What do the Warriors need to win a premiership?

[Diesel]

Regardless of his perception, Elliott got rid of Packer and is weeding out some of the bad attitude players.

Elliott seems to be brought in to fix the place up/change attitudes. The culture at the Warriors needed to change.

He may not take the Warriors to a premiership but he's putting some good decisions into practice.

 

[Diesel]

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[hardbaby]

Change of culture. The Warriors accept mediocrity. They need to be much fitter, much more disciplined and not smile away their losses. Huge advantage being the only kiwi league team. They effectively represent their country every time they run onto the field but they sure as hell don't play that way. The Warriors will come good eventually and when they do, will be in the Top 4 more often than not.

 

[Rod]

1. Mentally weak.

2. Players seem to think they're god's gift. Being the only team in NZ might have something to do with this, seems to be an attitude that they'll still have plenty of fans so wins/losses can be shrugged off.

3. Lack of hard-nosed players, particularly forwards, who are prepared to knuckle down, cut the bullshit and get stuck in. Badly need a Kevin Campion or even Jeremy Smith type to lead the way in this area on a weekly basis.

As you can see most of their problems are mental/discipline related rather than lack of on-field talent or personnel.

 

[warrior poet]

the best thing to happen to the warriors would be to have a second kiwi team admitted. at the moment they seem to think that even if they lose they will still have the fans and sponsors etc and be the best team in nz. give us a second team and they will have to compete to keep their position as the KIWI team.
we have had the players (jones, price, wiki, bell, vatuvei, johnson, mannering, toopi, meli, lauiti'iti, tate, seuseu, hohaia, matulino, locke, witt, mckinnon, webb, luck, campion, fien, cleary, swann, ridge, ellis, kirwan, botica, rapira, friend, betts, platt, eru, kearney, blake, hoppe, ngamu, alexander, t.ropati, j.ropati, simon, guttenbeil, t.tuimavave, villasanti, paleaaesina, betham, lauaki, fa'afili, tookey, marsh, v.anderson, l.anderson, t.leuluai, fai, mateo, inu, lillyman, maloney, hurrell) and coaches (monie, cleary, endacott, mcclennan) but if they had to compete with other kiwis for talent, fans and sponsors it may just affect there egos enough to get them to win the comp.
the biggest thing that i've noticed over the years (been supporting them since '95) is that they always seem to be too egotistical which does seem to affect there performances... it's like they seem to turn up expecting to win.
in saying that i can honestly say with 100% confidence that we will win the comp this year..... (if we don't i will deny making this statement!)

 

[Canard]

1. Mentally weak.

2. Players seem to think they're god's gift. Being the only team in NZ might have something to do with this, seems to be an attitude that they'll still have plenty of fans so wins/losses can be shrugged off.

3. Lack of hard-nosed players, particularly forwards, who are prepared to knuckle down, cut the bullshit and get stuck in. Badly need a Kevin Campion or even Jeremy Smith type to lead the way in this area on a weekly basis.

As you can see most of their problems are mental/discipline related rather than lack of on-field talent or personnel.

Yes, having all those teams in Sydney has really helped players keep there egos in check, and drive them to be constantly winning.

 

[rabbitohs95]

Consistency, consistency, consistency.

They're a team that relies on on a game plan revolving around big plays rather than one percenters, which is of course why they've been so inconsistent.

If they had a Maguire/Hasler/Bennett type of coach and build a squad around a simple game plan, in a few years they could lift the trophy.

 

[gcbronco]

Don't go running for the Shark's advice that's for sure.

 

[Rosetta]

Luck. (not Michael)

 

[tumbidragon]

Pretty sure they'd do ok if Parra and the Stains didn't get pinged.

Nah, warriors are our bunny Some may say we're a...stain... on their record..

 

[Diesel]

Consistency, consistency, consistency.

They're a team that relies on on a game plan revolving around big plays rather than one percenters, which is of course why they've been so inconsistent.

If they had a Maguire/Hasler/Bennett type of coach and build a squad around a simple game plan, in a few years they could lift the trophy.

There was talk of Elliott only continuing until the end of 2014 and then to step aside to allow another coach to step in while he takes on another role at the Warriors. There was talk of Warne (Wigan coach) or McFaddin (assistant coach). Elliott has coped a lot of crap in Australia but he seemed to have done some good things in NZ so far, (I say so far because his first year records at Canberra/Penrith were impressive both other years were not) and if the structures/cultural changes stay in place then this will be a turning point for the Warriors... Time will tell

 

[GongPanther]

I can see the Warriors winning the comp within the next 2 to 4 years.

Elliott has begun to waken the beast over there and they should be the dark horse of the comp for the next few years.

 

[WellsNZ]

Better talent scouting. the Aussie clubs are loaded with kiwi talent that if identified by the Warriors first would make them a powerhouse.

Half of our side in 2013 were born in NZ. If they'd kept a few of them for themselves they'd be in good shape.

They've been easily the most dominant under 20s side over recent years so clearly they've been doing a pretty swell job on that front. They can't keep all of the good young New Zealanders, there's only so many spots to go around, each year they lose good players from those Under 20 teams that start looking elsewhere for opportunities.

