West Coast Pirates Bid News

[Timbo]

Injuries and plane travel don't mix . But I think he makes it pretty clear that travel is only a secondary issue.
“ “Forget wasting millions in rusted-on AFL states." what about this part?

Injuries and plane travel don’t mix?

Because they don’t do ACLs or get heavily concussed in AFL?

Also, that same argument could be used to invalidate the Cowboys - how long does it take them to travel to Melbourne, or Auckland?

It’s a cop out, plain and simple.

 

[tri_colours]

Injuries and plane travel don’t mix?

Because they don’t do ACLs or get heavily concussed in AFL?

Also, that same argument could be used to invalidate the Cowboys - how long does it take them to travel to Melbourne, or Auckland?

It’s a cop out, plain and simple.

It was a bit of a cop out. Its only a minor point .but a point none the less. One used to Back up his main argument!


A bit of

will fix up most AFL injuries.

 

[tri_colours]

That’s a very different statement than being worried about the financial sustainability of a perth club. What he said is that giving a nrl club in perth the nrl club grant would be a waste of money. He gives no argument why he thinks it would be a waste nor any acknowledgement of the massive return “wasting” money on a Melbourne club has brought the game. It was a dumb and poorly considered statement and should be a great cause of concern for fans of the game. Makes Smith not knowing the Australian capt or Beattie mistaking a jersey seem very trivial!

What he said is quoted!

A Melbourne club that lost money for 10 or 15 years. So appealing to the networks that they usually showed there games after midnight.

At a time when there primary concern is getting more money out of the networks at the next rights deal. would they be handing them another Melbourne type situation?

Its not really an earth shattering moment.

After months of wanting a decission Perth finally gets one....but, but, but not sugar coated enough.

 

[adamkungl]

The long term benefits of a 5-capital game far outweigh any extra investment the NRL would be required to put in.

Even if they put in a couple of million a year extra as an expansion grant, this is pocket change to them. They are a billion dollar business. They spend much larger amounts on social programs, web development, middle management, technology to increase refereeing accuracy by a small percentage, etc.
Investing in the growth of the competition is absolutely worthwhile.
Simply taking the guaranteed 130% cap club grant down to 115% would pay for 2 new clubs.
Extra revenue from nationwide advertising and sponsorship in addition to the 9th game would be profit which could then raise that funding up again.
Every well-managed club would see benefits from nationally exposed sponsorship opportunities.

That this is still up for debate is completely absurd. The benefits couldn't be more obvious yet the detractors continue to take up column inches with asinine arguments that don't hold up to even basic scrutiny, that every other professional and semi-professional sport on the planet manages to handle with ease.

 

[tri_colours]

The long term benefits of a 5-capital game far outweigh any extra investment the NRL would be required to put in.

Even if they put in a couple of million a year extra as an expansion grant, this is pocket change to them. They are a billion dollar business. They spend much larger amounts on social programs, web development, middle management, technology to increase refereeing accuracy by a small percentage, etc.
Investing in the growth of the competition is absolutely worthwhile.
Simply taking the guaranteed 130% cap club grant down to 115% would pay for 2 new clubs.
Extra revenue from nationwide advertising and sponsorship in addition to the 9th game would be profit which could then raise that funding up again.
Every well-managed club would see benefits from nationally exposed sponsorship opportunities.

That this is still up for debate is completely absurd. The benefits couldn't be more obvious yet the detractors continue to take up column inches with asinine arguments that don't hold up to even basic scrutiny, that every other professional and semi-professional sport on the planet manages to handle with ease.

The AFL puts more than $10m a year into the suns. Assuming rolls were reversed, It would mean next to no profit for quiet a few years. The game is not in a position at the moment to do that.

The only thing absurd here is people thinking we should be keeping pace with the AFL financially, after our commissions has been in place for barely 8 years..

 

[adamkungl]

The AFL puts more than $10m a year into the suns. Assuming rolls were reversed, It would mean next to no profit for quiet a few years. The game is not in a position at the moment to do that.

The AFL plonked 2 teams into places that were not asking for them, in regions that already had a team nearby.
They have pushed hard to buy success because it's the only way for these teams to become self-sustaining.
Perth has been working for this for over a decade and there is no top flight rugby team of either code within 3000km.

The requirement for instant success isn't there. An NRL club is cheaper to run than an AFL club (smaller squad size is one reason, and rivals not drawing 40k crowd averages is another)
and previous examples in Perth indicate that the initial uptake would be far healthier than GWS and Suns.

There would be no need for the NRL to put $10M a year into Perth. Probably would be ok with just the standard club grant. But a modest expansion fund would certainly accelerate things.

