West Coast Pirates Bid News

[titoelcolombiano]

WC Pirates start preparing to join the nswrl under 20’s comp in 2019 with an under 19’s elite development program in 2018.

RL WA 2020 Pirates Pathways Vision

• 2018 – West Coast Pirates involvement in Current NSW RL SG Ball Under 18’s Competition
• 2018 – NRL WA to introduce Under 19’s Development program
• 2019 – Proposed entry into NSW RL Under 20’s Competition
• 2020 – 2022 Proposed entry into NSW Intrust Super Premiership.

PR - do you think that this indicates building towards an NRL team in 2023 (i.e. when the new TV deal kicks off)?

 

[BuffaloRules]

PR - do you think that this indicates building towards an NRL team in 2023 (i.e. when the new TV deal kicks off)?

Unfortunately that decision is up to Grant and Greenburg....

I would suggest unlikely given their prior comments on expansion...

 

[Perth Red]

PR - do you think that this indicates building towards an NRL team in 2023 (i.e. when the new TV deal kicks off)?

I think they are putting pieces in place in case. I have no hope that the NRL has any idea if, when or where it will expand beyond 16 clubs. I imagine they will look at it around 2020/21 and how the existing clubs are travelling financially, how the NRL is travelling financially and what appetite TV has to buy a ninth game for the 2023 onwards Tv contract. But font hold your breath!

Just on this development pathway, I am struggling to see how we will have the talent for an Under 20's side. Reality is any decent WA Jnr that comes through gets picked up from the Pirates SG Ball side by an NRL or Qland cup club and moves over East. Not sure how they think we will have the talent to field an Under 20's Pirates team? Until we get an NRL club, kids are not going to stay in WA if they have a shot at making it into the NRL over East.

 

[Perth Red]

Unfortunately that decision is up to Grant and Greenburg....

I would suggest unlikely given their prior comments on expansion...

Grant will be gone and hopefully so will Greenburg by 2020 which is when they realistically need to be looking at it.

 

[taipan]

Grant will be gone and hopefully so will Greenburg by 2020 which is when they realistically need to be looking at it.

And regardless who may or may not take their place,the expansion decision will be made on the economic realities that exist within the code, the next TV deals, and how the current NRL clubs are performing.
If the code is facing financial issues, even Luigi the Unbelievable wouldn't push for expansion.Let's not get too carried away about new people on boards.

 

[Perth Red]

And regardless who may or may not take their place,the expansion decision will be made on the economic realities that exist within the code, the next TV deals, and how the current NRL clubs are performing.
If the code is facing financial issues, even Luigi the Unbelievable wouldn't push for expansion.Let's not get too carried away about new people on boards.

You'd be surprised at what a difference to aggressive expansion change of CEO or board can make. Reality is people bring their personality into their business with them, some are conservative, some are aggressive risk takers. At the moment we have a conservative management set up, maybe by 2021 we will have an ARL 1990 style aggressive risk taking leadership, who knows? The money is there, the value should be there, what we don't have is the vision (or desire?), leadership and strategy to make it happen. What the NRL decide to spend their billions on and how good they are at selling their product from 2023 will be key determinants.

 

[taipan]

You'd be surprised at what a difference to aggressive expansion change of CEO or board can make. Reality is people bring their personality into their business with them, some are conservative, some are aggressive risk takers. At the moment we have a conservative management set up, maybe by 2021 we will have an ARL 1990 style aggressive risk taking leadership, who knows? The money is there, the value should be there, what we don't have is the vision (or desire?), leadership and strategy to make it happen. What the NRL decide to spend their billions on and how good they are at selling their product from 2023 will be key determinants.

I would indeed be surprised if an aggressive expansive CEO,expanded when finances were uncertain, and the competition was spending huge sums in your backyard.
There are risk takers ,sport is supposedly a not for profit organisation in this country.So dollars spent have to be spent wisely, not just for the sake of expansion.It is not mining industry where you can spend millions in the hope of striking oil or minerals.

I've seen aggressive expansion.It was called Super league, and we all know how far that got us, and the damage done.And your mob fell into the trap of jumping ship, and got burnt in the process.Yeah we know all about risk.As did my mob.Masters Hardware,Myer,S15,A league ,the Roar got a crowd of 7,000 recently.

And expansion is not the only avenue where expenses are dispersed, we all know the various sections of rugby league within the game, and the financial assistance give to the less fortunate, indigenous ,school health, the list goes on.
The money is where? From what I understand the 2018-2022 ,monies is accounted for.

