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Where should the next NZ NRL team be?

ParraEelsNRL

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Not quite... when they wanted to build the new stadium there the locals complained about the lights. Considering Wadestown (the hill above the stadium) is where a lot of "old money" is the council put a limit on the number of times a year the lights can come on.

Most nights were allocated to Rugby and Cricket as the main "stake holders" with a few set aside for "other" events like concerts and such. The only issue with that is that there isnt a backup day should a one day cricket match be "rained out".... Now the phoenix have taken most of those "other" slots leaving only one or two for concerts.

Im guessing that the Orcas bid, which in no way addresses this issue, is counting on the council back tracking if they have a promise of another professional sports team in Welly... its a big risk.


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flippikat

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Not quite... when they wanted to build the new stadium there the locals complained about the lights. Considering Wadestown (the hill above the stadium) is where a lot of "old money" is the council put a limit on the number of times a year the lights can come on.

Most nights were allocated to Rugby and Cricket as the main "stake holders" with a few set aside for "other" events like concerts and such. The only issue with that is that there isnt a backup day should a one day cricket match be "rained out".... Now the phoenix have taken most of those "other" slots leaving only one or two for concerts.

Im guessing that the Orcas bid, which in no way addresses this issue, is counting on the council back tracking if they have a promise of another professional sports team in Welly... its a big risk.

Yeah, that's a hell of an issue, assuming that in NZ night games are best for Australian TV.

I'm scratching my head as to how that could be fit-in to the stadium plan.. unless an alternative night venue can be found, we'd surely HAVE to look at increasing the "night events" limit for Westpac Stadium?

At an outside chance, you could perhaps do something with the former Hutt Park raceway, but that would take a lot of money!
 

PaulyTom

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Yeah the time slots are awful for Aussie TV.

I love the idea of second NZ team though. No shortage of players to fill the team.
 

Iafeta

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I dont think so really. League in Christchurch I think comparable to League In Melbourne scaled down. But I do think that the NZ people are more open to a second for of Rugby. It could work.

Id love to see it happen, but I feel that this team would need more support from the NRL then a Perth side.

The comparison with Melbourne is utter nonsense. Canterbury has a great history in rugby league. In the early 90s, Canterbury had a major dynasty in the NZRL comp. Frank Endacott was the coach, went on to coach both the Kiwis and the Auckland Warriors. In the last 15 or so years from Canterbury there's been Lewis Brown, Brendan Tuuta, Brent Stuart, David Kidwell, Setamaita Sa, Terry Hermannson, Brent Todd, David Vaeleki ... other lesser known Kiwis/first graders from there include Simon Angell, Aaron Whittaker, Corey Lawrie, Kaine Manihera, Blair Harding, Logan Edwards, Tevita Vaikona, Shane Endacott, Mike Doreen, Marty and Glen Turner.

How many internationals has Melbourne contributed by comparison in the past 10-15 years?

To disprove this further, when the Warriors/Knights play in Greymouth for the Pike River memorial, that ground will be a guaranteed sell out. That's from a town with a population of say 10,000 max. Whetu Taewa and Quentin Pongia are recent Kiwis from there. Kane Ferris who played one game for the Warriors is a product of Greymouth.
 
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The comparison with Melbourne is utter nonsense. Canterbury has a great history in rugby league. In the early 90s, Canterbury had a major dynasty in the NZRL comp. Frank Endacott was the coach, went on to coach both the Kiwis and the Auckland Warriors. In the last 15 or so years from Canterbury there's been Lewis Brown, Brendan Tuuta, Brent Stuart, David Kidwell, Setamaita Sa, Terry Hermannson, Brent Todd, David Vaeleki ... other lesser known Kiwis/first graders from there include Simon Angell, Aaron Whittaker, Corey Lawrie, Kaine Manihera, Blair Harding, Logan Edwards, Tevita Vaikona, Shane Endacott, Mike Doreen, Marty and Glen Turner.

How many internationals has Melbourne contributed by comparison in the past 10-15 years?