 

[taipan]

The AFL plonked 2 teams into places that were not asking for them, in regions that already had a team nearby.
They have pushed hard to buy success because it's the only way for these teams to become self-sustaining.
Perth has been working for this for over a decade and there is no top flight rugby team of either code within 3000km.

The requirement for instant success isn't there. An NRL club is cheaper to run than an AFL club (smaller squad size is one reason, and rivals not drawing 40k crowd averages is another)
and previous examples in Perth indicate that the initial uptake would be far healthier than GWS and Suns.

There would be no need for the NRL to put $10M a year into Perth. Probably would be ok with just the standard club grant. But a modest expansion fund would certainly accelerate things.

I am for a Perth team that's point 1.The fact the NRL wants NRL ,SOO and 9s played there is a fair indication that Perth is one area ripe for expansion.
However think the point being made, the AFL when they decided to plonk these extra teams in. they had a large sum of loot in the Bank.They got $780m over 5 years earlier on and we got $500m over 6 years, and Gallop got so excited over the poorer deal.
The GC wanted an AFL team ,West Sydney did not.

The Swans nearly went down the tube twice and then the AFL bought in, and were then gifted with SL ,which created a lot of negativity for rugby league.

People then bang on ,but SL happened 20 years ago.That is correct, but rugby league prior to SL had money in the Bank, est $20 plus million.that all went into deep players/managers' pockets.

If we have the money in the Bank, and the new bid clubs have the necessary sponsorship, fan support ,junior base then have 20 teams with a truly national comp.
The Titans in an area of 600k with a big junior league ,can't get the crowds even with a great stadium.
I just don't want to see any current club flicked and their supporter base lost)( ala Souths)just to accomodate extra teams.

And the big unknown for us all, is what the next TV deal will bring revenue wise.TV ads are down ratings are down across the board, retail is struggling,Foxtel is losing money and wants to flick union and A League is struggling.
We can sit down and say let's throw $10m here or there ,but wish it were so simple.

 

[Perth Red]

What he said is quoted!

A Melbourne club that lost money for 10 or 15 years. So appealing to the networks that they usually showed there games after midnight.

At a time when there primary concern is getting more money out of the networks at the next rights deal. would they be handing them another Melbourne type situation?


Its not really an earth shattering moment.

After months of wanting a decission Perth finally gets one....but, but, but not sugar coated enough.

Storm are one of the most valuable brands in the NRL, only behind the Broncos, they are the most watched club on Pay Tv and hand the NRL a GF victory in viewing audiences every year due to the growth in Melbourne viewers over the last two decades.

They arent handing the TV networks anything other than an opportunity to buy a ninth game of content every round. If that content is worth even half of what expansion will cost then its a good outcome that sets the game on a national growth path for the decades ahead. It will probably cost around $30mill a year for expansion. If they cant sell the extra content for close to that then we have real problems ahead if the media dont see value in more NRL content. I'd even be tempted to use the ninth game as exclusive content for the NRL digital strategy to drive direct subscriptions. It wont cover the full cost but could be a great driver for its own content future if that is the way they see it going.

No we didnt get a decision, we got a very poorly thought out and damaging brain fart by a guy whose been in the role for 2 minutes.

 

[Perth Red]

The AFL puts more than $10m a year into the suns. Assuming rolls were reversed, It would mean next to no profit for quiet a few years. The game is not in a position at the moment to do that.

The only thing absurd here is people thinking we should be keeping pace with the AFL financially, after our commissions has been in place for barely 8 years..

And they made more from the sale of extra content. NRL made a "profit" of $50million in first year of new tv deal. The moneys there if they choose to invest it.

 

[MrE_Assassin]

https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/documents/nrl-2018-annual-report_hr.pdf

An excert from the 2018 NRL Annual Report...

"While many people have views on expansion, we have never conducted the due dilligence needed to determine the best outcome for the game. So, the NRL Commission has asked the NRL Executive Team to look at the implications on broadcasting, participation, finances and attendances of expansion and to come back with a recommendation for future growth."
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If this is the criteria that they are looking at with regards to expansion then WA would have to be a bigger pro than con. I could only see the inclusion of a WA based NRL team to have more benefit to the game going forward if this is what they are looking at.

 

[tri_colours]

Storm are one of the most valuable brands in the NRL, only behind the Broncos, they are the most watched club on Pay Tv and hand the NRL a GF victory in viewing audiences every year due to the growth in Melbourne viewers over the last two decades. ^You seem to be missing the

They arent handing the TV networks anything other than an opportunity to buy a ninth game of content every round. If that content is worth even half of what expansion will cost then its a good outcome that sets the game on a national growth path for the decades ahead. It will probably cost around $30mill a year for expansion. If they cant sell the extra content for close to that then we have real problems ahead if the media dont see value in more NRL content. I'd even be tempted to use the ninth game as exclusive content for the NRL digital strategy to drive direct subscriptions. It wont cover the full cost but could be a great driver for its own content future if that is the way they see it going.