I have no qualms the code expands,provided it is done responsibly.And the continual BS comparison with AFL expanding ,is simply because they have had huge funds available to do so.Where's the money we didn't get, due to botched Tv deals of the past ?
Roy Masters noted this, when we got $500m over 6 years and the AFL $780m over 5 years.This when we were caning fumble ball in the TV ratings.If that was done in private enterprise the negotiators would probably be sacked,or demoted.
We got an aggressive CEO Smith, who went feral on a Tv deal with 9,immediately got Murdoch off sides he feathers the fumbler further,made us stew.Sport is not a International Banking Organisation,under risk management.

Stakeholders are also the fans who put their money through the gate, buy merchandise,subscribe to pay TV.They want their code and clubs to be around long term, not live hand to mouth year after year.

 

[Perth Red]

Well we can cross off NRL club ownership and bailing out from your list of excuses. With the $13mill grant there is no excuse for any existing club not be solvent and secure from 2018.
So that leaves the NRL having to find, or raise, an additional approx $30mill a year to expand to 18 teams. Lets hope they get some good salesmen or the $100mill digital investment pays off.

You can only use the AFL tv payment gap so long, weve got two TV deals now where the games revenue has risen massively. By 2023 that will be 10 years of massive funding compared to pre 2013. AFL expanded within just 5 years of decent funding.

You've heard of"where there's a will there's a way"? Unless there is a will the game will never expand and always find excuses. Hence why we need someone with a bit more vision running the game.

 

[taipan]

Well we can cross off NRL club ownership and bailing out from your list of excuses. With the $13mill grant there is no excuse for any existing club not be solvent and secure from 2018.
So that leaves the NRL having to find, or raise, an additional approx $30mill a year to expand to 18 teams. Lets hope they get some good salesmen or the $100mill digital investment pays off.

You can only use the AFL tv payment gap so long, weve got two TV deals now where the games revenue has risen massively. By 2023 that will be 10 years of massive funding compared to pre 2013. AFL expanded within just 5 years of decent funding.

You've heard of"where there's a will there's a way"? Unless there is a will the game will never expand and always find excuses. Hence why we need someone with a bit more vision running the game.

"Cross off NRL ownership.LOL"
Do you understand the likes of Penn from Manly has lost money and is putting his money in for the love of the game.Under the new financing setup, they are hoping as are other clubs to at least break even.
Ditto he Storm owners are expecting a break even situation in the next couple of years.Of course every club would love to ensure decent profits,but as "realists"(a word you are unable to familiarise yourself with) they understand the chances of that are low.Ask Auckland Warriors? Or the Titans,it's not beer and skittles FFS>
Money comes from merchandise sales for the clubs' benefits, as does sponsorship,but we are discussing the head body who allocates the funding for all clubs via grants,which you continue to pretend is a bottomless pit of loot.

The TV contract gap has continued up til the last deal.You should be aware because of crap income by comparison in the past, the grassroots and the bush have been greatly neglected(well publicised).That has to be attended to and will cost a lot of money.Of course you don;t care ,as long ass Perth gets the "nod "tomorrow.
The women get a slice off the action also.

And your theory is move Sydney clubs and rationalise and automatically that will engender a huge increase in Tv income.Forgetting ratings of course from the heartland city.
It has also been well publicised the uncertainty of where the TV industry will stand from 2023.TV ratings fro most of the winter sports are either dropping or stagnating.Live streaming is taking a fair swag.The industry is nowhere near the cash cow it was.

Like I stated we had that visionary by the name of John Ribot,Porky Morgannad they were going to rationalise clubs, nationalise the code, and take it to the world.And E.T would be walking down the street of Beijing and he would be mobbed by thousands of screaming rl groupies.

I fell for it, your mob fell for it,and guess what '\all the money the ARL had in the bank which could have been used for expansion about $20-25m circa 1995 went into the pockets of players.All it would have taken is for PerthCowboys/Auckland to tell New to get knotted and they wanted to remain under the ARL banner, and you guys would more than likely be in existence as the Perth Rednecks.

So there was a will, bit it went no way.

Expansion will happen as a matter of necessity, either by areas showing they have a large grassroots base,huges membership backing, strong sponsorship portfolio and when the grassroots in the eastern States receives the necessary funding to get back on their feet.Plus income generated by the NRL is sufficient to provide grants to 18 0r 20 teams whatever.

