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What the hell? RLIF proposing anyone can play for any qualifying country

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siv

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roughyedspud said:
All the players that are availible to play for "2nd tier" nation via heritage,the ones good enough to play origin but not good enough for australia..theres dozens of players in this bracket.

Tyson frizzell is a good case in point...on the verge of origin,never gonna be selected for australia but he'd be on of the first one the team sheet for wales....so for the sake of the odd call up for NSW he has to give up international RL..

Same goes for kane linnett with nsw & scotland..

Then theres countless PI heritage players past & present..like meteo,uate..will hopoate! Never ever gonna play for australia..so why can't he play for nsw & tonga..


Thats what is ment by australia hoarding players
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Isnt Origin a selection trial for Australia ??
 
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some11 said:
What's all of your proposals then?

You whinge about Australia hoarding all of the talent because they have to swear allegiance to Australia to play Origin, yet this proposal allows them to represent the system in which they came up through AND the country they wouldn't otherwise be able to represent.

Make up your minds.
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There have been numerous proposals on this thread and in the international section, they are not hard to find.
People don't like this ridiculous proposal because it effectively does nothing for the countries it is trying to help. They will officially be reduced to feeder teams who are picked after Australia and New Zealand pick their squads. They will have no chance to develop a squad, a team culture and we will be in a worse situation than now.

People whinge because they are sick of rugby league taking the easy and wrong option instead of what is best for the sport.
 
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Scubby said:
Australia play before Origin. It used to be a trial back in the day when Kiwis series and Ashes series took place in June/July.
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And that my folks is the #1 problem with the current rep schedule

We just need to revert Kangaroo matches to post SOO
 
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some11 said:
What's all of your proposals then?

You whinge about Australia hoarding all of the talent because they have to swear allegiance to Australia to play Origin, yet this proposal allows them to represent the system in which they came up through AND the country they wouldn't otherwise be able to represent.

Make up your minds.
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international eligibility

1. birth - born in the nation you've selected

2. heritage - parent or grand parent born in the nation you've selected

3. residency - have been living in the nation you've selected for 5 years continuously upto playing for the nation you've selected,you also can't have played for another nation in those 5 years (thanks semi)

4. election period - after every world cup final,players,from under 18s upwards,from every comp ,have until the of that year to select a nation to play for or switch nations if eligible too,all players are then locked into the nation they've selected for 4 years till after the next world cup final..

5. state of origin - all players from outside the big 3 nations can play for NSW/QLD and a 2nd tier nation providing they qualify..


there you go..nice and simple
 
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johnny plath said:
Really. ..why do you say Hayne would be more passionate about Fiji than Australia. ..he's not some blow in. .he's born raised developed in Australia. ..why do people make it like its some conspiracy that Australians want to play for Australia. ..seriously give it a rest. ..who are all these players that Australia is hording...pretty sure they're all australian. ..if they aren't I'm happy to be enlightened.
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I said "PROBABLY more passionate about Fiji". We dont know because he wasnt given a choice. He chose NSW because Origin is the pinnacle of RL (at least it is right now), and representing Australia was just a clause attached....

If he was given they choice between countries and he chose Australia then that is the end of it,
but he never had a say.

Australia is hoarding all of the best players. They dont NEED to link Origin and International, they choose to because it gives them all of the best players....

some11 said:
What's all of your proposals then?

You whinge about Australia hoarding all of the talent because they have to swear allegiance to Australia to play Origin, yet this proposal allows them to represent the system in which they came up through AND the country they wouldn't otherwise be able to represent.

Make up your minds.
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This isnt just an "either-or" situation. There is a 3rd, 4th and hundredth alternative....

The current proposal is shit because it cements all of the minow nations as backwater teams picking up the scraps that Australia doesnt want; Jarryd hayne might have been playing for Fiji since 2006 under these rules, but as soon as he became a superstar in '09, Australia would have picked him and Fiji can f*cking themselves for all anyone cared.

It also removes the thing that makes rep footy special; in the NRL a player might play for Parra one year, Melbourne the next and Souths the year after. But in rep footy you dont just jump around looking for the best contract, you are committed to the one team and you do whatever you can to build them up.

siv said:
Isnt Origin a selection trial for Australia ??
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It was in like 1950. Today they are both independent events built for spectators....

We could keep hoarding all of the best players in the Aussie team and have consistent 70-2 scorelines, or we can allow other teams to become competitive and genuinely entertaining International competitions.
 
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Hello said:
I said "PROBABLY more passionate about Fiji". We dont know because he wasnt given a choice. He chose NSW because Origin is the pinnacle of RL (at least it is right now), and representing Australia was just a clause attached....

If he was given they choice between countries and he chose Australia then that is the end of it,
but he never had a say.
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Why would you think it was more probable? Hayne grew up in Australia, his Mum's Australian, his Dad has lived in Australia since he was 11.

Why do you think he'd only want to represent Australia due to a clause for origin?
 
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I understand why they are looking at the idea.. the idea quickly brings up several pacific nations to speed with the top 3 nations or at least close too.. It does feel a bit odd though having no restrictions..

This idea helps the pacific nations who have lots of genuine islanders who also qualify for a top tier nation but doesn't help the wider group.. So I understand it..

And if it came in I could see the benefit for the Pacific nations..

But if they go that way.. surely they would need to put a bunch or rules around it so that International Rugby League wouldn't feel the need for such a rule in the future..

Spinner's heritage thing... in some form put in place..

Nation hoping be limited to 1 tier 1 nation and 1 tier 2 nation..

Mascords Origin thing where playing for a state doesn't disqualify you from playing for country of birth

Domestic comp needs to be up to scratch

The ambassador for a nation rule (but that person can't be a heritage player)

The residency rule (semi rule) be changed so that those things don't happen

We need to have rules that protect the nations who actually develop home grown talent and we need to protect the smaller nations from having their home grown talent poached by the bigger nations.. and we need to do all we can to reward teams like PNG who's national team is actually full of fully fledged PNG players.. That should not start them at a disadvantage..
 
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I'm not totally against the switching of nations as a lot of people have dual nationality these days anyway so I cant see any reason as to why this cant expand to RL eligibility.Old notions of identity and nationality don't exist like they used to. I see myself as Scottish AND Australian even though I have spent only 2 of my 38 years in Scotland.
For mine though, a player should be able to switch up and down tiers but not sideways. So Tamou or example can never represent NZ as he has already played for a tier 1 nation in Australia. There would also be no more cases like Rory Kostjasyn or Dominique Peyroux who have represented 2 tier 2 nations.
And as a safeguard or development, at least 25% of a matchday squad of 20 players should have played at least 2 seasons of football for that federation.
 
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I think you commit to one nation early on

But if they dont want you I have no issuue with changing

But you need to wait 2 years

But I would prefer Kangaroos also use the SOO selection policy
 
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Is there a bigger fraud in world sport than teo?

Born in NZ, picked in numerous NZ junior teams and kiwi training squads, played tests for Samoa, repped an Australian state and was in kangaroo squad without getting a game, now playing for England in Union! What a knob!
 
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Evil Homer said:
RU lost any right to criticise RL when they picked Shontayne Hape and Lesley Vainikolo for England.
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Up to a point, Lord Copper. Both qualified on residency.


Hape had never respresented another nation in rugby union.


Vainikolo had represented Tonga in Sevens, which did not disqualify him then, but would now, because the rules have tightened.



That said, it always seems passing strange that the country that has the largest number of participants in the world needs to bring these sorts of drifters into their national side.



The results speak for themselves.
 
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