The problem is culture and consistency. They need to identify a coach who they are willing to commit to for a long stretch and say right you've got the wheel, straighten this boat out. They can't be chopping coaches all over the place trying to put a band-aid over bigger problems, same thing was happening last season they were losing and everyone called for Elliott's head. Once you've installed that coach, then he can actually do things like drop a name player if he isn't putting in the effort instead of needing to worry about having the best guy on the field each week lest he loses the game and gets fired. The power needs to shift from the players to the coaches, the players need to start being held accountable when they turn up and play like complete shit instead of everyone pointing to the coach. These players have been babied for years now, they made the Grand Final a few years ago so apparently it's obviously not the players fault and it's clearly problems with the coaching.

They are loaded with up and down players like Johnson, Hurrell, Mateo, Vatuvei who some games look like the best in the world then the next week can look dreadful. It would be great for them if Townsend could develop into a solid half who can steer them around the park, that would go a long way.

 

[God-King Dean]

the best thing to happen to the warriors would be to have a second kiwi team admitted. at the moment they seem to think that even if they lose they will still have the fans and sponsors etc and be the best team in nz. give us a second team and they will have to compete to keep their position as the KIWI team.
we have had the players (jones, price, wiki, bell, vatuvei, johnson, mannering, toopi, meli, lauiti'iti, tate, seuseu, hohaia, matulino, locke, witt, mckinnon, webb, luck, campion, fien, cleary, swann, ridge, ellis, kirwan, botica, rapira, friend, betts, platt, eru, kearney, blake, hoppe, ngamu, alexander, t.ropati, j.ropati, simon, guttenbeil, t.tuimavave, villasanti, paleaaesina, betham, lauaki, fa'afili, tookey, marsh, v.anderson, l.anderson, t.leuluai, fai, mateo, inu, lillyman, maloney, hurrell) and coaches (monie, cleary, endacott, mcclennan) but if they had to compete with other kiwis for talent, fans and sponsors it may just affect there egos enough to get them to win the comp.
the biggest thing that i've noticed over the years (been supporting them since '95) is that they always seem to be too egotistical which does seem to affect there performances... it's like they seem to turn up expecting to win.
in saying that i can honestly say with 100% confidence that we will win the comp this year..... (if we don't i will deny making this statement!)

Best reason thus far.

Media pressure is hell of a thing. I don't know what it's like over there, but I've always got the impression they have had none whatsoever.

Seems to be a boys club over there, & no ones ever called them out on it.

 

[Diesel]

This agreement with Wigan they seem to have could be beneficial and hopefully bring some professionalism to the club that has been missing

I have to agree with the boys club mentality that it has never been called out on and they still can draw 10k to a home game against a low drawing crowd in a bad season so they still get media and fan attention.

With Owen Glenn as part owner I'm starting to see a few changes to the club for the better

 

[Perth Red]

Play in the ESL. Their style of play is far more suited to the English game.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Can't make it in the premier rugby league comp so go play in the shithouse English league, sounds good :lol:

We can bring back North Sydney that way.

 

[Canard]

Best reason thus far.

Media pressure is hell of a thing. I don't know what it's like over there, but I've always got the impression they have had none whatsoever.

Seems to be a boys club over there, & no ones ever called them out on it.

What about Newcastle, Brisbane, Melbourne etc.

Seems more a perception than a reality.

 

[Skinner]

Best reason thus far.

Media pressure is hell of a thing. I don't know what it's like over there, but I've always got the impression they have had none whatsoever.

Seems to be a boys club over there, & no ones ever called them out on it.

Think you are pretty close there Dean. I still say that they are light years away from winning a premiership. I'm happy to give Elliot a real go, he may be the coach that can turn them around. They did show good signs last season.

 

[Rod]

What about Newcastle, Brisbane, Melbourne etc.

Seems more a perception than a reality.

I don't think citing other one-team cities negates what may or may not be happening at the Warriors. Every team, city and environment is different, especially a team in a whole different country.

Dean makes a good point about the boys club IMO, and it's a point I tried to make on the previous page but didn't word it as succintly. I too often get that perception of the Warriors, particularly given I live in NZ but support a team other than the Warriors. The way the Warriors are perceived by the public and the media over here I always find quite interesting, and I don't think the players get called out on half the bullshit they should get called out on. I very much agree with WellsNZ's point about the coach having all the accountability and the players mostly having none also.

3. Lack of hard-nosed players, particularly forwards, who are prepared to knuckle down, cut the bullshit and get stuck in. Badly need a Kevin Campion or even Jeremy Smith type to lead the way in this area on a weekly basis..

Just to expand on this, I know most of us seem to agree that the Warriors problem isn't lack of on-field talent, but I reckon I recognise the problem they have in this area because the Knights had the same problem. Bennett probably said it best when he said that you get off the bus and wonder if the opposing team lost any sleep over you the night before. The 'big and fearsome' Warriors pack is a myth created by commentators that maybe used to be true 5 years ago but isn't any more. There's no Campion, Wiki or Price anymore. Mannering seems decent enough but is he the kind of guy who will rip into the other players if they're not putting in? Who are their enforcers/leaders now?

Do Warriors fans think that is fair? Personally I think it's a real problem for them.