweigh the investment and short term growing pains.

What the NRL needs to do is learn from previous mistakes and do it better. If we want a Perth team to develop its own then funding the NRLWA $750k a year and having 4 development officers for the whole state isnt going to cut it.

Million spent & return after 10 years is lowest average attendance not just for club but any team in history of competition. Sounds like failure but I'm not spinning numbers

 

[Pippen94]

why such an ignoramus?

Here we go

 

[Perth Red]

Million spent & return after 10 years is lowest average attendance not just for club but any team in history of competition. Sounds like failure but I'm not spinning numbers

Nice ignoring of the discussion, the return has also been extra content and increased national city presence leading to a mammoth media deal and bigger sponsorships. When you're raking in their money a few million "propping up" expansion is neither here nor there f its hitting their main revenue generation kpi's.

Here we go

people in glass houses and all that

 

[Iamback]

A league commissioned report which recommended teams in Sutherland, north Sydney or Brisbane but choose MacArthur for some reason..?!

Being soccer, Bribery is my guess.

Western United is worse. No home ground based in a small country town

 

[Iamback]

Million spent & return after 10 years is lowest average attendance not just for club but any team in history of competition. Sounds like failure but I'm not spinning numbers

Members too they are well behind the rest of the comp.

 

[Iamback]

That’s assuming the nrl doesn’t learn it’s lesson. if it stays dumb I agree with you.

What lesson is there to learn?

 

[Pippen94]

Nice ignoring of the discussion, the return has also been extra content and increased national city presence leading to a mammoth media deal and bigger sponsorships. When you're raking in their money a few million "propping up" expansion is neither here nor there f its hitting their main revenue generation kpi's.


people in glass houses and all that

Money was for extra game. Location was irrelevant. Gws less popular than 10 years ago is no success despite how u dismissing throwing millions away

 

[Perth Red]

What lesson is there to learn?

That equality doesn't work. They need to be less socialist and move to an equity model. New clubs, especially in far flung places like Perth. Port Moresby/Cairns/Darwin somewhere more safe, or Wellington/Christchurch are likely going to struggle to build a competitive first 3-5 year squad. So does NRL stick with its equality model and say tough everyone's the same, and we have an expansion club at the bottom struggling from day 1, or does it accept that reality and put things in place to make it more equitable for them to build a decent first up squad, ideally without impacting the other clubs too much?

What would be more valuable to the competition as a whole?

 

[Perth Red]

Money was for extra game. Location was irrelevant. Gws less popular than 10 years ago is no success despite how u dismissing throwing millions away

Exactly! You've hit the nail on the head!! So knowing location was irrelevant and knowing that there was no heartland area that needed another team as you've already built the comp properly, where next to give extra content?
Hmm maybe the next most valuable city after your heartland ones that increases national metro city presence, meets your strategic plan of having a national game, has a supportive state Govt willing to fund local things for the club and not only that but that has an adjoining territory happy to throw tens of millions for a few games a year at them. Sure the local people didn't want it but hey, build it and they will come, eventually.

Like I said you have to invest to increase revenue. AFL has spent roughly $600mill total on its last expansion that created more content and a stronger national perception. In that same time period since those clubs were admitted they have generated more than an extra $1.5billion revenue. A net gain of $900million plus. And that's before the big increases hit this year and in 2025.

 

[Pippen94]

Exactly! You've hit the nail on the head!! So knowing location was irrelevant and knowing that there was no heartland area that needed another team as you've already built the comp properly, where next to give extra content?
Hmm maybe the next most valuable city after your heartland ones that increases national metro city presence, meets your strategic plan of having a national game, has a supportive state Govt willing to fund local things for the club and not only that but that has an adjoining territory happy to throw tens of millions for a few games a year at them. Sure the local people didn't want it but hey, build it and they will come, eventually.

Great deflection, but gws not competitive on & off field ten years in.

 

[Perth Red]

Great deflection, but gws not competitive on & off field ten years in.

ok so now Ive proved you wrong off the field you want to talk about on field in terms of why that location was chosen? lol.
Yes you're right they have been shthouse on the field. Whats your point? That because GWS have been shthouse on the field that means a Perth NRL club will be? How so? Where's the correlation?

 

[Pippen94]

ok so now Ive proved you wrong off the field you want to talk about on field in terms of why that location was chosen? lol.
Yes you're right they have been shthouse on the field. Whats your point? That because GWS have been shthouse on the field that means a Perth NRL club will be? How so? Where's the correlation?

Yeah, but we talking about redcliffe expansion not Perth which remind me there's not even a bid yet?!

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah, but we talking about redcliffe expansion not Perth which remind me there's not even a bid yet?!

Hard to have a bid when there's no call for bids lol. We have interested parties ready to bid.

But yeh Redcliffe thread so lets talk about the Dolphins and what lessons can be learnt for future expansion.

1. More lead in time is needed
2. Support for signing 1st grade players is needed
3. Choose the best bid for the game, not the best bid for News Ltd.

The first two are probably linked to some degree

 

[Iamback]

That equality doesn't work. They need to be less socialist and move to an equity model. New clubs, especially in far flung places like Perth. Port Moresby/Cairns/Darwin somewhere more safe, or Wellington/Christchurch are likely going to struggle to build a competitive first 3-5 year squad. So does NRL stick with its equality model and say tough everyone's the same, and we have an expansion club at the bottom struggling from day 1, or does it accept that reality and put things in place to make it more equitable for them to build a decent first up squad, ideally without impacting the other clubs too much?

What would be more valuable to the competition as a whole?

Again. How do you convince a 22 year old to move across the country?

Throw in those with school aged kids too they won't move their kids out of school across the other side of the country.

That is why the likes of Cowboys, Knights etc have to fill their squads with locals, No money can solve that.

 

[Perth Red]

Again. How do you convince a 22 year old to move across the country?

Throw in those with school aged kids too they won't move their kids out of school across the other side of the country.

That is why the likes of Cowboys, Knights etc have to fill their squads with locals, No money can solve that.

Im going to keep on redcliffe and lessons from Dolphins here. I'll take this one to the other more relevant 18th club thread and pick it up there.

 

[Pippen94]

Hard to have a bid when there's no call for bids lol. We have interested parties ready to bid.

But yeh Redcliffe thread so lets talk about the Dolphins and what lessons can be learnt for future expansion.

1. More lead in time is needed
2. Support for signing 1st grade players is needed
3. Choose the best bid for the game, not the best bid for News Ltd.

The first two are probably linked to some degree

Well if drawing 4k to games after ten years is success like gws then I think they'll be more than successful