To disprove this further, when the Warriors/Knights play in Greymouth for the Pike River memorial, that ground will be a guaranteed sell out. That's from a town with a population of say 10,000 max. Whetu Taewa and Quentin Pongia are recent Kiwis from there. Kane Ferris who played one game for the Warriors is a product of Greymouth.
Well said bro. I am a proud owner of a Canterbury Bulls jumper.
 

docbrown

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Yeah the time slots are awful for Aussie TV.

Well with two teams in New Zealand, you essentially get a NZ game every week.

The most convenient time slots are: Saturday 7:30pm NZ (5:30pm EST), Sunday 2:00pm NZ (12:00pm EST) or 4:00pm NZ (2:00pm EST).

This mean you could go on a Saturday
5:30pm EST (7:30pm NZ live - a New Zealand game or east coast game live)
7:30pm EST (7:30pm live game on the East coast)
9:30pm EST (either a replayed 7:30pm game or a live WA game)

Similar on Sunday (12pm NZ game or east coast live, 2pm East coast live, 4pm East coast live/WA live) - potentially all live on Saturday or Sunday.

Having NZ & WA teams does have its live saturation TV advantages. I don't think there's another sport that could really have that 3 game back to back block all live here in Australia.
 
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The comparison with Melbourne is utter nonsense. Canterbury has a great history in rugby league. In the early 90s, Canterbury had a major dynasty in the NZRL comp. Frank Endacott was the coach, went on to coach both the Kiwis and the Auckland Warriors. In the last 15 or so years from Canterbury there's been Lewis Brown, Brendan Tuuta, Brent Stuart, David Kidwell, Setamaita Sa, Terry Hermannson, Brent Todd, David Vaeleki ... other lesser known Kiwis/first graders from there include Simon Angell, Aaron Whittaker, Corey Lawrie, Kaine Manihera, Blair Harding, Logan Edwards, Tevita Vaikona, Shane Endacott, Mike Doreen, Marty and Glen Turner.

How many internationals has Melbourne contributed by comparison in the past 10-15 years?

To disprove this further, when the Warriors/Knights play in Greymouth for the Pike River memorial, that ground will be a guaranteed sell out. That's from a town with a population of say 10,000 max. Whetu Taewa and Quentin Pongia are recent Kiwis from there. Kane Ferris who played one game for the Warriors is a product of Greymouth.

good post.

My dad always use to say that West Coast/Greymouth was the only place in the South Island where Rugby League was a STRONGER CULTURE than union.
 

Sam H

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The comparison with Melbourne is utter nonsense. Canterbury has a great history in rugby league. In the early 90s, Canterbury had a major dynasty in the NZRL comp. Frank Endacott was the coach, went on to coach both the Kiwis and the Auckland Warriors. In the last 15 or so years from Canterbury there's been Lewis Brown, Brendan Tuuta, Brent Stuart, David Kidwell, Setamaita Sa, Terry Hermannson, Brent Todd, David Vaeleki ... other lesser known Kiwis/first graders from there include Simon Angell, Aaron Whittaker, Corey Lawrie, Kaine Manihera, Blair Harding, Logan Edwards, Tevita Vaikona, Shane Endacott, Mike Doreen, Marty and Glen Turner.

Iafeta, sounds like RL has a reasonably strong presence there, but do you think that there is a realistic prospect of the next NZRL bid coming from Chch rather than Welly?

It seems like the Wellington guys have at least been on the margins of the expansion debate for a while now, but nothing from further south yet?
 

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The comparison with Melbourne is utter nonsense. Canterbury has a great history in rugby league. In the early 90s, Canterbury had a major dynasty in the NZRL comp. Frank Endacott was the coach, went on to coach both the Kiwis and the Auckland Warriors. In the last 15 or so years from Canterbury there's been Lewis Brown, Brendan Tuuta, Brent Stuart, David Kidwell, Setamaita Sa, Terry Hermannson, Brent Todd, David Vaeleki ... other lesser known Kiwis/first graders from there include Simon Angell, Aaron Whittaker, Corey Lawrie, Kaine Manihera, Blair Harding, Logan Edwards, Tevita Vaikona, Shane Endacott, Mike Doreen, Marty and Glen Turner.