 

[Stallion]

"Cross off NRL ownership.LOL"
Do you understand the likes of Penn from Manly has lost money and is putting his money in for the love of the game.Under the new financing setup, they are hoping as are other clubs to at least break even.
Ditto he Storm owners are expecting a break even situation in the next couple of years.Of course every club would love to ensure decent profits,but as "realists"(a word you are unable to familiarise yourself with) they understand the chances of that are low.Ask Auckland Warriors? Or the Titans,it's not beer and skittles FFS>
Money comes from merchandise sales for the clubs' benefits, as does sponsorship,but we are discussing the head body who allocates the funding for all clubs via grants,which you continue to pretend is a bottomless pit of loot.

The TV contract gap has continued up til the last deal.You should be aware because of crap income by comparison in the past, the grassroots and the bush have been greatly neglected(well publicised).That has to be attended to and will cost a lot of money.Of course you don;t care ,as long ass Perth gets the "nod "tomorrow.
The women get a slice off the action also.

And your theory is move Sydney clubs and rationalise and automatically that will engender a huge increase in Tv income.Forgetting ratings of course from the heartland city.
It has also been well publicised the uncertainty of where the TV industry will stand from 2023.TV ratings fro most of the winter sports are either dropping or stagnating.Live streaming is taking a fair swag.The industry is nowhere near the cash cow it was.

Like I stated we had that visionary by the name of John Ribot,Porky Morgannad they were going to rationalise clubs, nationalise the code, and take it to the world.And E.T would be walking down the street of Beijing and he would be mobbed by thousands of screaming rl groupies.

I fell for it, your mob fell for it,and guess what '\all the money the ARL had in the bank which could have been used for expansion about $20-25m circa 1995 went into the pockets of players.All it would have taken is for PerthCowboys/Auckland to tell New to get knotted and they wanted to remain under the ARL banner, and you guys would more than likely be in existence as the Perth Rednecks.

So there was a will, bit it went no way.

Expansion will happen as a matter of necessity, either by areas showing they have a large grassroots base,huges membership backing, strong sponsorship portfolio and when the grassroots in the eastern States receives the necessary funding to get back on their feet.Plus income generated by the NRL is sufficient to provide grants to 18 0r 20 teams whatever.

That's a big admission conceding to the 'super league vision'!? I smelt a rat straight away. At that time the expansion experienced in 1995 was seeing the game going gangbusters. Unfortunately it was all ruined by the intrusion of the News Ltd backed superleague. And the code of rugby league was contained and damaged significantly.

 

[taipan]

That's a big admission conceding to the 'super league vision'!? I smelt a rat straight away. At that time the expansion experienced in 1995 was seeing the game going gangbusters. Unfortunately it was all ruined by the intrusion of the News Ltd backed superleague. And the code of rugby league was contained and damaged significantly.

It meant saving the club financially,that's how I got sucked in.And it did initially.

 

[Stallion]

It meant saving the club financially,that's how I got sucked in.And it did initially.

Understand. It's good you could see the fakeness and insincerity later on! I have Cronulla Sutherland mates whom had the same stance. Appreciated the short term money help but had a negative gut feel about the split and its course. Ive always thought a multi billion dollar company(backed a guy whom doesnt like the code) was willing to drop some cash to hurt rugby-league in Australia . Murdoch was on a win/win. Either he lost money with rugby league suffering or he made money with rugby league crawling on its knees to regain lost ground. I know in Newcastle we were steadfast against it! It was seen as an unnecessary divisive plot that weakened footy!

 

[Perth Red]

NORTHERN Sharks juniors Trent Wedding and Jacob McCarthy will escalate their pursuits for NRL stardom by travelling to Western Australia in the new year.

NRL NT pathways manager Duncan MacGillivray has secured a trial for the pair at the West Coast Pirates, who compete in NSWRL SG Ball under-18 competition.

If they impress, Wedding and McCarthy will relocate to Perth for the season which runs from February to May.

McCarthy, originally from Gove, played his first match of competitive football only three years ago.

The forward said he would give the trial everything he had.

“Everyone who plays would love to make it somewhere in rugby league but it’s just about how much you want to get there and how hard you want to work,” the 16-year-old said.

“It will be a good change from Darwin footy, it will be much more competitive.”

17-year-old Wedding made his A-grade debut earlier this year and believes he can again step up.

“When we went away for the under-18 Combined Affiliated States tournament for the NT, we played WA. They had a few big boys and they knew what they were doing, but I think we will go well down there,” he said.

http://www.ntnews.com.au/sport/nort...l/news-story/4cd22d74c2bac34ff35a5a402fd997ad

 

[Perth Red]

The NRL has begun discussions on entering a Perth franchise into the NSW Cup within three years, according to Western Australia NRL boss John Sackson.

