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Who is the bigger scum?

Bigger scum?


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Bulldog Benny

Juniors
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148
None of them were developed by you lot, which is the point. Most were playing senior league in either Queensland or country NSW (or NZ). Good recuitment of young guns, yes, but the ones actually developed by you guys through your junior system are marked as such.

Who you support????
 

LESStar58

Referee
Messages
25,496
and to think the 3rd one was legit because they were " under the cap" your kidding yourself.

How can a team get busted in the magnitude that melbourne did in 2010 then win a premiership only 2 years later???

Its like robbing the bank of million dollars, stashing the money, getting busted, doing 2 years jail, get out and live of the money you stashed and stole.

:lol:

FMD some Bulldogs fans are dense. Shortest memories in the NRL. Residual butthurt from the 2012 decider, BB?

By that logic, your 2004 premiership is not "legit" either and Melbourne were (justifiably) forced to offload more players than the Bulldogs did. The NRL learned their lesson by letting the Bulldogs players take pay cuts when they ended up with the trophy 2 years later. Melbourne were not allowed to give their players pay cuts to keep them together and won a comp by retaining 3 key players and (again, justifiably) offloading representative caliber players.

Answer me this; if the Bulldogs had won in 2002 and had been found out for cheating the cap afterwards, would they have not had that premiership stripped? The only difference between the Dogs of 2002 and the Storm of 2010 is that the former didn't have the humiliation of having premierships stripped. The only legacy left by the Bulldogs in 2002 was a 16 win stretch tainted by cap cheating and 37 (from memory) points stripped. In either case, the punishment for both clubs was handed out accordingly.

/rant

P.S. 14-4. Enjoy your runner's up tag for at least 6 more months.
 

dogslife

Coach
Messages
18,985
:lol:

FMD some Bulldogs fans are dense. Shortest memories in the NRL. Residual butthurt from the 2012 decider, BB?

By that logic, your 2004 premiership is not "legit" either and Melbourne were (justifiably) forced to offload more players than the Bulldogs did. The NRL learned their lesson by letting the Bulldogs players take pay cuts when they ended up with the trophy 2 years later. Melbourne were not allowed to give their players pay cuts to keep them together and won a comp by retaining 3 key players and (again, justifiably) offloading representative caliber players.

Answer me this; if the Bulldogs had won in 2002 and had been found out for cheating the cap afterwards, would they have not had that premiership stripped? The only difference between the Dogs of 2002 and the Storm of 2010 is that the former didn't have the humiliation of having premierships stripped. The only legacy left by the Bulldogs in 2002 was a 16 win stretch tainted by cap cheating and 37 (from memory) points stripped. In either case, the punishment for both clubs was handed out accordingly.

/rant

P.S. 14-4. Enjoy your runner's up tag for at least 6 more months.
Only took an hour
 

LESStar58

Referee
Messages
25,496
SBW for his well-documented escape from his contract.

Or...

The Canterbury Bulldogs club who were found guilty of a large salary cap breach in 2002, in effect ripping off every fan from every club.

I think it is a lot to be said when one individual is scummier than the scummiest club in the comp (salary cap breaches, gang rape allegations, thuggish fans, setting off bombs at games at ANZ, pro-Osama bin Laden chants, general scally wag behavior) but I'm surprised that Khodder Nasser is not nominated in that list.

Sure $BW bailed on his contract but some of the ridiculous demands and restrictions can be boiled down to Nasser. Didn't he insist Williams not play for the Roosters against the Bulldogs as it was going to be a Dogs home game and he doesn't want the Bulldogs making money off his client's presence.
 

LESStar58

Referee
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25,496
Now to sit and wait for Timmah to come in and say the dogs did get rid of players between 02 and 04

Nigel Vangana went to Cronulla and if memory serves he was the only player of any note that went elsewhere though I will happily stand corrected.
 

Bulldog Benny

Juniors
Messages
148
:lol:

FMD some Bulldogs fans are dense. Shortest memories in the NRL. Residual butthurt from the 2012 decider, BB?

By that logic, your 2004 premiership is not "legit" either and Melbourne were (justifiably) forced to offload more players than the Bulldogs did. The NRL learned their lesson by letting the Bulldogs players take pay cuts when they ended up with the trophy 2 years later. Melbourne were not allowed to give their players pay cuts to keep them together and won a comp by retaining 3 key players and (again, justifiably) offloading representative caliber players.

Answer me this; if the Bulldogs had won in 2002 and had been found out for cheating the cap afterwards, would they have not had that premiership stripped? The only difference between the Dogs of 2002 and the Storm of 2010 is that the former didn't have the humiliation of having premierships stripped. The only legacy left by the Bulldogs in 2002 was a 16 win stretch tainted by cap cheating and 37 (from memory) points stripped. In either case, the punishment for both clubs was handed out accordingly.

As i said before melbourne where the better team on the day re gf.

What we got in 02 was deserved and if we had won the comp in 02 i would have understood if it was stripped.
/rant

P.S. 14-4. Enjoy your runner's up tag for at least 6 more months.
 

