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"Wests Tigers are most vulnerable"

siv

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No Tigers in the competition and I won't be watching. How the f**k am I supposed to support another team when I equally hate all other 15 teams as much as each other and their s**t players.

Welcome to how everyone felt during the SL War and culling years
 

siv

First Grade
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Certain people seem to think League is a product(like a phone or tv) and we'll switch brands so we can still have one. They don't take into account that we follow the club as much as the sport. There is a lot of emotional investment going on.

They learnt the hard way that fans follow their club not the sport

In 2000 80,000 people marched in protest to highlight that very point
 

Pommy

Coach
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They learnt the hard way that fans follow their club not the sport

In 2000 80,000 people marched in protest to highlight that very point

The problem is people don't support their clubs. People are just watching sport on TV and with the advent of fast speed internet you are not limited as to which sports and teams you chose to spend your time and money on.
People develop life long love for teams by attending as a child, the figures don't really suggest this is happening in Sydney at the moment. If kids are only watching on TV why would they chose an NRL club over a NBA/NFL/EPL side?
 

hutch

First Grade
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Piss the warriors off.

They're shit
It's not the IRL.

Their good players will just come here anyway.

It's this kind of thinking which does nothing for rugby league. We should be planning for a second nz team already.


Its time to stop playing games here there and everywhere. We need one home ground, either the new Parra or updated ANZ. The current set up is ridiculous.

The current setup has worked for over a decade. We have always been in the top few crowd averages in Sydney and were the top last year.
4 games in Leichhardt is for the fans. Balmain had a bigger following than the magpies, they brought a lot more fans to the club, we get great crowds there and it is traditionally the spiritual home of Balmain and the wests tigers.
ANZ, although currently a sh*thole is important for big games against other big Sydney teams. Statistically teams get bigger crowds at Homebush than anywhere else (despite what is being banded around in the media). With the redevelopment and reciprocal members entry, big Sydney games will get bigger crowds.
4 games at Campbelltown for the future. Traditionally games there have not consistently drawn well but the tigers need to put a lot more effort into making their presence felt in the area. Maybe a training centre of excellence will change that, maybe a shiny new permanent home ground is the answer but unless we get a purpose built $100 million stadium there than basing the wests tigers there full time will be as about as popular as the magpies were.
 

gallagher

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It's this kind of thinking which does nothing for rugby league. We should be planning for a second nz team already.




The current setup has worked for over a decade. We have always been in the top few crowd averages in Sydney and were the top last year.
4 games in Leichhardt is for the fans. Balmain had a bigger following than the magpies, they brought a lot more fans to the club, we get great crowds there and it is traditionally the spiritual home of Balmain and the wests tigers.
ANZ, although currently a sh*thole is important for big games against other big Sydney teams. Statistically teams get bigger crowds at Homebush than anywhere else (despite what is being banded around in the media). With the redevelopment and reciprocal members entry, big Sydney games will get bigger crowds.
4 games at Campbelltown for the future. Traditionally games there have not consistently drawn well but the tigers need to put a lot more effort into making their presence felt in the area. Maybe a training centre of excellence will change that, maybe a shiny new permanent home ground is the answer but unless we get a purpose built $100 million stadium there than basing the wests tigers there full time will be as about as popular as the magpies were.
I'd argue crowds at LO and Campbo have pulled our crowd figures down.

Would you ignore the new Parra Stadium? I think it will be madness for us not to play all our games there. It will be the best stadium in sydney and the best centrally located ground to the majority of our fans.
 

carcharias

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RL is a pimple on the arse of world sport
We like it
Nobody else on the planet does.

Like Canadian ice hockey
I doubt I've ever watched a game
Pommie soccer
American footy
Irish hurling???
Same goes
I don't give a shit about them
People in other countries are the same about RL
Shit
I've watched maybe 2 games of Aussie rules in my life
It's not what I've been bought up on
So I don't care.

Never will.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

First Grade
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If you are a player, you generally try to live somewhere close to your home base.

Would you rather be living in Campbelltown or concord?

Seems like a better idea to get the investment into Leichhardt...

It might save the ground from collapsing. And even if Leichhardt becomes unusable for the NRL, it keeps it a part of the clubs general existence.

And its clearly easier to get players to sign when they are living in the Inner West compared to the SW....