How many internationals has Melbourne contributed by comparison in the past 10-15 years?

To disprove this further, when the Warriors/Knights play in Greymouth for the Pike River memorial, that ground will be a guaranteed sell out. That's from a town with a population of say 10,000 max. Whetu Taewa and Quentin Pongia are recent Kiwis from there. Kane Ferris who played one game for the Warriors is a product of Greymouth.

You beat me too it. I was about to pretty much say exactly this. The Canterbury region has a very long and very proud rugby league pedigree. Canterbury regularly beat Auckland in the national championship, Auckland regularly beat touring international sides. The Canterbury regions setup is vastly superior to that of Vistorias.
 

flippikat

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You beat me too it. I was about to pretty much say exactly this. The Canterbury region has a very long and very proud rugby league pedigree. Canterbury regularly beat Auckland in the national championship, Auckland regularly beat touring international sides. The Canterbury regions setup is vastly superior to that of Vistorias.

yep, the real wilderness for RL in the South Island is Dunedin - which has a mouth-watering covered stadium due to open later this year...
 

Perth Red

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surely depends on where the corporate $'s are? Clubs will need to be bringing in somewhere in the regiopn of $8-10mill in sponsorship and corporate support. Does Christchurch have that big a business base?
 

Perth Red

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No, it is likely clubs will be looking at min incomes of $16mill and to be a top club $20mill+ come 2013. Unlikely the NRL grant will be above $6mill. That is $10-14mill extra income needed. Depending on crowds/memberships/stadium deals etc that still leaves a fair whack of sponsorship and corporate support needed. I know the Reds are looking at a starting operating budget of $15mill min with corporate support/sponsorship of around $7mill per year.
 

docbrown

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No, it is likely clubs will be looking at min incomes of $16mill and to be a top club $20mill+ come 2013. Unlikely the NRL grant will be above $6mill. That is $10-14mill extra income needed. Depending on crowds/memberships/stadium deals etc that still leaves a fair whack of sponsorship and corporate support needed. I know the Reds are looking at a starting operating budget of $15mill min with corporate support/sponsorship of around $7mill per year.

Those numbers sounds right.

What every club really needs is a business supremo/group behind them and for the club to diversify its investments into things like real estate to secure long term revenue streams.
 

Iafeta

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Iafeta, sounds like RL has a reasonably strong presence there, but do you think that there is a realistic prospect of the next NZRL bid coming from Chch rather than Welly?

It seems like the Wellington guys have at least been on the margins of the expansion debate for a while now, but nothing from further south yet?

I think Wellington would be the central hub for a team. As I understand it, the Orcas bid is still a work in progress, and the business model surrounding the bid is 8 games in Wellington, 3-4 around other parts including Christchurch. Their aim is to encapsulate the southern part of NZ, from say Lake Taupo downwards, as the Orcas being their team. One criticism that is heavily drawn on the Warriors, fairly from one point of view but I suspect without a lot of knowledge of the commercial deals struck with sponsors and Mt Smart Stadium (ARC), is that they don't go beyond Auckland a great deal. So there is an ideal niche there to target.

Wellington of course is also a very stronger area. The catchment the Orcas are proposing... in terms of players that have come through there, you have Johnny and David Lomax, Stephen Kearney, David Faiumu, Paul Whatuira, up into Taranaki you have Issac Luke, into Horowhenua you have Russell Packer, across the Cook Strait into Nelson you have Simon Mannering, Ben Matulino, Morvin Edwards, Super Syd Eru, Mose Masoe from the Roosters, Alehana Mara coming through at the Warriors, Kevin Tamati, back into Taranaki there's Howie Tamati, Sam Stewart from the Newcastle Knights... and leaguies who were lost to union for lack of opportunity as one of the reasons include Tana Umaga. There's always been speculation around players like Piri Weepu who could be attained in league with a Wellington team.

