What the hell? RLIF proposing anyone can play for any qualifying country

[DiegoNT]

"the guys who give up origin for the smaller nations" aka nobody

In recent years we've had both kata and hurell turn down new zealand for smaller nations of heritage. Won't happen initially, and you will still get players pick australia over smaller nations, but hopefully somewhere down the track when the next bj leilua arrives ( a player with a slim chance at origin, but walk on starter for internationals) he choses the smaller nations.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Because all of those players with the exception of Lam represented... drum roll please.... AUSTRALIA!

It's the sacrifice you make for playing Origin.

But it doesnt need to be...

And the fact that it IS this way is destroying International RL.

It stops the mercenary money tactic of the radrara's of the world. At the moment players can play for their nations, switch to origin, then switch to australia. That is a farce. If players were given an ultimatium play Origin or play for your nation of heritage then pledging yourself to origin isn't such an easy decision as it is right now.

So, the current system puts 99 out of 100 best players into the Australian side , but International football is improves because that 1 person made an unnecessarily difficult decision that no one will ever talk about again...

And then, of course they get flogged 100-2.

Great...

Plenty of players like milford and papali will pick origin and australia, as is their right as people with more then one heritage, but the guys who give up origin for the smaller nations are sacrificing a lot and creating a strong culture of representing theur nation. The smaller nations will be better of for people fully committing themselves to their cause.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Can you name ANY player who has done this?? i cant...

Why damage international football just to maintain this archaic system? Most fans wont give a shit, player will be happier, International football will finally be competitive and RL in Pacific national with the profile of Origin Players in their National team.

Or international football can remain as uncompetitive and irrelevant as it is now...

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

In recent years we've had both kata and hurell turn down new zealand for smaller nations of heritage. Won't happen initially, and you will still get players pick australia over smaller nations, but hopefully somewhere down the track when the next bj leilua arrives ( a player with a slim chance at origin, but walk on starter for internationals) he choses the smaller nations.

So youre solution to this broke and uncompetitive system is "hopefully" and "maybe", despite all evidence and logic to the contrary...

Why hope a player makes a decision against their own best interests when would could fix the system and make a competitive International competition actually happen.

From all of your arguements, the best reason i can find in your favour is "change is scary and something might go wrong". Hardly a reason to stick with a broken system...

 

[deluded pom?]

From all of your arguements, the best reason i can find in your favour is "change is scary and something might go wrong". Hardly a reason to stick with a broken system...

He'd never have voted for Brexit then.

 

[DiegoNT]

Lets make international's great by ruining origin and weakening the Kangaroos.
The day guys like widdop, the burgess twins, kasiano, taumololo, foran, marshall can play Origin and represent new zealand and England is the day origin is dead. Because under some people's proposals that could happen.
Say I don't like change? My proposal would be a huge change to the way we treat internationals at the moment.
The 'people have different heritages so should be able to represent more then one of their backgrounds.' Does that mean we should let players represent more then one nation? Nsw and qld are states in australia.
Representative football should be where your heart lies. To many in here want to make it a financial thing. If you want to pick origin solely for monetary reasons then you aren't the type of player that the developing nations needs. At the end of the day, guys like papali and jennings will probably still pick the Kangaroos any way.
We need to make the developing nations stronger, not the big nations weaker. By having players commit to developing nations and want to play for them above all others is the goal we have to strive for. To say no player would pick another nation over the money of origin is bullshit. We've already had guys like kasiano and taumololo do just that. They have cost themselves thousands of dollars. We need players who want to represent their home nations above all else. Because at the end of the day it's not just state of origin and australia stealing players from minnow nations, it's new zealand and England as well. We've had kasiano and taumololo turn down the big origin dollars, and kata and hurrell turn down new zealand.
So no I'm not afraid of change, i want to change the current system where players can have their cake and eat it to. We need to make the hard decisions on international eligibility if we want to stop international rl from being a joke

 

[LeagueXIII]

Origin as much as people dont understand is a selection trial for Australia

Its not a All Star match

Sure it use to be.

However nowadays the test is played BEFORE the origin series.

 

[DiegoNT]

Why damage international football just to maintain this archaic system? Most fans wont give a shit, player will be happier, International football will finally be competitive and RL in Pacific national with the profile of Origin Players in their National team.
.

This is why international football is a farce.
Pacific Islands will only get competive and have a huge profile when players from the Queensland and NSW states sides are in their team.
Thats a backwards way to look at it. I'd prefer if the smaller nations built there success on players who want to play for their nations above all else. I want it to be so players choose their nations first, instead of it being an option after origin selection. It won't happen over night, and some players of Pacific island origin will still represent australia and new Zealand (because that is their heritage to and it is their right to choose so), but the current system, a dual international system, or opening origin up to all nationalities are huge backwards steps in establishing the international game.