(and if LO isnt an option, why not Wests old grounds; Pratten or Lidcombe IIRC)
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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They NSWRL had their chance in the 80s to rationalise the comp. they tried but gave up with little reluctance. I think there was a move from the BRL to make a national comp with the top Sydney and Brisbane clubs but someone with more knowledge could shed some light on that. Imagine a national comp that started in the 80s with six Sydney clubs, three Brisbane clubs plus Newcastle, Canberra and Illawarra.

BRL suggested a combined comp. I think the idea was 3 or 4 Brissy teams and the top few Sydney teams (dont remember how many).

NSWRL said "no, but you can run the a new Brisbane team in our comp".

RL is basically the history of missed opportunities. They could have merged the 4 top Brissy teams with the 6-8 top sydney teams (which would have prevented the one Brisbane team getting so strong they could cause f*cking Super League). From that base, we could have gone on with strategic regional/interstate expansion teams. And this would probably have ended in a Independent Comission to keep the NSW-Qld tensions at bay.

Instead we have a shit heap of Syndey clubs, a criminally under utilised Brisbane market and a IC with no authority because its so f*cking new....
 

Perth Red

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Lol at Elias death riding the Tigers harder than I do Cronulla! This guy is desperate to be involved with a team in Perth, keep the cowboy away please!
 

This Year?

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That's simply not true.

Apart from the Broncos and the Storm News threw all the other clubs out to fend for themselves after they decided to merge the SL with the ARL to create the NRL.
The Warriors, Panthers and the Sharks came within a bees dick of being cut and would have been if it wasn't for the head start that they got financially from joining SL or in the Warriors case a rich benefactor starting a new club, buying the Warriors name, apply to join the NRL, and throwing money at them at the last second.

I'd also like to point out that the Reds, Rams and Mariners all had an S on their jerseys, none of them got looked after.



It is false because the Dragons and the Steelers being merged had nothing to do with making space for the Storm, that space had already been made with the sacrifice of the Rams, Mariners, and to a lesser extent the Reds as well.

The merger of the Dragons and the Steelers was an exercise in allowing the Dragons to swallow the Steelers whole so that they could meet the criteria and justify their existence in the new competition, the only people wronged in that merger were the Steelers because they were effectively murdered so the Dragons could continue and all in the name of tradition and history.



And maybe you would understand my point of view better if your club had been killed outright instead of being allowed to enter into a convoluted and frankly stupid arrangement that is a merger, and particularly the Dragons-Steelers merger.

Sure it's disappointing for you that your club in the case of the Dragons they had to murder another club and pretend to give a f##k about the club that you murdered so that you could survive, but at least you still have a club running around even if it is a distorted mess of a merger, the same cannot be said by the Chargers, Crushers, Rams, or Reds fans can it!

So when you really get down to it if you had to choose between merger and death (which I agree was a stupid choice, but it was effectively what was offered at the time) which would you prefer? Because I'm sure there're a few people around in Perth, Brisbane, and Adelaide that'd be happy to take the Dragons spot in the competition from them if you'd prefer to change your mind.




I don't disagree with that the 'peace deals' were stupidly implemented and rushed, I've already talked about how I would have done it differently.

Where we disagree is your suggestion that Sydney clubs were some how hard done by when every concession possible was made to make sure that as many of them as possible survived at the expense of clubs outside of Sydney.



What exactly gives the Dragons a divine right to be in the NRL/ARL/NSWRL but doesn't give other clubs such as the Crushers that divine right?

Is it the fact that they were allowed into the competition first? Because if that were true then shouldn't Glebes' or Annandales' spots in the competition be even more sacrosanct then the Dragons?
I think that we can both agree that Glebe and Annandale being dropped so that the sport could be given the opportunity to grow in St. George and Canterbury was a good thing?

But now that we need a few more club to be dropped so that the sport can be allowed to grow in other places (a need we've had since at least the 80's I might add), and logically those clubs should come from Sydney, nobody wants to stand up and be counted anymore.



Apart from in the cases of the Rabbitohs, Crushers, and arguably Manly, Wests, Balmain, and a few of the other older Sydney clubs, that's not really true, but I don't really want to get into that right now.