At the moment, the Storm have built partnerships with some of the better colleges in Christchurch, and as I understand it have been picking through Wellington as well. These areas are becoming more heavily scouted when you take a line halfway through the North Island down you have players of the ilk of Kearney, Luke, Mannering, Lewis Brown, Brent Stuart, Terry Hermansson, Dave Vaeleki... junior players numbers should go up with better pathways surrounding an NRL team as well.
 

Sam H

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and leaguies who were lost to union for lack of opportunity as one of the reasons include Tana Umaga. There's always been speculation around players like Piri Weepu who could be attained in league with a Wellington team.

That's one of the things thats interesting for me. You often hear of prominent ABs from the Wellington area who seem to have a pretty strong RL connection. Guys like Umaga and Weepu as you say (and possibly others like Nonu, Collins?). Another professional pathway in NZ could only be a positive on that front.

It's a pity we don't see more 'on the road' games in Southern NZ. Warriors aside, with the sucess of Tigers and Roosters 'home' games taken to Christchurch over the last few years (and the Bulldogs in Wellington before that), it would be good to see a bit more action on that front from the Aussie clubs.
 

winnyason

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this is certainly an interesting development if indeed the bid gets off the ground then in all honestly perth may get pushed out for central coast and southern kiwi team.
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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I think people need to seriously wrap their heads around the fact that if expansion is to happen in 2013, it will be the Reds and 99% the Bears.

adamkungl said earlier that no bid should be rejected but rather given a timeline for entry. 2020, Qld 4, NZ 2.
 

Iafeta

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The biggest thing going against the Orcas is simple - lack of known backers. A few years ago there was the supposed Belgian Billionaire. I don't think this 'Belgian Billionaire' is still involved. On the other fronts it has massive advantages:

* Growth of media rights you would suspect with Sky
* Very good junior pool
* Very good history particularly in Canterbury with rugby league
* A good and long history of top class internationals have come from Wellington/Christchurch
* A number of good All Blacks have basically gone that path down there because of the lack of tangible professional opportunities aside from the Warriors
* Remembering football has been a backburner sport in terms of support over the past 15-20 years in NZ, the crowd success of the Wellington Phoenix, and the absolutely huge fan community it has... compare that to the Kingz and the NZ Knights, Wellingtonians are very good at getting through the gate..
* A top class international sports stadium (also terrific stadia in Christchurch also)
* Both Christchurch and Wellington have continually turned up to out-of-town games. Personally, I like the Central Coast bid, but one of their comments about their crowds (and lack thereof) surrounds that they have no team and are supporting out of towners. Neither of these centres truly take to the Warriors who are really for all intents and purposes regarded as Auckland, and by default they support them. Last year, the Warriors and Roosters, who from memory weren't in peak form, played in Christchurch. A crowd of 20,000 turned up in the most pitiful conditions imaginable. The weather was atrocious. Still they turned up. And both Wellington/Chch basically have turned up to every opportunity given to them without complaint, without excuses.

What continually saddens me is seeing the Kolpak rule rorted by clubs in the English Super League. It'd be fantastic for international football to see a number of Kiwis (and Pacific Islanders for that matter) stay in the NRL and ensure they are available.

We have a very real opportunity to market this game there. The Kiwis are a hot ticket at the moment. The NZRL finally is starting to get its back office together. It'd be great for the stability of international competition to see New Zealand have two professional pathways.

The other issue is just a complete and utter lack of media exposure to the bid. The Central Coast and Perth bids have obviously passionately espoused the strengths of their bids, yet the Orcas seem to have quietened down. I thought the bid may have died, but according to the below, its very much still alive. They need to increase their media profile significantly, market it like the Wellington Phoenix did who gained an enormous club community via a very active marketing presence using a variety of social network medians.

There was an interesting article recently published interview the CEO of the Orcas...

Interview with Wellington RL CEO Jason Hemson on NRL expansion


It has been a big few weeks for Kiwi rugby league. Two home Tests played in front of big crowds in Wellington and Auckland, with mixed performances from the home team (and the home crowds). Over in London, former Kiwi prodigy Sonny Bill Williams made his debut in for All Blacks, while down under the Melbourne Storm were busy signing up the schoolboy son of former New Zealand rugby union skipper Tana Umaga and Hugh McGahan.

