Where could/should/will the NRL be in 10 years time?

[The Great Dane]

The people in the room will change 14 times before we get to a 20th team.

Fortunately rooms change, by time next expansion comes along in 5 years or so hopefully Vlandys and his hand puppet will have moved on and we will have some visionary leadership.

Placing a team in Redcliffe will force the NRL into a cycle of putting more licenses in Brisbane to get market coverage. In other words, even if the room changes the NRL will have no choice but to waste resources putting teams in every region of Brisbane if they want coverage of every major submarket in Brisbane.

That will result in two things; A. 3-4 Brisbane clubs in the short-mid term, and up to 5-6 in the long term, and B. national growth being massively delayed as a result.

The 18th and 19th licenses will almost certainly go to NZ and Brisbane, the order will depend on the feasibility of the NZ side. So you are looking at a long wait before the NRL will even truly consider Perth, Adelaide, or most other "non-traditional" markets, and chances are that even then they might not get a license.

 

[Perth Red]

Placing a team in Redcliffe will force the NRL into a cycle of putting more licenses in Brisbane to get market coverage. In other words, even if the room changes the NRL will have no choice but to waste resources putting teams in every region of Brisbane if they want coverage of every major submarket in Brisbane.

That will result in two things; A. 3-4 Brisbane clubs in the short-mid term, and up to 5-6 in the long term, and B. national growth being massively delayed as a result.

The 18th and 19th licenses will almost certainly go to NZ and Brisbane, the order will depend on the feasibility of the NZ side. So you are looking at a long wait before the NRL will even truly consider Perth, Adelaide, or most other "non-traditional" markets, and chances are that even then they might not get a license.

No reason for that to be the case. Perth and Adelaide has total afl coverage with 2 clubs, I dont see why brisbane wouldnt be the same for RL in Brisbane? Your scenario only becomes reality if Brisbane2 is a small suburban mentality club but no signs that will be the case. I can see the next club being in Nz though given the rise in sky deal and Vlandys lack of vision. Sucks for us rl fans in The west but I think we have all resigned ourselves that the nrl will not be national anytime soon.

 

[The Great Dane]

No reason for that to be the case. Perth and Adelaide has total afl coverage with 2 clubs, I dont see why brisbane wouldnt be the same for RL in Brisbane? Your scenario only becomes reality if Brisbane2 is a small suburban mentality club but no signs that will be the case. I can see the next club being in Nz though given the rise in sky deal and Vlandys lack of vision. Sucks for us rl fans in The west but I think we have all resigned ourselves that the nrl will not be national anytime soon.

You are delusional if you believe Redcliffe will be anything more than a shitty suburban club that represents anything more than parts of Morton Bay in reality. Neither the Broncos nor Dolphins are well positioned to represent anything south of the river either, i.e. 50%+ of Brisbane's population.

The demand for clubs in Ipswich, the Inner South, Logan, etc, won't just go away because there's just any second team, and if the NRL split Brisbane into smaller suburban niche markets, by introducing Redcliffe for example, then they'll be forced to add more teams to cover the other niches.

Mark my words, if Redcliffe get the license you can basically give up on Perth, or Adelaide for that matter, getting a license in at least the next 15-20 years going on the NRL's current rate of expansion, and Brisbane will get at least one more club before they do. Perth's only hope will be if NZ expansion totally falls through, which is highly unlikely in my opinion.

 

[Pippen94]

You are delusional if you believe Redcliffe will be anything more than a shitty suburban club that represents anything more than parts of Morton Bay in reality. Neither the Broncos nor Dolphins are well positioned to represent anything south of the river either, i.e. 50%+ of Brisbane's population.

The demand for clubs in Ipswich, the Inner South, Logan, etc, won't just go away because there's just any second team, and if the NRL split Brisbane into smaller suburban niche markets, by introducing Redcliffe for example, then they'll be forced to add more teams to cover the other niches.

Mark my words, if Redcliffe get the license you can basically give up on Perth, or Adelaide for that matter, getting a license in at least the next 15-20 years going on the NRL's current rate of expansion, and Brisbane will get at least one more club before they do. Perth's only hope will be if NZ expansion totally falls through, which is highly unlikely in my opinion.

Doom & gloom. Remember when you said Jets & Tigers didn't need to merge?! Way to read room

 

[The Great Dane]

Doom & gloom. Remember when you said Jets & Tigers didn't need to merge?! Way to read room

In a world where decisions were made using well reasoned logic and long term business planing they wouldn't need to merge, in fact it'd be a disadvantage. But unfortunately control of the NRL was taken over by a Trumpesque moron whom makes his decisions on the fly based on gut feels, and whom seems hell bent on regressing the NRL back to the 70s-80s...