In the clearest sign yet of a possible expansion in Perth, it is understood the governing body is exploring the idea of including a team from the west in the under-20s competition over the next two years.

The next aim would be submitting a reserve grade outfit the following year, before evolving into a possible NRL team by the time the broadcast deal ends in 2022.


"For the past six-eight months, there has been a discussion on a possible inclusion of an under-20s team over the next two years," Sackson told AAP.

The revelation came in the same week the likely future ARL Commission chairman Peter Beattie declared NRL expansion should firmly be back on the agenda.

Beattie is widely expected to replace outgoing chairman John Grant next month on a reconstructed 10-person commission.

Despite being chairman of the Gold Coast Commonwealth Games, the former Queensland premier is expected to attend the NRL season-opening double-header at Perth's new stadium.

Sackson has long been sceptical of any talk surrounding the possibility of reintroducing a NRL team in a city that hasn't boasted a side in the top competition since the Western Reds folded in 1997.

A NRL spokesperson denied there had been any formal talks involving a future Perth team, however the NSWRL confirmed the governing body was exploring the avenues.

Sackson took Beattie's comments to be genuine.

"Over the past eight years, there have been plenty of positive support for the re-entry of an elite franchise in Perth," Sackson said.

"It's reflected in winning national fan polls or opinions from respected stakeholders of the game including media, past and present players, coaches and NRL club executives.

"The difference here is that such comments from the man touted as the next head of the Commission - the man that could become the most powerful and influential figure in the game - could certainly be considered more meaningful."

Perth has been served by having a West Coast Pirates team in the NSW under-18s competition since 2010, which has so far yielded three NRL graduates.

But the NRL is looking at a pathway to join the elite competition, after the likely inclusion of Fiji in the NSW Cup next year.

"The next step would be the following year, possibly for a team competing in the NSW state cup as the future of the game is developed," Sackson said.

"Obviously, there are lots of issues, including funding and all those sorts of things that have to be dealt with to make things like that a reality."

https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/01/31/15/50/nrl-paving-way-for-perth-expansion

 

[Stallion]

NORTHERN Sharks juniors Trent Wedding and Jacob McCarthy will escalate their pursuits for NRL stardom by travelling to Western Australia in the new year.

NRL NT pathways manager Duncan MacGillivray has secured a trial for the pair at the West Coast Pirates, who compete in NSWRL SG Ball under-18 competition.

If they impress, Wedding and McCarthy will relocate to Perth for the season which runs from February to May.

McCarthy, originally from Gove, played his first match of competitive football only three years ago.

The forward said he would give the trial everything he had.

“Everyone who plays would love to make it somewhere in rugby league but it’s just about how much you want to get there and how hard you want to work,” the 16-year-old said.

“It will be a good change from Darwin footy, it will be much more competitive.”

17-year-old Wedding made his A-grade debut earlier this year and believes he can again step up.

“When we went away for the under-18 Combined Affiliated States tournament for the NT, we played WA. They had a few big boys and they knew what they were doing, but I think we will go well down there,” he said.

http://www.ntnews.com.au/sport/nort...l/news-story/4cd22d74c2bac34ff35a5a402fd997ad

Btw PR. Whomever came up with the name West Coast Pirates deserves a pat on the back! The Pirates motto is sensational! It will be a hit with the kids and it can be easily used in a crowd chant! Even West Coast is easy to chant! Very well named. What colours are being used? I know it's early days however we are finally seeing direct intention from the ARLC which is refreshing and different. I hope you can refrain from the implosion talk from now on!

 

[Perth Red]

Yeh, I hated losing the reds and the great kangaroo logo but the Pirates brand is a marketers dream. If they can’t become the best selling merch club with that brand then somethings amiss!

The buccaneers in nfl have some great game day stuff around the pirate brand that we could replicate. Kids do love being a pirate!

Colours are as per logo, red, black white and yellow/gold. We haven’t produced a decent jersey for the Sg ball side yet imo and personally I’d just go and steal the Catalans dragons designs as they would be perfect!

My biggest concern is we don’t actually have a bid or a bid team anymore. Since the WARL was taken over by the nrl we no longer have the business people involved who were putting the bid together. That leaves potentially the Elias/Sage ticket but that would be a disaster imo.

Be interesting to see if the nrl would put a team in that they actually owned from day one and built it with a view of selling it in years to come?