No we didnt get a decision, we got a very poorly thought out and damaging brain fart by a guy whose been in the role for 2 minutes.

And they made more from the sale of extra content. NRL made a "profit" of $50million in first year of new tv deal. The moneys there if they choose to invest it.

They did invest, they invested in digital - heavily. and the result are there to see. And now they have chosen to invest in a second Brisbane team - sounds like another winner.

 

[flippikat]

Does anyone here think there's a realistic chance that Greenberg and/or V'Landys will announce a Perth expansion team during the Nines weekend?

It would be a pleasant surprise to spring for that WA crowd.

 

[Perth Tiger]

Does anyone here think there's a realistic chance that Greenberg and/or V'Landys will announce a Perth expansion team during the Nines weekend?

It would be a pleasant surprise to spring for that WA crowd.

During Origin would of been the time to do that, all of Perth was interested then. The 9s haven't had much traction outside of RL circles I have found.

I would say they still have no idea what they are going to do with the new rights/expansion.

 

[Perth Red]

Does anyone here think there's a realistic chance that Greenberg and/or V'Landys will announce a Perth expansion team during the Nines weekend?

It would be a pleasant surprise to spring for that WA crowd.

Buckleys

 

[Perth Red]

Does anyone here think there's a realistic chance that Greenberg and/or V'Landys will announce a Perth expansion team during the Nines weekend?

It would be a pleasant surprise to spring for that WA crowd.

How do you see the adding of one team bringing in more revenue to the NRL? Do you expect Tv audiences to go up significantly in Brisbane because of the new team being added? Adding Brisbane2 on their own is more of a financial risk imo as there is no extra content to sell and it will cost the NRL $13million a year.

 

[flippikat]

How do you see the adding of one team bringing in more revenue to the NRL? Do you expect Tv audiences to go up significantly in Brisbane because of the new team being added?

"Thank you all for turning out here in the wonderful city of Perth for this extravaganza of rugby league. Let me take the opportunity to announce today that the NRL will be expanding in 2023 with the addition of two clubs.
I can confirm that of those clubs will be the West Coast Pirates, based here in Perth. The other expansion club will be confirmed by the end of this year.
We come to Perth today as a show of our renewed commitment to expand the game..."

Etc etc...

Well, that's how I'd do it.

 

[Perth Red]

I hope V'landys comes, be fun to give him some stick!

 

[Nuke]

Origin time last year was the time to do it. I can't see it happening during the Nines.

 

[MrE_Assassin]

"Thank you all for turning out here in the wonderful city of Perth for this extravaganza of rugby league. Let me take the opportunity to announce today that the NRL will be expanding in 2023 with the addition of two clubs.
I can confirm that of those clubs will be the West Coast Pirates, based here in Perth. The other expansion club will be confirmed by the end of this year.
We come to Perth today as a show of our renewed commitment to expand the game..."

Etc etc...

Well, that's how I'd do it.

“Thank you, Perth for hosting this year’s 9s tournament. It has been an incredible showcase of Rugby League over three days.

The Commissioner and I would like to take this opportunity to reinforce the NRLs commitment to Perth by announcing that it will move more club games to Perth over the next 10 years, recommitting an Origin game to Perth each year for the next 5 years, and continuing the festival of football that is the NRL 9s for the next 3 years.

Cue booing from the Perth public, beer bottles and flares thrown at Greenberg and VL, Optus stadium torn apart out of frustration.

That’s a more likely scenario.

 

[Perth Red]

“Thank you, Perth for hosting this year’s 9s tournament. It has been an incredible showcase of Rugby League over three days.

The Commissioner and I would like to take this opportunity to reinforce the NRLs commitment to Perth by announcing that it will move more club games to Perth over the next 10 years, recommitting an Origin game to Perth each year for the next 5 years, and continuing the festival of football that is the NRL 9s for the next 3 years.

Cue booing from the Perth public, beer bottles and flares thrown at Greenberg and VL, Optus stadium torn apart out of frustration.

That’s a more likely scenario.

much more likely is he announces they are still exploring expansion and the nrl is committed to growing the game but that doesn’t necessarily mean more teams and perth will continue to be important (as long as the WA give keeps throwing money at us even though our chair has just stated he thinks you’re a waste of time)