You reap what you sow.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

This is where your argument falls over, this expansion only happened BECAUSE of V'Dog and Abdo, any other possible future candidates for NRL HQ will procrastinate as the leadership has before V'Dog... im all for bringing in more expansion teams, and this will be the admin to do it, unfortunately they aren't looking at creating expansion teams from scratch, just happy to promote an existing 2nd franchise, which in the current sporting climate probably is the best option, as it is bringing in extra cashflow from the broadcasters just for existing.

Other than it being Brisbane 2 and not Perth. Vlandys has done exactly what PR has been asking for, for years. Expand and ask TV to foot the bill. He's been proactive and done exactly that.

 

[Pippen94]

In a world where decisions were made using well reasoned logic and long term business planing they wouldn't need to merge, in fact it'd be a disadvantage. But unfortunately control of the NRL was taken over by a Trumpesque moron whom makes his decisions on the fly based on gut feels, and whom seems hell bent on regressing the NRL back to the 70s-80s...

You reap what you sow.

Sure mate. How bout humbly admit you got it wrong?! Dolphins have point of difference & room to grow. Looks like they've learnt from Melbourne City & Crushers.
I've been visiting this place for over a decade & Peter is the only admin to get this done.

 

[Pippen94]

Other than it being Brisbane 2 and not Perth. Vlandys has done exactly what PR has been asking for, for years. Expand and ask TV to foot the bill. He's been proactive and done exactly that.

Great thing about 17th team is that it leads to 18th more easily. Getting teams to accept expansion is great achievement.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

In a world where decisions were made using well reasoned logic and long term business planing they wouldn't need to merge, in fact it'd be a disadvantage. But unfortunately control of the NRL was taken over by a Trumpesque moron whom makes his decisions on the fly based on gut feels, and whom seems hell bent on regressing the NRL back to the 70s-80s...

You reap what you sow.

If only all NRL clubs were as ''shitty'' as Redcliffe. You still haven't told me... if Redcliffe are such a bad option, then which bid would you give the green light to?

 

[RL The greatest game]

In true NRL style we MAY have a Brisbane2 team back after a 24 year hiatus, looking likely thankfully. So where might the game be in ten years time. Will it have got the leadership to be national with Perth and Adelaide in, will NZ have a stronger footprint for the game, will the hopeful success of Brisbane2 mean we are looking at Brisbane3? will we still be stuck on 17 teams? Where will the money come from to pay for future expansion? Whats your thoughts on NRL 2032?

What Id like to see:
Brisbane2 come in 2023 and prove to be a great success.
NRL signs a new massive media deal in 2025 for 2027 onwards with key focus on 3 streaming providers as more and more audience consumes sport in this medium.
On the back of media deal Perth is announced in 2025 for admission in 2027 to give the game a new Sunday 6pm time slot for game 9.
2030 on the back of the success of the WC Pirates admission the game announces it is planning to relaunch itself under new marketing and branding with a 2 conference 20 team competition for 2032 with Adelaide and NZ2 joining the competition. Investment in PNG and Fiji is paying off with over 2 dozen first grade stars now coming from these programs.
Part of the rebrand will be brand and marketing alignment between north and south hemispheres with ESL effectively becoming conference three and the winner of conference three playing the winner of conference 1v2 in a genuine end of season world club title grand final for $1million prize money.
Club nines is locked in as pre season event in Feb every year with rotating hosts outside Qlnd and NSW.

Internationally
World Nines is huge success and a 4 year repeating international calendar for all nations is agreed
Year1 RL World Cup
Year 2 World Nines (held in Aus or NZ) and GB touring side down under. Pacific nations cup with two finalists earning spots in following years 6 nations.
Year3 6 nations with Eng,Fra,Aus,NZ and 2 PI qualifying nations rotating North and South hemispheres. PI tri-nations for three nations not making 6 nations.
Year 4 World Nines (held in Eng or Fra) plus Aus and NZ Europe tour. RLWC qualifying tournaments in Europe and Southern Hemisphere

You can but dream!

In 10 years time we will have teams in Ipswich, Cairns, Perth, and another team in New Zealand and we will be split into 2 conferences.

 

[Perth Red]

Other than it being Brisbane 2 and not Perth. Vlandys has done exactly what PR has been asking for, for years. Expand and ask TV to foot the bill. He's been proactive and done exactly that.

Yep, pretty much.
it was small minded and shows lack of any real ambition to just go with one safe club in a RL stronghold and call it expansion but thats RL for you. At least they got Fox to cover the cost of it which is something. At least something has happened after 11 years of procrastination.
Lets all hope the new club is a raging success and gives the ARLC some confidence to grow a pair and actually expand the game.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Yep, pretty much.
it was small minded and shows lack of any real ambition to just go with one safe club in a RL stronghold and call it expansion but thats RL for you. At least they got Fox to cover the cost of it which is something. At least something has happened after 11 years of procrastination.
Lets all hope the new club is a raging success and gives the ARLC some confidence to grow a pair and actually expand the game.

