Welcome to the comp, Redcliffe.

[AlwaysGreen]

Back on topic, they're struggling a bit on field but that was always going to happen with a new club depth is always an issue.

But they've been a fine addition to the comp.

 

[Wb1234]

Simply being rich doesn't mean you know how to run a successful football business, and Edelstein's approach was to chuck tens of millions of dollars at superfluous shit in roughly two years in the 1980s.

Absolutely stupid amounts of money that he couldn't really afford, almost all of which was wasted on overpaying star players like Capper, expensive marketing gimmicks, decking out the club's employees with luxury goods and cars to give off the perception of being high rollers, and trying to impress the media and AFL personalities.

Edelstein had absolutely no idea how to run a professional sports team, and it very quickly became obvious that his ownership of the Swans was doomed to fail.

Depends what you mean by 'the AFL'.

I doubt the AFLC had any more intention of allowing the Swans to die than the NRL has ever had of relocating the Storm, yet despite that multiple articles have been written by prominent RL personalities advocating for just that if you catch my meaning.

Then why didn't they?

Seriously; why didn't they actually fold, i.e. close down the business, if their and other sport's position was so untenable in Sydney pre-95?

They shouldn't exist if what you're saying is true, yet they do...

They went broke twice

that tells you the club couldn’t compete with league until super league came around

just like the giants can’t compete today without a Leg up from super league

you know the giants play exactly the same sport as the swans don’t you ?

why haven’t the population of esteem Sydney flocked to watch their afl team

good luck to afl they got lucky with super league

now the nrl is clawing it all back

 

[MugaB]

Back on topic, they're struggling a bit on field but that was always going to happen with a new club depth is always an issue.

But they've been a fine including to the comp.

If you put Felise Kaufusi back in, they gain more experience and those close losses, like the one vs bronx, ends up winning the 2 points... the late shot on hastings was the wrong decision, i feel like the dolphins getting wins on the board this quick wasn't in the plans for the Arlc, like ive said before, ive seen their draw, its a winnable draw to get them into the finals, and they beat teams already i thought theyd struggle against (roosters/raiders)

 

[MugaB]

They went broke twice

that tells you the club couldn’t compete with league until super league came around

just like the giants can’t compete today without a Leg up from super league

you know the giants play exactly the same sport as the swans don’t you ?

why haven’t the population of esteem Sydney flocked to watch their afl team

good luck to afl they got lucky with super league

now the nrl is clawing it all back

Take this BS elsewhere... swans and alf can go fk themselves

 

[The Great Dane]

They went broke twice

Three times really, but none of them had anything to do with RL, and nothing you've written here addresses any of my points or answers my question. You're just dodging really.

I'll try again, why do they still exist if they should have gone out of business pre-95?

 

[MugaB]

Three times really, but none of them had anything to do with RL, and nothing you've written here addresses any of my points or answers my question. You're just dodging really.

I'll try again, why do they still exist if they should have gone out of business pre-95?

Who cares? Isnt there AFL forums/ sites for this garbage

 

[Wb1234]

Three times really, but none of them had anything to do with RL, and nothing you've written here addresses any of my points or answers my question. You're just dodging really.

I'll try again, why do they still exist if they should have gone out of business pre-95?

The afl could’ve cut them off they chose to give it one more try and super league came along

it’s not just Sydney either csnberra and brisbane saw a huge uptick in fans of other codes

heck you were probably watching the brumbies and cheering on Gregan and larkham

 

[Colk]

Meh no fumble or league side will die unless something drastic happens. Both the NRL and them are so far ahead in revenue that the sports in trouble in this country is RU mostly. I would have added soccer as well although those teams are mostly owned by very wealthy overseas interests.

The idea of teams dying is kind of mute.

 

[mongoose]

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”​

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

hahah if a comparison is relevant to the discussion then fine but not everything needs to be in the context of NRL vs AFL. i.e. A small increase in crowds should be applauded not dismissed because we aren't equal with AFL yet.

 

[mongoose]

Why not ?

what’s wrong with pointing out where afl is failing

it’s not like this forum isn’t short of afl fan boys

I can’t image what the afl forum is like and how they talk about league

heck the boss of the afl said afl is about to take over in Queensland

pointing out their supposed failings in NSW and QLD isn't a win for NRL though.

 

[Bukowski]

Back on topic, they're struggling a bit on field but that was always going to happen with a new club depth is always an issue.

But they've been a fine addition to the comp.

I dont think they make the 8 but they've aquited themselves so far. Hopefully the NRL don't add another Brisbane team too early.

 

[Colk]

I dont think they make the 8 but they've aquited themselves so far. Hopefully the NRL don't add another Brisbane team too early.

Agreed. Another Brisbane team should be something to consider a decade in the future. Let the Phins bed in as well as see how the Titans are tracking by that time

 

[Bukowski]

Agreed. Another Brisbane team should be something to consider a decade in the future. Let the Phins bed in as well as see how the Titans are tracking by that time

Hopefully the extra competition in the region gets the titans cracking too.

 

[Wb1234]

pointing out their supposed failings in NSW and QLD isn't a win for NRL though.

Well I do like to point out their other failing too but the struggles of afl in qld and nsw despite billions in funding is awesome given league clubs in the area are operating on almost half their revenue

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

They went broke twice

that tells you the club couldn’t compete with league until super league came around

just like the giants can’t compete today without a Leg up from super league

you know the giants play exactly the same sport as the swans don’t you ?

why haven’t the population of esteem Sydney flocked to watch their afl team

good luck to afl they got lucky with super league

now the nrl is clawing it all back

Isn't Sydney's top end of town based in the eastern and northern suburbs?

Isn't western Sydney predominantly lower socio-economic with a high immigrant population from Polynesia?

That explains the disparate fanbases of the Swans and Giants.

 

[The Great Dane]

Meh no fumble or league side will die unless something drastic happens. Both the NRL and them are so far ahead in revenue that the sports in trouble in this country is RU mostly. I would have added soccer as well although those teams are mostly owned by very wealthy overseas interests.

The idea of teams dying is kind of mute.

That may be true now, but it certainly wasn't the case in the 80s and 90s.

 

[The Great Dane]

The afl could’ve cut them off they chose to give it one more try and super league came along

Using your logic they shouldn't have had a choice.

Their position in Sydney should have been so untenable that the business was totally unsustainable.

it’s not just Sydney either csnberra and brisbane saw a huge uptick in fans of other codes

heck you were probably watching the brumbies and cheering on Gregan and larkham

Whataboutism. Besides that being because of the SL war is revisionist mythologising as well.

 

[Colk]

That may be true now, but it certainly wasn't the case in the 80s and 90s.

Agreed. People still seem think that way though unfortunately.

 

[Wb1234]

Using your logic they shouldn't have had a choice.

Their position in Sydney should have been so untenable that the business was totally unsustainable.

Whataboutism. Besides that being because of the SL war is revisionist mythologising as well.

Anybody using the term whataboutism automatically has lost an argument

 

[The Great Dane]

Anybody using the term whataboutism automatically has lost an argument

We've had this discussion before. Your not liking it when people call out your logical fallacies doesn't mean that you aren't committing said logical fallacies.

Your first tactic when losing an argument is to change the subject, and if allowed to you'll quickly pivot the discussion to more and more pedantic and irrelevant shit to avoid having to actually address your oppositions arguments. I'm not interested in that.

Now if you want to have a crack at actually addressing my point that the Swans shouldn't exist if your logic is correct then go ahead. We're done if not.