Welcome to the comp, Redcliffe.

[mongoose]

Not true

afl tv ratings in nsw and qld have collapsed

swans have been in Sydney nearly 40 years and their tv ratings are pathetic

in terms of juniors produced they rank last in western Sydney

if anything league is still growing in Sydney and Brisbane

who cares bro... League is the biggest game in NSW and QLD and always will be, don't need to keep tabs on their participation, TV ratings, crowds etc. Constantly focusing on what they are doing makes our sport look insecure and yes that goes for Perth Red too.

 

[Perth Red]

who cares bro... League is the biggest game in NSW and QLD and always will be, don't need to keep tabs on their participation, TV ratings, crowds etc. Constantly focusing on what they are doing makes our sport look insecure and yes that goes for Perth Red too.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”​

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

 

[Wb1234]

who cares bro... League is the biggest game in NSW and QLD and always will be, don't need to keep tabs on their participation, TV ratings, crowds etc. Constantly focusing on what they are doing makes our sport look insecure and yes that goes for Perth Red too.

Why not ?

what’s wrong with pointing out where afl is failing

it’s not like this forum isn’t short of afl fan boys

I can’t image what the afl forum is like and how they talk about league

heck the boss of the afl said afl is about to take over in Queensland

 

[AlwaysGreen]

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”​

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

"Perth Red is an afl troll."

- AlwaysGreen, Front Row Forums.

 

[docbrown]

"Perth Red is an afl troll."

- AlwaysGreen, Front Row Forums.

"Perth Red is a miserable pommy c***."

- Everyone

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

We need a moderator to remove the ad hominem attacks.

 

[docbrown]

We need a moderator to remove the ad hominem attacks.

Can you prove that he isn't a miserable pommy c***?

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

We need a moderator to remove the ad hominem attacks.

Settle down Karen

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Can you prove that he isn't a miserable pommy c***?

There were plenty of miserable New South Welshmen on here when Queensland won eight series straight. The vitriolic posts they made about Thurston were borderline psychotic.

 

[The Great Dane]

Ccvvb

couldn’t compete with rugby league at full strength

which is why the giants have no fans now

You're clueless mate.

The broad strokes of it is that their initial financial troubles during the 80s were largely because they were still carrying heavy debt from their time in Melbourne, which they eventually succumbed to in 85, and were forced to sell the club to Geoffrey Edelsten.

In an attempt to transform the club into a successful glamour club Edelsten massively overcommitted the club financially, which both got people through the gate and the team into the finals for the first time since moving to Sydney in 86 and 87, but was totally unsustainable, and in 88 they effectively folded again and the VFL was forced to revoke their license.

The AFL were then forced to quickly sell them onto another consortium that didn't really have the means to support them out of a necessity to find a new owner by 89, which, broadly speaking, was largely the source of their financial issues in the early 90s. They then folded again in 92, the only really serious bid for the club came from Canberra, but the AFL weren't interested in that and decided to run the club themselves.

In other words the Swans financial issues were largely because of a string of bad business decisions, and had very little, if anything, to do with RL in the grand scheme of things.

Waratahs went broke during this time too and the aru had give them 6 million to wipe out their debts

The Waratahs was the name of NSWRU's representative side until the brand was used for the NSW based Super Rugby side starting in 1996. In other words they effectively didn't exist in their current format until 96, thus couldn't have gone broke before then in the 80s and early 90s, and they're totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand anyway.

I refuse to play the whataboutism game with you, but if you want to continue to be totally wrong about the Swans then go right ahead.

 

[The Great Dane]

Settle down Karen

GROTD may not understand what an ad hominem actually is, but he's right.

The amount of people in this place whom just throw abuse around without actually engaging in the discussion is making actual discussion borderline impossible on most of this forum these days, and that shouldn't be encouraged.

 

[MugaB]

We need a moderator to remove the ad hominem attacks.

Potato potato potato Logan potato

- grotd

 

[MugaB]

GROTD may not understand what an ad hominem actually is, but he's right.

The amount of people in this place whom just throw abuse around without actually engaging in the discussion is making actual discussion borderline impossible on most of this forum these days, and that shouldn't be encouraged.

Really?
I though this thread was about "welcoming redcliffe"
Not the AFL or RU waratahs, you all want a meaningful discussion with each other, but go off on tangents about other codes, then get upset that you've all overtaken a thread which has nothing to do with the subjects you're all fussing about, then call out anyone else that won't engage in these silly conversations

.... i call potato on anyone here, who cant stick to the subject, coz if you're not contributing to the topic, you might aswell be trolling or insulting,...cant have it both ways

 

[Wb1234]

You're clueless mate.