I know the reason why the Mariners were put in Newcastle, it's because when News set out to take over RL in this country Newcastle was recognised as a key market that they had to takeover, and despite their best efforts to attract the Knights over to SL whom were offered some of the best deals of any team to join SL by the time that things fell through, they couldn't convince them to jump ship, so in a desperate attempt to maintain a presence in Newcastle and hopefully take over the market eventually they created the Mariners.

When SL was started the Mariners were never intended to be introduced and the Rams were intended to be an expansion club that joined along with the Storm in 98 or 99, it was always intended that in a perfect world the Knights and Bears would join SL, obviously that didn't happen, however if it had then I reckon we'd be talking about SL right now and not the NRL.

There're rumours that News was so certain of the Knights joining that they had jerseys and other gear made for them to use and that that gear was given to the Rams to use when they were fast tracked to enter SL in 97, don't know if that's true though.



It doesn't have to be Sydney-centric though! With a few relatively small changes that could be changed and potentially that could be changed without anybody having to be merged, relocated, or having to close their doors.

And frankly who is being greedy, the people that want to spread the game to as many people as possible or the people that want to keep it all to themselves in Sydney!
We can't continuously expand the competition forever, changes are going to have to be made to the structure and make up of the competition every now and again unless we want it to grow to big and collapse in on it's self, and at the moment the most sensible option for the NRL is to reduce the number of clubs in Sydney.



Who says that we have end the history of the Tigers?
I'm certainly not saying that, frankly I don't have all the information necessary to make a decision on which clubs should be dropped and which shouldn't, and even if I was the one making the decision I'd make sure that none of them were killed off, merged, or relocated, simply dropped into the second tier.

I wouldn't want any club killed off, merged, relocated or dropped into second tier either. I understand your point about clubs being a business, but like someone else said alienating more RL fans will only be a detriment to the growth of the game even if it's seen as being "for the greater good". Your posts in this thread have been a wealth of info for people who are fans of rugby league post SL war,
 

magpie_man

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If the NRL were to cut/relocate the Tigers it would the pièce de résistance from a sporting organisation who's chief output is stupidity.
No NSW team should be cut or relocated; those suggesting so have an asinine comprehension of the sporting landscape in this state and need to stop sipping on the News Ltd Kool-Aid.
With the proper academy and development systems in place - as well as club funding models - there is no reason why the NRL can't expand to 18-24 teams with a good representation of most of the major population centres in Australia and New Zealand whilst also looking-after its heartlands.
There is ample playing talent in the Pacific Islands, Papua New Guinea, New Zealand, England, France and the Australian rugby league nurseries to fill the rosters of all the clubs and have them playing at a high standard - the ore is there, the refineries just need to be put in place.
 

Timbo

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BRL suggested a combined comp. I think the idea was 3 or 4 Brissy teams and the top few Sydney teams (dont remember how many).

NSWRL said "no, but you can run the a new Brisbane team in our comp".

RL is basically the history of missed opportunities. They could have merged the 4 top Brissy teams with the 6-8 top sydney teams (which would have prevented the one Brisbane team getting so strong they could cause f*cking Super League). From that base, we could have gone on with strategic regional/interstate expansion teams. And this would probably have ended in a Independent Comission to keep the NSW-Qld tensions at bay.

Instead we have a shit heap of Syndey clubs, a criminally under utilised Brisbane market and a IC with no authority because its so f*cking new....

Seeing the same thing happen with union right now.

Union was always a niche sport but it's strength was the Sydney and Brisbane grade competitions. And it had been for a hundred years. It was where the die-hards followed the sport and kept it alive.

So what'd they do? Created a new 'national club comp' and said 'hey everyone, follow this'. Now what was once a niche sport is on the edge of irrelevance because nobody cares about the generic, made-up teams they've been offered.
 

carcharias

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I clearly recall many people in here calling for the sharks to be cut.

If any team is cut it should be outside of Sydney.

Warriors
Melb

Lets face it
They both have massive areas to gather support from
They basically have no RL competition
Sure there other codes but those people can support two codes.
I wouldn't but I'm sure there is the odd person who'd support the only team in their city or country.

Yet
Neither have really been more than a waste of money.
 

taipan

Referee
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Lol at Elias death riding the Tigers harder than I do Cronulla! This guy is desperate to be involved with a team in Perth, keep the cowboy away please!

You pretend to deathride the Sharks, but you are really only trying to be a D grade comedian, whose jokes are two hours behind those of the audience.
 

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