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What do England do now?

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Ok, people of the forum,

Imagine for a moment that you are a Pom. You have a ruddy complexion, your dentist abandonned you in the great denistry desertion of 74', you bemoan thatthe English language has become bastardised through poor education and apathy in the colonies while overlooking the incoherence and slang-riddled speech of many of your compatriots, you have multiple incarnations of Australia's worst paper the telegraph, and in fact most of these are more salacious, and at one stage you elected John Major into government.

The way you approach Sports spectating is also noteworthy. As a Pom you inherit a great legacy of cynicism, skepticism, self-doubt, pessimism and ism, ism which are imbued in the English psyche. One benefit of this way of thinking is that you become adept in the art of self-deprecating humour.
You can also be smug that invariably you were right for not placing any in behind your stars. But remember, while you have no faith you still possess great expectations.

Changing perspectives momentarily, as an English sportsperson of any skill or repute you might be singled out to be burdened with the collective expectations of 60 million voracious, ruddy faced Poms and several acrimonious newspaper editors waiting for you to fall so that they can run that cutting but incredibly witty headline that they have had waiting for the past 2 months. If you think that a lack of personality will delvier you from such a fate, think again. If you think that having no conceivable chance of winning will spare you from this cruel circus, think again.

Returning to your average Billy Pom, not the one who plays tennis and never wins but the one who gets a morbid satisfaction when the nobody in the middle never wins, you will not make any positive prediction before a match begins because you are extremely self-conscious and don't want to look like an idiot if your confidence amounts to nothing. During the course of a game you are less circumspect, you get carried away with the ebbing and flowing of the contest and make a series of bold proclamations inevitably followed by the sober retractions. In the evnt that you win you are understandably intoxicated with joy and crappy Newcastle ale and the headline writers are in such an unfamiliar position that they can only come up with a rushed and banal headline like 'Henman aces the Bemuda Open.'

A loss is the more realistic proposition. You initially unleash your contempt for the team/player and occasionally turn your spite in the direction of the flamboyant and camp Switz referee and you flood his website with abuse. You also scorn the country of the victorious team/player of being over-zealous and infatuated with sports at the expense of arts and intellectual pursuits. After this period of venting your frustration has elapsed you remind yourself that you were indeed right for placing no faith in the team and continue to read the tabloids to find sports news in its accustomed form at page 1 or in the social pages, following the wacky adventures of Becks +Posh+ Spanish nanny or Rooney+ Chav girlthingy.


Now England + their fans are faced with a conundrum.

Do they

(a) Continue their brilliant momentum + embrace this unusual confidence by going for the win. 3-1 would sound lovely.

(b) Hope that Les Parker Jr, curator at the Oval prepares a road so that they can play for the draw.

Or similarly,

(c) Hope that it rains.

(d) Go into the game with a pessimistic outlook so that their hopes will not be dashed when they lose. After all a drawn series in enough to stem the run of 18 consecutive years of losing ashes campaigns.
 

fish eel

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they prepare a highway, and in their first innings bat for as long as humanly possible.
 
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I can see the wisdom in preparing a highway. Only concern is if Australia win the toss you have given them a great wicket to make 450+ on and put pressure on your side.
England have to keep playing to win, if they play to draw, knowing Australia are playing to win at all costs, they are inviting trouble.
 

dice

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B and C.

Also:
E) Hope that blatant dodgy arse decisions that would have otherwise given Australia a a possible 3 or 4 nil lead continue to go their way.
F) Hope that the match referee continues to turn a blind eye to their blatant cheating in resting their bowlers before each spell.
 

fish eel

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dice said:
B and C.

Also:
E) Hope that blatant dodgy arse decisions that would have otherwise given Australia a a possible 3 or 4 nil lead continue to go their way.
F) Hope that the match referee continues to turn a blind eye to their blatant cheating in resting their bowlers before each spell.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Tommy Smith

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dice said:
B and C.

Also:
E) Hope that blatant dodgy arse decisions that would have otherwise given Australia a a possible 3 or 4 nil lead continue to go their way.
F) Hope that the match referee continues to turn a blind eye to their blatant cheating in resting their bowlers before each spell.
Cry me a river.

Or what about G) learn how to bat and bowl in the first innings; stop crying about sub fielders which have been used for years as Dean Jones said; stop taking suicidal runs; learn to catch; know when to replace hacks - Gillespie and Hayden; get someone who at the least has SOME idea how to captain a cricket side, i.e. know something about field placings; and stop talking the talk (i.e. England are still average says Buchanan, the pressure is on England says Warne blah blah blah) and finally start walking the walk!
 
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I think the only way England will win the ashes is if they continue to take it up to Australia. If they play negatively and put pressure on themselves to just not lose the test, then they will more than likely blow it. If they go out there to win it, then they won't be stopped.
 

fish eel

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yeah, if the poms bat first, they should try and bat well into the second day. no declarations.

if the bowl, go on the attack, try and skittle us on the first day.

Then bat for 2 days.
 

dice

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Tommy Smith said:
Cry me a river.

Or what about G) learn how to bat and bowl in the first innings; stop crying about sub fielders which have been used for years as Dean Jones said; stop taking suicidal runs; learn to catch; know when to replace hacks - Gillespie and Hayden; get someone who at the least has SOME idea how to captain a cricket side, i.e. know something about field placings; and stop talking the talk (i.e. England are still average says Buchanan, the pressure is on England says Warne blah blah blah) and finally start walking the walk!