During the NRL finals series, footy footy footy’s Nick F talked to Wellington RL CEO Jason Hemson about recent developments in New Zealand rugby league, the importance of another rugby league pathway for talented New Zealand juniors, and the longer-term plan for an expanded NRL presence across the Tasman. Here’s the transcript of their chat.

Footy footy footy: How much progress do you feel the NZRL has made through the SPARC process ? Has it worked?

Jason Hemson: Absolutely. I’ve been involved in the game for 30-odd years, I’ve lived over here for 20 years now and continually the game over here has managed to shoot itself in the foot. The big shake-up came two and a half years ago when SPARC told us we needed to go through the review or we would get no assistance from them.

About 14 months ago we had Jim Doyle come on as CEO who is a businessman with no background in RL and he gave us some fresh ideas and a fresh focus to provide some leadership that’s been badly lacking in this sport over here for a long time. Already there have been some significant things happen in terms of sponsorship and business activities and overall the structure and pathways that have been created within the rugby league environment, so it’s a pretty exciting time for rugby league in New Zealand.

FFF: How important is it to have a second pathway for New Zealand rugby league juniors? In the last generation of All Blacks there are a number including Tana Umaga, Piri Weepu and Ma’a Nonu who are from the Wellington area and have strong rugby league backgrounds. Would a second team help stop the flow of talented youngsters away from the game?

JH: It would be huge. I believe that long term New Zealand could have three teams, I’m talking in 15 years time. Obviously getting a second team in is pretty important in the short to medium term to but long term there’s no doubt that there’s the football talent here to have three teams, especially when you have a look at the number of Maori and Polynesian kids that are coming through the Toyota Cup and are establishing themselves in the NRL.

Apart from the players you mentioned, Tana, Piri, what’s happening now, all those kids that are coming through that are going to play Super 15’s and All Blacks rugby will have had a taste of rugby league as well. We have a Colleges competition here that runs post rugby season to get all of the kids involved. We have 17 colleges involved, so the likelihood is that if a kid plays for his school in the 1st XV he’s probably also had experience playing RL as well.

If you have a look at the kids who have come out of the greater Wellington area – the South Island as well because that is part of our catchment area – you’ve got the likes of Simon Mannering who came from Nelson to play RL in Wellington, you’ve got Ben Matulino who’s a local junior who’s doing well up there. You’ve got Russell Packer, who’s just a little up the line at Otaki, and you’ve got Lewis Brown who’s a Christchurch boy. Alan Mara is another Wellington junior who’s cracked it with the Warriors up there, Mose Masoe at the Roosters, Isaac Luke who came from Taranaki but who came through Wellington to get his opportunity at Souths, Weller Hauraki who comes from up Dannevirke way.

We’ve got about eight to ten a year who go off to the NRL clubs, who go into the Toyota cup or the comp just below that. We’ve got the talent here but providing those pathways for them is hugely important, because as good as those NRL clubs have become at nurturing and helping the young kids from New Zealand, it’s still nothing like being at home. In terms of their family environment, a lot of the Polynesian culture is all about family. By having another team here it means we haven’t got kids leaving that safe environment, and there’ll be an even better chance of those kids succeeding in the top level.

FFF: So you are confident that rugby league is strong enough in terms of junior player base in New Zealand right now to sustain two NRL teams?

JH: I definitely believe there is. Already in this season I’ve got four or five kids that are on their way to NRL clubs for trials and scholarships and that type of thing. I think by having a second NRL team will only strengthen that.

It means that those kids that are tossing up between rugby and league now have another option. At the moment only rugby has that professional pathway for them with a strong domestic competition so it’s easier for kids to choose that. Having another NRL club on the doorstep would make rugby league more attractive to these kids.