 

[deluded pom?]

It might help if PI nation coaches didn't state that some of their players have the chance to put themselves in with an opportunity of an Origin shirt by playing well in "international" matches.

 

[siv]

The current origin rules are good. It's the international rules that are a joke.

Only issue is that the Kangaroos dont follow the SOO rules

 

[siv]

Sure it use to be.

However nowadays the test is played BEFORE the origin series.

Thats why from 2018 its being moved

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Only issue is that the Kangaroos dont follow the SOO rules

No. The issue is the international rules. Australia follows them the same as everyone else.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Thats why from 2018 its being moved

It's being moved because the NRL don't give a f**k about it.

 

[Matua]

In recent years we've had both kata and hurell turn down new zealand for smaller nations of heritage. Won't happen initially, and you will still get players pick australia over smaller nations, but hopefully somewhere down the track when the next bj leilua arrives ( a player with a slim chance at origin, but walk on starter for internationals) he choses the smaller nations.

You sure about that with Kata?

This is what he said last year.

"That's my big goal, to play for New Zealand, to try and play for the Kiwis," Kata explains to NRL.com.

http://www.nrl.com/kata-eyes-end-of-year-kiwi-spot/tabid/10874/newsid/86800/default.aspx

FYI - I think he should play for Tonga.

 

[adamkungl]

Lets make international's great by ruining origin and weakening the Kangaroos.
The day guys like widdop, the burgess twins, kasiano, taumololo, foran, marshall can play Origin and represent new zealand and England is the day origin is dead.

You clearly don't understand what is bring proposed. You don't even understand the current State of Origin rules! Since the very first thing you said is wrong I didn't bother reading the rest of your rant.

The Burgess twins didn't grow up in NSW or QLD so would never be able to play Origin.
Same with Widdop. And Kasiano. And Marshall.

Taumololo and Foran would be allowed since they lived in Australia as children.



I can't believe people are ok with someone representing 2 different countries but not representing a state at one level of the game and a country at another level :crazy:
If your logic is consistent you shouldn't be allowed to play for Souths and Queensland or New Zealand, since South Sydney is a NSW Australian team.

 

[DiegoNT]

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You clearly don't understand what is bring proposed. You don't even understand the current State of Origin rules! Since the very first thing you said is wrong I didn't bother reading the rest of your rant.

The Burgess twins didn't grow up in NSW or QLD so would never be able to play Origin.
Same with Widdop. And Kasiano. And Marshall.

Taumololo and Foran would be allowed since they lived in Australia as children.



I can't believe people are ok with someone representing 2 different countries but not representing a state at one level of the game and a country at another level :crazy:
If your logic is consistent you shouldn't be allowed to play for Souths and Queensland or New Zealand, since South Sydney is a NSW Australian team.

All of those guys i mentioned would of been eligible in the past origin. If we had the current rep nsw and rep any country you want it's possible those players will have played origin.


Souths are a club team, nsw and qld are rep teams. It's this thought process of treating rep football like club football where allegiances are open and subject to change that is holding everything back. I don't agree with players being able to represent 2 nations. I think that once a player represents a nation that they should be held to that, as is the case in every major international sport.

Is it so wrong for smaller nations to build their own teams and superstars that are all their own, or do they continue to hope they can jag an origin player if they don't continue on to australia.

How many of the current origin players of islander heritage would actually represent the smaller nations?
Jennings?
Papali?
Fifita?
Frizell-maybe

What happens when origin goes to stand-alone weekends and Pacific Island Tests are scheduled for the same time?

 

[adamkungl]

What do the past Origin rules have to do with anything

 

[roughyedspud]

God theres alot of nonsense in this thread lol

 

[shinobi]

In recent years we've had both kata and hurell turn down new zealand for smaller nations of heritage. Won't happen initially, and you will still get players pick australia over smaller nations, but hopefully somewhere down the track when the next bj leilua arrives ( a player with a slim chance at origin, but walk on starter for internationals) he choses the smaller nations.

Kata and hurrell are both tongan born and raised, kata only moved to nz 5 years ago on a rugby scholarship.

 

[southwalesrabbitoh]

As some have said, you should be able to swap between Tier 1 and Tier 2 countries. But I would add France to Tier 1, as they have a professional team and have bn holding RL internationals in their own country for years.

And you shouldn't be able to play for France one week and England the next. But you should be allowed to play for Wales one week and England the next, or Fiji and Aus. in the space of a few days.

 

[roughyedspud]

Then this clown chips in...



Nonsense....nonsense everywhere


The sooner we have a under 20s world cup and lock everyone in from then,and let players outside the big 3 play origin & another nation other than australia...the better..

Until then we aren't playing a international sport....its glorified club rugby at the moment