What now Paul Osborne

[mrpwnd]

That's BS....our attack inside the opposition was attrocious at best, we had no set plays, no structure and no game plan, we just made it up for 5 tackles and put in a pathetic kick...

We had plenty of opportunities to put pressure on, but our lack of structure and game plan did not enable is to apply consistent pressure on the opposition. The game plan wasnt there and if the game plan is just simply move the ball from side to side or contunious second phase until we pull something out of our rear end....then that is a rubbish game plan that now without Cayless, Mateo and Keating will be even more abysmal next year....

Some of our halves kicking options remind me of modern artwork, it has no meaning.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

That's BS....our attack inside the opposition was attrocious at best, we had no set plays, no structure and no game plan, we just made it up for 5 tackles and put in a pathetic kick...

We had plenty of opportunities to put pressure on, but our lack of structure and game plan did not enable is to apply consistent pressure on the opposition. The game plan wasnt there and if the game plan is just simply move the ball from side to side or contunious second phase until we pull something out of our rear end....then that is a rubbish game plan that now without Cayless, Mateo and Keating will be even more abysmal next year....

Early in the year yes, Mortimer and Robson were out of form, at the back end of the year when you actually saw some set plays from Hayne or Mitchell or KK they were much better but managed to f**k it up somewhere along the line.

 

[Djay]

I'd rather that we don't get Orford TBH. 2011 now looks very dim due to the fact we don't have a decent half. I'd just try the luck of having:
1. Hayne
6. Humble
7. Murray
9.Mitchell
14. Morts

I guess that's all we can do now, and just hope Murray is a boom halfback and that Morts and Humble find form. If they do 2011 may be a bit better but I'm not expecting to much.

 

[mrpwnd]

Early in the year yes, Mortimer and Robson were out of form, at the back end of the year when you actually saw some set plays from Hayne or Mitchell or KK they were much better but managed to f**k it up somewhere along the line.

Yeah, that's because Hayne and MItchell did all the passing. All Robson and Morts had to do was dummy and run. When it came to last tackle options, it was still fail.

I think our only drop outs have come from Hayne kicks.

 

[Ratchy]

Early in the year yes, Mortimer and Robson were out of form, at the back end of the year when you actually saw some set plays from Hayne or Mitchell or KK they were much better but managed to f**k it up somewhere along the line.

That comes down to a lack of confidence more than anything.

 

[mrpwnd]

That comes down to a lack of confidence more than anything.

Lack of skill**

 

[bartman]

Now that we have missed out Cooper Quade and Cooper Cronk what players do you have in mind to join the 2011 side? After what most of the supporters have seen over the last few months we are hopeful that there is a back-up plan to lure someone back to the NRL. After the last few performances I honestly think you could put the number 7 on Sterlo and he would deliver something better than what we have seen recently. Very disappointed.

C'mon, it's all DA's fault... I read it somewhere on here so it must be true! We can't have any criticism of Ossie or the Board. :sarcasm:

 

[Suitman]

C'mon, it's all DA's fault... I read it somewhere on here so it must be true! We can't have any criticism of Ossie or the Board. :sarcasm:

:lol:

Suity

 

[lucablight]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
We thought that the Grand-Final playing halves combo of Morts and Robbo would work out, thus why we didn't sign any big name halves for our first-grade side last year when we had the chance (if there were any then either?)
I'm confident in this Brad Murray kid, him and Mortimer or Humble in the halves (Mortimer may end up playing hooker) could be a very young dynamite combo. However, it potentially brings big problems, but if (say we have Morts 6 and Murray 7) both play their natural game and hit form we will be flying in the halves.

And that in my opinion was the fatal mistake. Tim Smith was available at the time and the Roosters managed to sign Todd Carney and Luke Walsh signed with the Panthers that year as well. I wouldn't have minded getting one of them.

 

[Delboy]

Mits, no exaggerated cynicism needed, don't over read what I was saying.

We got through last year with what seemed like little involvement from the coach, and I didn't expect that to happen again this season. I am very disappointed in how we played, and more than a little surpised that when Hayne isn't being blamed for not winning the game with hos ability, that no one looked at the underlying issue of questionable tactics and delivery.

Even in junior footy where I am involved, there is work done to inprove players, and I couldn't see any improvement from those whoi needed it, Guess who cops it at junior level, the coach and his staff, even nuffies like me who assist ( not highly paid professionals).

The club spends a lot of money on coaching support and we see nothing tangible for this, I am a bit ticked that the coaching staff (all of them) are treated like koalas while the board etc are targetted for some reason, rant over

 

[cgee221]

We got through last year with what seemed like little involvement from the coach, and I didn't expect that to happen again this season.

You raise good points Delboy, however this caught my attention the most from your post.

I ask anyone who has the 2009 Season Highlights DVD to watch our win over Cronulla at Cronulla and listen to the Joel Reddy interview after that match and then tell me whether you think we got through last year with what seems like little involvement from the coach. I'm not directing this as criticism by any means Delboy but if you have the chance listen to what Joel Reddy says, he highlights how the team have improved and it was by doing things that were implemented by the coach.

 

[caylo]

Either way we will have an inexperienced No. 7 and No. 6 (assuming we don't get Orford).

DA certainly has his work cut out for him. I would like to think that this spine will get a go from round 1:

1. Hayne
6. Humble
7. Murray
9. Mitchell

14. Mortimer (to interchange with Mitchell if he can't go the full 80min).

If and when Maitua is ready for NRL he may slot into No. 6 if we are struggling.