Our numbers are growing here in Wellington. It’s certainly growing in Christchurch as well. It’s probably going to be another three or four years until we see a huge increase in numbers from the things put in place by NZRL. Just here in Wellington we’ve enjoyed success in the last 18-24 months in terms of the competitions that we run in raising the profile of RL as a sport, as a pathway, as an opportunity for kids. We’ve also been pretty lucky here in Wellington in that we’ve had a number of ex-NRL players come back and be able to put something back into the game locally and also provide those pathway links to NRL clubs. The likes of Johnny Lomax, David Lomax, other ex-NRL players who have been here and enabled us to open pathways.

FFF: You mentioned Christchurch. Are you going to be working as closely with them as the old ‘Southern Orcas’ bid did?

JH: Most definitely. There haven’t been any major discussions with them down there at the moment, [although] we touched based with them 2 years ago when we first looked at getting this off the ground. That’s definitely part of the plan, given the success of the Roosters game played down their earlier this year. Most times that RL has been played down there its been very well supported, and they’ve got a fairly big catchment area down there.

Definitely the plan would be to play 3 and 4 games a season outside of Wellington. I’d imagine that two of those would be in Christchurch, perhaps one in Dunedin, which will have the new enclosed stadium, and another one in the North Island near Taranaki.

FFF: What feedback have you had from the NRL?

JH: There’s been nothing put forward to them at this stage. The last conversation I had with Graham Annesley was about 12 months ago. Prior to that I had indicated to him that we were looking to put a bid together, just wanting to find out the major areas of concern they would have.

I had a year over with the Titans in 2007, working for one of their major sponsors, so I spent a bit of time around Michael Searle and got to find out the ins and outs of the success of their bid. The NRL had initially said no to the Gold Coast, but Michael wouldn’t take no for an answer. He kept going back. The bottom line from what Graham Annesley was look, if you make the case so compelling that we can’t ignore it in terms of income for the NRL and growing the game and viewership, then it would be very hard to say no to a bid that brought all those things to the table.

Whether the criteria for us here in Wellington is the same criteria they had for the Gold Coast… it’s probably going to be a little bit different. The Gold Coast criteria would have had a lot to do with dollars in the bank, given that an NRL team had failed there three times before. They didn’t have a stadium, they didn’t have infrastructure there, so that was another thing they needed to tick off. One big thing they did have was the growth of rugby league in the area of the junior numbers. Once they were able to satisfy all of those [other] things, I think it was no doubt they were ready to put a team there. At that time the Gold Coast had matured enough as a city in its own right to be able to maintain a team and I think if you have a look at the history of the Titans it’s been well worth it and they’ve been vindicated for putting a team there.

For us in Wellington, we don’t have the pure numbers in terms of juniors that perhaps the Gold Coast do. But it wouldn’t just be based on Wellington. It would be based on a larger catchment area, so if you had a look at that you’re talking 1.5 million people, which is a lot bigger in terms of when you’re talking about some of the other bids. So our junior numbers do stack up in those terms. We’ve got the infrastructure here in terms of a major stadium which would be Westpac, so the only stumbling block we’ve got at the moment would be the dollars, the money in the bank. I’m more than confident that we’d be able to get that across the line if there was a timeframe for expansion put in place. What we have done in the last three or four months is start to crank things up on that side of it, to ensure that when the time does come to put a bid in that we’ve got the money there to substantiate it.

FFF: So you’re viewing the whole South Island as a potential player base?

JH: I think you have to. There are only 4.5 million people in NZ and a third of those live in Auckland. The Greater Wellington area has about half a million people, and if you include the area of Taranaki – which is only a four hour drive – or Hawkes bay –which is a four hour drive; and obviously the south Island – Christchurch is a one hour plane trip – then you’re talking substantial numbers. We’d be looking to get the backing and get the support of all of those.

The Warriors over here are supported by default more than anything outside of Auckland. The bottom line is they are really the Auckland Warriors not the New Zealand Warriors. They don’t do much for the development of the game outside of Auckland, and that’s another reason I believe we need a second team out of NZ to further develop the game and have a professional team responsible for developing the game outside of Auckland.

FFF: Will part of your bid include highlighting the advantages a second team in NZ would have to the NRL in terms of it’s scheduling, offering an additional time zone to broadcasters?