English dominance is nothing more than a fallacy aided by dubious umpiring and blatant cheating. Despite being the weakest aussie team in years if 50/50 calls went 50/50 and 100/0 calls went 100/0 aussies would be up 3 or 4 nil. Little doubt about that yet all the poms are already on their high horse.
 

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dice said:
English dominance is nothing more than a fallacy aided by dubious umpiring and blatant cheating. Despite being the weakest aussie team in years if 50/50 calls went 50/50 and 100/0 calls went 100/0 aussies would be up 3 or 4 nil. Little doubt about that yet all the poms are already on their high horse.

More truer words have not been spoken!
 

camsmith

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Tommy Smith said:
stop crying about sub fielders which have been used for years as Dean Jones said

But its not good cricket to put specialist fielders in fielding positions while your bowlers/lazy captain is off having a rest.


Tommy Smith said:
learn to catch

Lol both sides have been awful at that

Tommy Smith said:
know when to replace hacks - Gillespie and Hayden;
Thats why Gillespie is in the stands not in the field...


Tommy Smith said:
get someone who at the least has SOME idea how to captain a cricket side, i.e. know something about field placings;

If we had a bit of luck ponting would be the captain of a side who is 3 - 0 up and field positions wouldnt be an issue, if you're winning, everyone hails your field positions, if your losing.. obviously its the opposite. Vaughan has done a few stupid things in the past..

He did make a mistake by bowling first in game 2 (?) i'll give you that.


Tommy Smith said:
and stop talking the talk (i.e. England are still average says Buchanan, the pressure is on England says Warne blah blah blah) and finally start walking the walk!

We still think England are an average team, think of how bad the Aussies have played, yet came so close to winning both games we lost. It doesnt say much about England when they are just scraping home in both wins and the Aussies are playing about 75% as good as they could be. Oh it also helps when our best bowler isnt playing.

Lets just wait for the next test to see if we can walk the walk.
 

Tommy Smith

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Keep it up boys. This sour grapes approach is hilarious and only adds to the glory of whooping your sorry arses.

My my, i didnt realise just what a bunch of sooks some of you could be.

Its GOLD!

Gold Jerry, GOLD!!!
 

Tommy Smith

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camsmith said:
But its not good cricket to put specialist fielders in fielding positions while your bowlers/lazy captain is off having a rest.




Lol both sides have been awful at that

Thats why Gillespie is in the stands not in the field...




If we had a bit of luck ponting would be the captain of a side who is 3 - 0 up and field positions wouldnt be an issue, if you're winning, everyone hails your field positions, if your losing.. obviously its the opposite. Vaughan has done a few stupid things in the past..

He did make a mistake by bowling first in game 2 (?) i'll give you that.




We still think England are an average team, think of how bad the Aussies have played, yet came so close to winning both games we lost. It doesnt say much about England when they are just scraping home in both wins and the Aussies are playing about 75% as good as they could be. Oh it also helps when our best bowler isnt playing.

Lets just wait for the next test to see if we can walk the walk.
What doesnt? That we're up 2-1 vs Australia?

You're probably right. If we were up against a side like Bangldesh im sure our performance would be much more credible.
 

[furrycat]

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Boo f**king hoo

Australia have sucked lately... There is no doubt... That coming from me, then it must be true, as I don't like to criticise the team as a whole...

But 25 no balls? Give me a break. That's not the umpires fault.
 

tiburon

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camsmith said:
Uhh look at the no balls bowled by Flintoff, why nothing on that?


That's because he takes wickets and scores runs.


dice said:
English dominance is nothing more than a fallacy aided by dubious umpiring and blatant cheating. Despite being the weakest aussie team in years if 50/50 calls went 50/50 and 100/0 calls went 100/0 aussies would be up 3 or 4 nil. Little doubt about that yet all the poms are already on their high horse.


Dubious umpiring? Blatant cheating? Weakest Aussie side in years?
Hahahahaha.
The umpiring has actually been pretty average to both sides, yes the poms may have got a few (but not many more) decisions going their way (as most home sides do) but claiming that is the reason they have won two tests is a joke.

I fail to see what blatant cheating they have also used. The whole fielding subs has also been used by the Australians on many occasions.
Yes Tremlett is named 12th man but as the Aussies often do when they are playing at home they release him to his state side so he can play for them and then use local state players as subs, so I don't see the problem?
Simon Jones was in hospital for crying out loud and Hodge also has taken more than one catch for the Aussies in this series as a sub and spent quite a bit of time on the field also; is that cheating?

You have to be joking about the weakest Aussie side in years when we whitewashed NZ everyone was saying how great this side is and how the poms were next 5-0 etc.etc. Our problem is:
1) we got rid of Lillee as Buchanan believed he could coach all the bowlers better with his computer or whatever sh*t he believed.
2) we have a captain running the show who three-quarters of the time seems to have no idea what's going on with his sh*tty field placings and his whole negative mentality.
3) we seem to have gone from the all-conquering overly aggressive S.Waugh Australian side to a more defensive don't use slips R.Ponting side.


The poms have finally put everything together and for that they have to be given some credit. Even though we are down 2-1 I have immensely enjoyed this series over any other Ashes in many years. Vaughan actually has played with a brain in his head and played positively. The pom bowlers have been aggressive and have learnt that to fight this fiery Australian attack you have to fight back with fire. They have learnt that the best form of cricket is attack and all in all it's making for a damn fine Ashes.
 

dice

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tiburon said:
yes the poms may have got a few (but not many more) decisions going their way

Thankyou for agreeing with me. In a series where the poms have won two test matches by three run and three wickets the decision bias would have been enough to tilt both tests the aussies way.
 
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