Still a long way to go it seems. Im also concerned about us running an under 20’s. At the moment the best talent out of the SG Ball under 18’s is picked up by nrl systems on east coast. There is little left to run an under 20’s side and kids won’t stay in Perth if there is a direct path to an nrl club on offer over east.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Yeh, I hated losing the reds and the great kangaroo logo but the Pirates brand is a marketers dream. If they can’t become the best selling merch club with that brand then somethings amiss!

The buccaneers in nfl have some great game day stuff around the pirate brand that we could replicate. Kids do love being a pirate!

Colours are as per logo, red, black white and yellow/gold. We haven’t produced a decent jersey for the Sg ball side yet imo and personally I’d just go and steal the Catalans dragons designs as they would be perfect!

My biggest concern is we don’t actually have a bid or a bid team anymore. Since the WARL was taken over by the nrl we no longer have the business people involved who were putting the bid together. That leaves potentially the Elias/Sage ticket but that would be a disaster imo.

Be interesting to see if the nrl would put a team in that they actually owned from day one and built it with a view of selling it in years to come?

Still a long way to go it seems. Im also concerned about us running an under 20’s. At the moment the best talent out of the SG Ball under 18’s is picked up by nrl systems on east coast. There is little left to run an under 20’s side and kids won’t stay in Perth if there is a direct path to an nrl club on offer over east.

I would like to think that with such a expansion driven article and a obvious call for expansion bid teams that the Nrl/commission are receiving massive interest/calls. Hopefully Media, business and airline compianies top that list.

Agree that the name and colors are great and should be kept. The Nrl by now should know what a Nrl team requires.

• A strong financial backer that guarantees financial commitment
• number of sponsorship deals
• grassroot/local/state development systems
To name a few.

Wouldn’t think that should be to too hard to get from serious bid teams.

I think the 20’s issue you bring up can be fixed with incentives for WA players. Obviously has to be done right though.

 

[Stallion]

Yeh, I hated losing the reds and the great kangaroo logo but the Pirates brand is a marketers dream. If they can’t become the best selling merch club with that brand then somethings amiss!

The buccaneers in nfl have some great game day stuff around the pirate brand that we could replicate. Kids do love being a pirate!

Colours are as per logo, red, black white and yellow/gold. We haven’t produced a decent jersey for the Sg ball side yet imo and personally I’d just go and steal the Catalans dragons designs as they would be perfect!

My biggest concern is we don’t actually have a bid or a bid team anymore. Since the WARL was taken over by the nrl we no longer have the business people involved who were putting the bid together. That leaves potentially the Elias/Sage ticket but that would be a disaster imo.

Be interesting to see if the nrl would put a team in that they actually owned from day one and built it with a view of selling it in years to come?

Still a long way to go it seems. Im also concerned about us running an under 20’s. At the moment the best talent out of the SG Ball under 18’s is picked up by nrl systems on east coast. There is little left to run an under 20’s side and kids won’t stay in Perth if there is a direct path to an nrl club on offer over east.

Yes. That's the way it worked in Newcastle prior to their entry. You will find the tyranny of distance should work for the Pirates once a solid junior base has a top flight to play in. Players will be poached from various clubs. That's the nature of the beast!

 

[Perth Red]

Yes. That's the way it worked in Newcastle prior to their entry. You will find the tyranny of distance should work for the Pirates once a solid junior base has a top flight to play in. Players will be poached from various clubs. That's the nature of the beast!

Thant’s fine when there is an nrl club in the west to progress to but until then any decent 18/19year old is going to be heading east as is happening now, so wheres the talent for an under 20’s team going to come from? Only hope would be if it became a feeder team for an existing nrl club.

 

[Perth Red]

I would like to think that with such a expansion driven article and a obvious call for expansion bid teams that the Nrl/commission are receiving massive interest/calls. Hopefully Media, business and airline compianies top that list.

Agree that the name and colors are great and should be kept. The Nrl by now should know what a Nrl team requires.

• A strong financial backer that guarantees financial commitment
• number of sponsorship deals
• grassroot/local/state development systems
To name a few.

Wouldn’t think that should be to too hard to get from serious bid teams.

I think the 20’s issue you bring up can be fixed with incentives for WA players. Obviously has to be done right though.

Not too concerned with points 2&3,the cash convertors guy already said he’d committ to be main sponsor of a new club. Point 1 is a bigger concern given there are not many RL loving multi millionaires in Perth! Maybe loony Koucash will be involved lol