Absolutely, I think that’s one of the big things we do give to them, the ability to have a game in NZ every weekend. What it also does is add another local derby. You can imagine the first game of the season at Westpac stadium against the Warriors – we would fill it out! You put together a number of different scenarios in season draws based on different groupings of teams and local derbys and the NRL seems to be pretty interested in that sort of thing, with the success of the mini QLD derby. I’d see a situation between the Melbourne side and the two New Zealand sides there’d be a little sort of triangle derby going on, given the number of NZ players going through Melbourne and the number of New Zealanders working there. Given the amount of work that Melbourne’s done over here, there’s a really close tie with them.

FFF: How important is the crowd for the upcoming test match going to be for your bid? [Note: the New Zealand v England game in Wellington ultimately drew a crowd of 20,681].

JH: I think it will be a fairly good indicator as to whether there are people willing to support rugby league at that level. There’s a couple of things we’ve got going against us with the timing of the Test match. It’s over the Labour weekend, Wellington tends to pour away over the Labour weekend. It’s against the English as well, as opposed to Australia. But given all those things I’m confident we’ll get a fairly good crowd here. Previously, when there have been NRL games here with the likes of the Bulldogs and Canberra, the crowd support was really good. It was only when the Warriors weren’t competitive for a couple of seasons that the crowds dropped down to 12,000 or 15,000. We will be looking to use another venue apart from Westpac in the Wellington area as well, which would be more purpose built for RL – a rectangular stadium, seating 15,000. We’d probably be using a facility like that for eight or so of the games a season as well.

FFF: How difficult do you think it will be to crack the Wellington sporting market, given the existence of the Super 15 franchise and the improving Wellington Pheonix A-League team?

JH: One thing I will say about Wellington in the 20 years I’ve been here is that they do love their sport. It’s like a mini-Melbourne if you like. Wellingtonians will get in behind all of their sporting codes. It is one of the things that has been thrown up to me as the huge stumbling block, but I just see it as another challenge. Obviously it will be difficult but it won’t be impossible.

One of the good things about having a team in the NRL is that you’re not going to be solely reliant on sponsors that are New Zealand based, because it is an Australasian competition with international exposure. You have the ability there to think of outside of New Zealand in terms of sponsorship.

FFF: Which bids do you think will give you the strongest competition?

JH: If you have a look on the emotional side of things, the Central Coast is there, the old North Sydney Bears. They’ve certainly been working on it for a number of years and they’ve certainly got some money behind them as well. If they didn’t get in I think a lot of people would be surprised, the public would be surprised.

I think if you look behind the scenes though and look at what each bid might bring, the Central Coast wouldn’t bring very much in terms of new fans, because the Central Coast is already a rugby league town. I don’t think they would bring a lot in terms of extra TV revenue. I think realistically Perth – and I wouldn’t have said this 12 months ago because I didn’t think the NRL would try and take the AFL head-on in their own markets – there’s a lot of money over there, and enough resources. And if people are willing to get behind the team I think they would be ahead of even the Central Coast as the best option for the NRL as a business proposal. They also offer another timezone as well.

FFF: How important would it be to get this second New Zealand team on the back of the SPARC review and the hard-fought gains of the Warriors over the last decade?

JH: I think it’s crucial for the game in New Zealand, long term, I think it’s hugely important for the game here. Twenty years ago Kiwi teams were getting picked out of local New Zealand club sides. I was playing alongside the likes of Johnny Lomax and Tana Umaga. There’s never going to be a kid picked out of a New Zealand club side to play for the Kiwis ever again. The landscape over here has changed hugely and it’s that professional era. If the game is going to grow here at the grassroots level we’re going to need to provide pathways for kids to play at the highest level, but in New Zealand, and I think that’s why, long-term, there is an opportunity for NZ to have [even] a third team.

http://www.footyfootyfooty.com/2010/11/interview-with-wellington-rl-ceo-jason.html
My only concern remains whether they truly have a financial consortium supporting them to sustain them through the difficulties of high set up costs.
 
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