Welcome to the comp, Redcliffe.

[The Great Dane]

Agreed. People still seem think that way though unfortunately.

TBF, it could still happen, but a club would have to get themselves into a hell of a calamity.

 

[Wb1234]

We've had this discussion before. Your not liking it when people call out your logical fallacies doesn't mean that you aren't committing said logical fallacies.

Your first tactic when losing an argument is to change the subject, and if allowed to you'll quickly pivot the discussion to more and more pedantic and irrelevant shit to avoid having to actually address your oppositions arguments. I'm not interested in that.

Now if you want to have a crack at actually addressing my point that the Swans shouldn't exist if your logic is correct then go ahead. We're done if not.

I dunno where you were in the 90s and which sport you were following then but having lived in Sydney all my life I’m fully aware of how bulletproof league was back then in Sydney

afl was a literal pimple on the great big backside of Sydney rugby league

 

[Colk]

TBF, it could still happen, but a club would have to get themselves into a hell of a calamity.

Agreed. As I said in one of my earlier posts it is very unlikely. It would have to be negligence of a grand scale.

 

[Wb1234]

Agreed. As I said in one of my earlier posts it is very unlikely. It would have to be negligence of a grand scale.

Lmao we have way way too many football clubs

afl will be lucky to keep gws alive they will eventually relocate them

the whole a league could collapse at any time and union can now only support two sides tops

 

[Bukowski]

I dunno where you were in the 90s and which sport you were following then but having lived in Sydney all my life I’m fully aware of how bulletproof league was back then in Sydney

afl was a literal pimple on the great big backside of Sydney rugby league

You've never lived outside Sydney? Well I'm shocked, your posts don't reflect that at all.

 

[MugaB]

We're done if not.

f**ken hope so, you 2 and your swans BS

 

[Perth Red]

Dolphins crowd will be interesting this round. First real tester of home support. Thursday night against an out of town team at Suncorp.

 

[xe_kilroy]

24,000

 

[Perth Red]

24,000

Very good crowd, they passed the first crowd test. More than most broncos Thursday night games.

 

[This Year?]

This thread is what I imagine a mensa meme to be.

Why can't people just enjoy the game for what is without all the dick measuring over ratings, crowds, expansion, salaries, grassroots, other sports etc.

Celebrate a win for the game no matter how small it is. Who gives a f**k what AFL and ARU do.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

The AFL being 'a joke' in Sydney before SL doesn't mean that SL had a significant impact on it's growth afterwards. Correlation doesn't equal causation.

The biggest factor in the Swans turning things around was them going broke and the AFL commission taking them over in 92. They effectively went from an incompetent rabble to one of the best run sports clubs in the country almost overnight. They were also given further concessions from the AFL to assure they became competitive on the pitch as quickly as possible on top of that, which basically cemented them as one of the best run and most successful clubs in the league.

In other words they went from making the finals twice between 1982 and 1995 to making the finals 22 times out of the next 27 seasons. Going from at best perennial also rans to that level of success would push growth at any club.

The fact that the SL war happened during the same time period is just a coincidence that insecure RL types in Sydney have jumped on as an excuse for the Swans success.

The Swans have had zero significant growth in crowds or TV ratings since the SL war.

Average Swans crowd 1994: 9k
<<1995 - 1997 SL War Happens>>
Average Swans crowd 1998: 31k
Average Swans crowd 2008: 32k
Average Swans crowd 2018: 34k
Average Swans crowd 2022: 29k

Hmmm.... I wonder what could have changed in the mid 90's??? It's not a mystery mate

 

[Perth Red]

The Swans have had zero significant growth in crowds or TV ratings since the SL war.

Average Swans crowd 1994: 9k
<<1995 - 1997 SL War Happens>>
Average Swans crowd 1998: 31k
Average Swans crowd 2008: 32k
Average Swans crowd 2018: 34k
Average Swans crowd 2022: 29k

Hmmm.... I wonder what could have changed in the mid 90's??? It's not a mystery mate

What changed was they stopped being an absolute basket case on and off the field, signed some star names and became an attractive club to follow. If you were a rl fan and jumped to afl because you didn’t like SL you should give yourself an uppercut!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

What changed was they stopped being an absolute basket case on and off the field, signed some star names and became an attractive club to follow. If you were a rl fan and jumped to afl because you didn’t like SL you should give yourself an uppercut!

If that was the reason then they would have seen similar popularity boosts in their other premierships / successful seasons. They've shown no real growth in fan base as a club since the SL war and that growth was gifted to them by RL.

 

[Colk]

If that was the reason then they would have seen similar popularity boosts in their other premierships / successful seasons. They've shown no real growth in fan base as a club since the SL war and that growth was gifted to them by RL.

Yeah but there is a perception around this forum that somehow people don’t or can’t follow more than one sport which isn’t logical.

You and I and most here on this forum might absolutely detest fumbleball, however, I would suggest that our hatred of fumbleball is probably reflective of a minority in the community. There are people who don’t follow sport at all, people who follow a majority of sports and go and concentrate on whichever team of theirs is winning and then you have the rusted on’s like us.

 

[Perth Red]

If that was the reason then they would have seen similar popularity boosts in their other premierships / successful seasons. They've shown no real growth in fan base as a club since the SL war and that growth was gifted to them by RL.

If it was solely down to SL surely we’d have seen a drop off by now, or are you suggesting the 25k fans that allegedly jumped ship in 1995 are still exactly the same fans following them 28 years later?

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah but there is a perception around this forum that somehow people don’t or can’t follow more than one sport which isn’t logical.

You and I and most here on this forum might absolutely detest fumbleball, however, I would suggest that our hatred of fumbleball is probably reflective of a minority in the community. There are people who don’t follow sport at all, people who follow a majority of sports and go and concentrate on whichever team of theirs is winning and then you have the rusted on’s like us.

I follow nrl, SL, f1 and nfl. I doubt there’s many sports fans that only follow one sport/comp in reality.

 

[Colk]

I follow nrl, SL, f1 and nfl. I doubt there’s many sports fans that only follow one sport/comp in reality.

Of course. I follow league, cricket, baseball, tennis and football. I find it weird that people are suggesting otherwise

 

[titoelcolombiano]

If it was solely down to SL surely we’d have seen a drop off by now, or are you suggesting the 25k fans that allegedly jumped ship in 1995 are still exactly the same fans following them 28 years later?

I'm suggesting exactly what I said. SL gave them a leg up during the SL war that they have managed to maintain but not grow (at all) since then. And the numbers back up exactly what I'm saying. The Swans Chairman at the time has also admitted that SL have them a massive foothold in the Sydney market that they didn't previously have

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Yeah but there is a perception around this forum that somehow people don’t or can’t follow more than one sport which isn’t logical.

You and I and most here on this forum might absolutely detest fumbleball, however, I would suggest that our hatred of fumbleball is probably reflective of a minority in the community. There are people who don’t follow sport at all, people who follow a majority of sports and go and concentrate on whichever team of theirs is winning and then you have the rusted on’s like us.

Agree that people can follow more than one sport, but not sure what this has to do with my post. Swans have shown no significant attendance or TV ratings growth since the SL war

 

[Colk]

Agree that people can follow more than one sport, but not sure what this has to do with my post. Swans have shown no significant attendance or TV ratings growth since the SL war

Your suggestion is that the only reason Swans got support was because of SL and League followers abandoning the game and going over to follow the Swans.

It was a factor yes but it isn’t the only one. Clearly the fact that they became good at exactly the same time was the significant factor. It was bandwagon support.

For example, when the Brisbane Lions get big crowds are we also attributing that to SL? Or would I find a pattern of support like any other side?