Lambretta

First Grade
Messages
8,689
None of them were developed by you lot, which is the point. Most were playing senior league in either Queensland or country NSW (or NZ). Good recuitment of young guns, yes, but the ones actually developed by you guys through your junior system are marked as such.

Very few players make it into first grade playing for the team that is represented by the area where their parents live.

Most clubs identify young players playing in the youth comps around the country and then bring them to their clubs to be developed through the youth system which is now the NYC.

There appear to be 15 junior clubs in the Cronulla Sutherland area for example. Now what level of involvement and development, funding etc does the Cronulla club have with those fifteen clubs from their area? Did they set them up? Do the Cronulla board appoint people to run those clubs? Do they choose the managers, the programs, the training regimes, the trainers etc or is that left to the individual clubs to organise themselves?

Just who are the young juniors actually playing for? Other than Souths juniors (a completely separate entity from South Sydney) all junior players pay a fee to register to play for a local club - they're not enticed to play by the first grade clubs themselves.

Please bear in mind that this is a genuine query and I'm not being funny. But it seems to me that supporters seem to place a massive level of emphasis on where people happened to be living when kids first became interested in Rugby League and they seem to place all the kudos and thanks to the actual clubs for developing the skills of these kids.

Where to my way of thinking, the Juniors clubs don't seem to have as direct a link to the actual clubs in their districts as we're possibly led to believe.

Now I'm happy to be proven wrong, but surely recognising the talents of a young player and bringing them through the set up at your club from youth team to first grade is just as important, if not more so than where that person happened to start playing junior football.
 

Evenflow

Bench
Messages
3,139
Nah doesnt hurt at all melbourne was the better team on the day. What would hurt thou is getting two taken of you.:D

Yep its clear from your posts it doesnt hurt you a bit lol

It did hurt a bit at the time losing the premierships but in saying that the right decision was made. Though i can assure you i moved on from that a long time ago and only savouring being the current premiers.

And how a Dogs fan can possibly criticize the Storm's cheating when his own club have form for the same thing and were allowed to win a comp with virtually the same squad is absolutely beyond me :lol:

There's some dumb f**ks around here and in your 20 posts so far it's clear you're already right up there with the best of them.
 

Bulldog Force

Referee
Messages
20,619
Storm and Bulldogs case is almost identical although the Storm had to actually drop some players the following season.
LOL... that'll do me!

How many Grand Finals did each club make during breach period:

Storm: 4
Bulldogs: 0

How many Minor Premierships were won by each club:

Storm: 2
Bulldogs: 0

How many Premierships were won by each club during breaches?

Storm: 2
Bulldogs: 0

How much prize money did each club win, and then have to pay back after breaches were discovered?

Storm: $1,000,000
Bulldogs: $0.00

How many years did each clubs breaches go for:

Storm: 5
Bulldogs: 2

To reiterate... you said:
Storm and Bulldogs case is almost identical
Almost identical :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

POPEYE

Coach
Messages
11,397
My point exactly, 2 premierships taken away for CHEATING!

and to think the 3rd one was legit because they were " under the cap" your kidding yourself.

How can a team get busted in the magnitude that melbourne did in 2010 then win a premiership only 2 years later???

Its like robbing the bank of million dollars, stashing the money, getting busted, doing 2 years jail, get out and live of the money you stashed and stole.

If the Dogs were attempting to keep the players they developed in '02 by any means possible I'm all for it.
Jealous wanker ranting and raving about the team that is showing the others the way will get you nowhere,
and if you're really worried about criminal activities you should be soapboxing your team's relocation.
 

POPEYE

Coach
Messages
11,397
Very few players make it into first grade playing for the team that is represented by the area where their parents live.

Most clubs identify young players playing in the youth comps around the country and then bring them to their clubs to be developed through the youth system which is now the NYC.

There appear to be 15 junior clubs in the Cronulla Sutherland area for example. Now what level of involvement and development, funding etc does the Cronulla club have with those fifteen clubs from their area? Did they set them up? Do the Cronulla board appoint people to run those clubs? Do they choose the managers, the programs, the training regimes, the trainers etc or is that left to the individual clubs to organise themselves?

Just who are the young juniors actually playing for? Other than Souths juniors (a completely separate entity from South Sydney) all junior players pay a fee to register to play for a local club - they're not enticed to play by the first grade clubs themselves.

Please bear in mind that this is a genuine query and I'm not being funny. But it seems to me that supporters seem to place a massive level of emphasis on where people happened to be living when kids first became interested in Rugby League and they seem to place all the kudos and thanks to the actual clubs for developing the skills of these kids.

Where to my way of thinking, the Juniors clubs don't seem to have as direct a link to the actual clubs in their districts as we're possibly led to believe.

Now I'm happy to be proven wrong, but surely recognising the talents of a young player and bringing them through the set up at your club from youth team to first grade is just as important, if not more so than where that person happened to start playing junior football.

Logic, and from a Rooster supporter. All clubs are required to foster junior development by the NRL. No clubs own
any junior players. If clubs are interested in nurturing players into the NRL they have to get off their arse and look for them.
 

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