The broad strokes of it is that their initial financial troubles during the 80s were largely because they were still carrying heavy debt from their time in Melbourne, which they eventually succumbed to in 85, and were forced to sell the club to Geoffrey Edelsten.

In an attempt to transform the club into a successful glamour club Edelsten massively overcommitted the club financially, which both got people through the gate and the team into the finals for the first time since moving to Sydney in 86 and 87, but was totally unsustainable, and in 88 they effectively folded again and the VFL was forced to revoke their license.

The AFL were then forced to quickly sell them onto another consortium that didn't really have the means to support them out of a necessity to find a new owner by 89, which, broadly speaking, was largely the source of their financial issues in the early 90s. They then folded again in 92, the only really serious bid for the club came from Canberra, but the AFL weren't interested in that and decided to run the club themselves.

In other words the Swans financial issues were largely because of a string of bad business decisions, and had very little, if anything, to do with RL in the grand scheme of things.

The Waratahs was the name of NSWRU's representative side until the brand was used for the NSW based Super Rugby side starting in 1996. In other words they effectively didn't exist in their current format until 96, thus couldn't have gone broke before then in the 80s and early 90s, and they're totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand anyway.

I refuse to play the whataboutism game with you, but if you want to continue to be totally wrong about the Swans then go right ahead.

So the swans had a rich backer who signed warrick capper and they still went broke twice

and the afl was thinking of killing off the club for good

and now without any clubs being merged the giants aren’t able to get a leg up

As the swans fans get older and die off let’s see how many new fans they keep without the benefit of super league

if the bears do return that won’t be good for the swans either

any other football code competing with league in Sydney pre 95 was always going to lose

 

[The Great Dane]

Really?
I though this thread was about "welcoming redcliffe"
Not the AFL or RU waratahs, you all want a meaningful discussion with each other, but go off on tangents about other codes, then get upset that you've all overtaken a thread which has nothing to do with the subjects you're all fussing about, then call out anyone else that won't engage in these silly conversations

.... i call potato on anyone here, who cant stick to the subject, coz if you're not contributing to the topic, you might aswell be trolling or insulting,...cant have it both ways

You know it is in fact possible for multiple subjects to be related, and for them all to come up naturally within a single discussion. It's extremely hard to discuss RL's position within the Australian sports industry without mentioning other competitors within the industry and the impact they have on RL for example.

Discussing RL, the NRL, clubs, etc, without ever mentioning other sports would be like trying to discuss a single species in an ecosystem without mentioning any of the other elements in the ecosystem.

Furthermore, you know nobody is forcing you to participate if you don't want to right?! If you don't want to talk about the Swans history in Sydney then just don't talk about it.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

How the f**k does constantly talking about some afl club in Sydney have another to do with the Dolphins?

 

[MugaB]

How the f**k does constantly talking about some afl club in Sydney have another to do with the Dolphins?

It doesn't thats my point, and just coz someone else randomly derails the topic we actually want to talk about or come here to read about, these talking heads continue to add onto the same fkn drummed up topics they talk about in every thread, but do it here, as they do in most threads that don't involve those exact same topics, why??? f**kn echo chamber, no one's listening and no one cares, so spew it all over each thread... as if thats not trolling..
This is an expansion thread topic...fair enough to talk about certain aspects of, but the derailing of nearly every expansion thread into AFL, TV rights, Union, the history and brandings of the swans

 

[MugaB]

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”​

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

What the f**k has this, got to do with "welcoming redcliffe?"

 

[The Great Dane]

So the swans had a rich backer who signed warrick capper and they still went broke twice

Simply being rich doesn't mean you know how to run a successful football business, and Edelstein's approach was to chuck tens of millions of dollars at superfluous shit in roughly two years in the 1980s.

Absolutely stupid amounts of money that he couldn't really afford, almost all of which was wasted on overpaying star players like Capper, expensive marketing gimmicks, decking out the club's employees with luxury goods and cars to give off the perception of being high rollers, and trying to impress the media and AFL personalities.

Edelstein had absolutely no idea how to run a professional sports team, and it very quickly became obvious that his ownership of the Swans was doomed to fail.

and the afl was thinking of killing off the club for good

Depends what you mean by 'the AFL'.

I doubt the AFLC had any more intention of allowing the Swans to die than the NRL has ever had of relocating the Storm, yet despite that multiple articles have been written by prominent RL personalities advocating for just that if you catch my meaning.

any other football code competing with league in Sydney pre 95 was always going to lose

Then why didn't they?

Seriously; why didn't they actually fold, i.e. close down the business, if their and other sport's position was so untenable in Sydney pre-95?

They shouldn't exist if what you're saying is true, yet they do...

 

[The Great Dane]

How the f**k does constantly talking about some afl club in Sydney have another to do with the Dolphins?

Ask titoelcolombiano and Wb.