I certainly hope this is a turning point for the game's view on expansion

 

[RL The greatest game]

No reason for that to be the case. Perth and Adelaide has total afl coverage with 2 clubs, I dont see why brisbane wouldnt be the same for RL in Brisbane? Your scenario only becomes reality if Brisbane2 is a small suburban mentality club but no signs that will be the case. I can see the next club being in Nz though given the rise in sky deal and Vlandys lack of vision. Sucks for us rl fans in The west but I think we have all resigned ourselves that the nrl will not be national anytime soon.

The Great Dane is a fumbleball troll

 

[Perth Red]

Hmm I wonder what the motivator for News Ltd to back expansion could have been???
Nrl is handing over its $50mill revenue a year digital services to News and Ch9!! Any coincidence the guy the NRL has employed to dismantle it is a long time ex Ch9 employee?

NRL shrinks digital arm under pressure from broadcasters - Sydney News Today

The National Rugby League has succumbed to pressure from media partners and decided to shrink its digital content sector. This is expected to create some redundancy in the organization. Led by Alexi Baker, NRL’s recently appointed top customer and digital officer, this shift is part of an...

sydneynewstoday.com

 

[MugaB]

Yep, pretty much.
it was small minded and shows lack of any real ambition to just go with one safe club in a RL stronghold and call it expansion but thats RL for you. At least they got Fox to cover the cost of it which is something. At least something has happened after 11 years of procrastination.
Lets all hope the new club is a raging success and gives the ARLC some confidence to grow a pair and actually expand the game.

This what ive been saying for ages, it's all about small steps.. until we get perth and PNG, we will never be happy

 

[Jamberoo]

There's going to be a new rectangular stadium in Tarneit

They have been saying that for years. construction supposedly starts in a few weeks.
Much like the Redcliffe/Brisbane argument, why would you have any new club playing in a 12k stadium in the middle of nowhere, when you have a larger, world class rectangular stadium in the middle of town that is hardly used?

 

[Pippen94]

They have been saying that for years. construction supposedly starts in a few weeks.
Much like the Redcliffe/Brisbane argument, why would you have any new club playing in a 12k stadium in the middle of nowhere, when you have a larger, world class rectangular stadium in the middle of town that is hardly used?

..Melbourne City

 

[flippikat]

Hmm I wonder what the motivator for News Ltd to back expansion could have been???
Nrl is handing over its $50mill revenue a year digital services to News and Ch9!! Any coincidence the guy the NRL has employed to dismantle it is a long time ex Ch9 employee?

NRL shrinks digital arm under pressure from broadcasters - Sydney News Today

The National Rugby League has succumbed to pressure from media partners and decided to shrink its digital content sector. This is expected to create some redundancy in the organization. Led by Alexi Baker, NRL’s recently appointed top customer and digital officer, this shift is part of an...

sydneynewstoday.com

......and THERE you have it.

It's ALL quid pro quo & self-interest.

Really it's all just riffing on the same themes since 19 December 1997.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Murdoch will be dead by then.

I would like to see the Easts Tigers strike a deal with Redcliffe to become the East Coast Dolphins and have a combined asset base that makes them a juggernaut. Dolphins can have eastern suburbs of Logan, bayside suburbs of Brisbane, Redlands and Moreton Bay.

Similarly, Brisbane Broncos saddle up with Jets, remaining as the Brisbane Broncos but changing their colours to green and gold and focusing on Brisbane, Ipswich and western suburbs of Logan.

NZ and Perth to contest for the 18th licence.

 

[Quidgybo]

If it were me looking at these three “Brisbane” bids, I’d be choosing two with their entries separated by a 2-3 seasons. I’d be jumping to bring in both the Dolphins as a team to be based to the north of Brisbane and the Brisbane Firehawks as a genuine second Suncorp based team (effectively an Inner South team to mirror the Broncos Inner North location).

Both are established clubs with deep community roots and financially secure. They’re going to have hardly any detrimental impact to the existing comp and will be settled and competitive in no time. Unlike building a Storm, Reds or Rams it’s not a 20 year commitment to building virtually everything from scratch. Both clubs are quick no brainers IMHO.

But I’d be choosing those two with the understanding that at some point in the foreseeable future there’ll be a third new team based to the south of Brisbane in Ipswich-Logan. Maybe even an evolution of the existing bid. Train on.

This isn’t a one and done process.