This might be inexperianced but you have to remember that Hayne was able engineer 2009 with Robson and Mortimer. If Murray can kick and pass well that will add more dimentions to our attack then in 2009. If Cooper doesn't come then these guys may be young but they are all good enough IMO, Humble, Murray and Mitchell have done in for at least 3 years in the jnr grade (NYC, QLD cup or NSW cup). They have all done well for a while and so if they can keep their head straight they will be better off next year either way IMO.

 

[Ratchy]

Mits, no exaggerated cynicism needed, don't over read what I was saying.

We got through last year with what seemed like little involvement from the coach, and I didn't expect that to happen again this season. I am very disappointed in how we played, and more than a little surpised that when Hayne isn't being blamed for not winning the game with hos ability, that no one looked at the underlying issue of questionable tactics and delivery.

Even in junior footy where I am involved, there is work done to inprove players, and I couldn't see any improvement from those whoi needed it, Guess who cops it at junior level, the coach and his staff, even nuffies like me who assist ( not highly paid professionals).

The club spends a lot of money on coaching support and we see nothing tangible for this, I am a bit ticked that the coaching staff (all of them) are treated like koalas while the board etc are targetted for some reason, rant over

I think there are more factors in places then the mere point of Daniel Anderson's supposed lack of coaching ability.

There is obviously a bad culture in place before he got there and lack of leadership from the senior playing group. I have heard numerous times on tv interviews with players that they weren't doing on game day what was being trained during the week.

Sooner or later the players then have to take a look at themselves or they end up like Mateo having been punted for players who will.

 

[Delboy]

I am not suggesting he can't coach, far from it, but we haven't seen any real evidence of it and no improvement from a number of players

I am as frustrated as anyone, and I like DA, just expected more from the coaching staff, and his ability to bring out better results from the playing staff. Was annoyed at all the posts blaming the board, CEO, Jarryd Hayne and no one looking at one area where we no consistent improvement,and that appeared to be our structure and coaching.

We will have a decent roster again next year, I hope he at least puts players like Mitchell in the team as he talked him up and then didn't play him which was strange. I really thought we did not look as fit as other sides, and some body shapes were wanting.

On to next year, but there are a number of season Ticket holders where I work who question buying them again with the effort we put in this year.

 

[yy_cheng]

If we don't get a experienced 7 for 2011, DA just has to think out of the box and think of a way to win without decent halves.

In 2001, I recalled we ran alot from dummy half.

Quick play the balls, quick darts from dummy half and get good field position w/o tiring the forwards.

I'm not saying this is what he should implement but he will need to devise other ways.


I always like the forwards chain passing short balls - no willy nilly passes but short controlled balls.

Or get them real, real, real fit and just defend like hell. Hayne's big boot + strong defense.

He's just got to think out of the box instead of trying to manufacture players to something that they can't be.

It is his neck on the line too!

 

[IFR33K]

The only thing that ozzie can do, that maybe hasn't been tried yet, Is to try and pull a rabbit out of his ass.

If he can pull that off, then he may save a job or two.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

I am not suggesting he can't coach, far from it, but we haven't seen any real evidence of it and no improvement from a number of players

That is the thing I have seen plenty of improvment in a large number of players, most of them on the fringe but players like Mannah who in two seasons under Anderson has become a State player, blokes like Jono Wright has told me largely that DA is a fantastic coach and has been great for him. Blokes like Kris and Phil have gone backward, or maybe for Phil, and it pains me to say it, has just dished up so much of the same style of play year in year out that everyone knows his go and tries to spoil it.

In the end coach Anderson will be judged on his tenure here, but I would say we gave Hagan till his 3rd recruiting year and before we subtly pushed him, I this is Ando's 2nd recruiting year, and I think this is where he will come good.

If the side doesn't perform well next year, then yes he will most probably have some pointed questions heading his way, and won't be asked back, but I am happy enough to let him have a go next year, with a side he believes he can work with. At the moment we are just missing a half back, and I think it is fair to say that is a situation we have been in since 1998.

 

[btaag]

Yes - and since the Dogs cheated in that way, it has now been outlawed.

The only way to currently do it is to sign someone NEW to a frontloaded contract.

FYI, that was what I was suggesting - the Dogs spent under the cap at start of 2008 (when they got the spoon), resigned Andrew Ryan and a few others to front ended contracts and signed the players.

Isnt Tahu on a backloaded contract? that looks like being the gift that will keep on giving...

 

[Suitman]

DA just has to think out of the box and think of a way to win without decent halves.


In 2001, I recalled we ran alot from dummy half.

Quick play the balls, quick darts from dummy half and get good field position w/o tiring the forwards.

I'm not saying this is what he should implement but he will need to devise other ways.


I always like the forwards chain passing short balls - no willy nilly passes but short controlled balls.

Or get them real, real, real fit and just defend like hell. Hayne's big boot + strong defense.

He's just got to think out of the box instead of trying to manufacture players to something that they can't be.

It is his neck on the line too!

Seriously? Do you really think the suggestions you have made are thinking outside the box?
FMD mate - they should be givens!!!!!
Those are the exact things that have us behind the 8 ball ATM - amongst others.

Suity

 

[parra pete]

The only thing that ozzie can do, that maybe hasn't been tried yet, Is to try and pull a rabbit out of his ass.

If he can pull that off, then he may save a job or two.

Don't know about a rabbit...would a 'hare' do...