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Who wins the Premiership?

Who wins the Premiership?

  • Penrith

    Votes: 66 40.2%
  • Storm

    Votes: 44 26.8%
  • Eels

    Votes: 9 5.5%
  • Roosters

    Votes: 14 8.5%
  • Raiders

    Votes: 8 4.9%
  • Knights

    Votes: 3 1.8%
  • Rabbits

    Votes: 13 7.9%
  • Manly

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Sharks

    Votes: 6 3.7%

  • Total voters
    164

Blues Riff

Bench
Messages
3,351
Yeah the 5 yr plan is a myth invented by Buzz. It will be regularly re-hashed by internet morons though.
Here's something interesting. Go through the Panthers current squad and note the number of lower grade Grand finalists and Premiers we still have going back to 2015. It's over half the team.
There's a 5 year plan for you.
fkn dribblers.
 

gerg

Juniors
Messages
2,489
Yeah the 5 yr plan is a myth invented by Buzz. It will be regularly re-hashed by internet morons though.
Here's something interesting. Go through the Panthers current squad and note the number of lower grade Grand finalists and Premiers we still have going back to 2015. It's over half the team.
There's a 5 year plan for you.
fkn dribblers.

Are you re-hashing it or just having a go at other posters for re-hashing it in a different way to you re-hashing it?

Secondly, is there a five year plan? It's unclear whether you think there is a five year plan with just a little confusion about the start date of the five year plan?
 

King hit

Coach
Messages
14,071
Yeah the 5 yr plan is a myth invented by Buzz. It will be regularly re-hashed by internet morons though.
Here's something interesting. Go through the Panthers current squad and note the number of lower grade Grand finalists and Premiers we still have going back to 2015. It's over half the team.
There's a 5 year plan for you.
fkn dribblers.
Gould made Penrith much stronger then he found it. There’s nothing more you can say about that
 

Blues Riff

Bench
Messages
3,351
Are you re-hashing it or just having a go at other posters for re-hashing it in a different way to you re-hashing it?

Secondly, is there a five year plan? It's unclear whether you think there is a five year plan with just a little confusion about the start date of the five year plan?
Yeah you do seem confused. I thought I'd made myself perfectly clear, however-

The 5 year plan never existed. It became a buzzword(s) after Phil Rothfield, wrote articles based on the fact that Phil Gould when he moved to Panthers, had said that the financial affairs of the club would take "at least half a decade to fix". No mention of any plan, and definitely no plan or timeline for Premiership success.
You with me so far?
OK so even though the plan was a complete fallacy, it is regularly brought up in a derogatory way to highlight the failings of both the club and Gould himself.
In the second paragraph I have given a great example of the success of the systems put in place at the time. I then used creative license in calling this success "a 5 year plan" (not "the 5 year plan").
I hope this clear up your confusion.
 

Angry_eel

First Grade
Messages
8,650
Yeah you do seem confused. I thought I'd made myself perfectly clear, however-

The 5 year plan never existed. It became a buzzword(s) after Phil Rothfield, wrote articles based on the fact that Phil Gould when he moved to Panthers, had said that the financial affairs of the club would take "at least half a decade to fix". No mention of any plan, and definitely no plan or timeline for Premiership success.
You with me so far?
OK so even though the plan was a complete fallacy, it is regularly brought up in a derogatory way to highlight the failings of both the club and Gould himself.
In the second paragraph I have given a great example of the success of the systems put in place at the time. I then used creative license in calling this success "a 5 year plan" (not "the 5 year plan").
I hope this clear up your confusion.
So if the "not the 5 year plan" was working so well, why was Gus fired from the Panthers, or should I say "went separate ways".

Tbh, I have no issue with Panthers winning it this year, they've done well. I just hate how Gus gets to claim credit for shit he does and no dirt for what he f**ks up.
 

Blues Riff

Bench
Messages
3,351
Even the Penrith fans that are glad he's gone give him the credit he deserves for the junior pathways systems. Sorry if he annoys you on the telly.
 

soc123_au

Moderator
Staff member
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19,850
So if the "not the 5 year plan" was working so well, why was Gus fired from the Panthers, or should I say "went separate ways".

Tbh, I have no issue with Panthers winning it this year, they've done well. I just hate how Gus gets to claim credit for shit he does and no dirt for what he f**ks up.

Gus is a strange animal, but you cant dispute he is a good operator. He does have a limited shelf life though. His resume as a coach speaks for itself. He did inherit quality teams at the Dogs & Panthers (90,91) but he did a good job of reinventing himself at the Roosters. They were a basket case when he arrived there. Uncle Nick is a brilliant business man, but that doesnt necessarily translate to being good at running an NRL club. He may not have won a comp at the Chooks, but what he did was help turn them into being a very well run club. Politis is obviously an intelligent man & learnt well from what Gus showed him. They have f**k all juniors, but since Gus went there they have consistently targeted the right kids & developed them into NRL players. The sustained success has also allowed them to get quality players to add the icing at the right price because it's now an attractive destination. A far cry from the transit lounge it was before Gus.

Origin he instilled pride in the jersey, he knew long before anyone else in NSW worked it out that QLD spirit was a tangible thing. The results speak for themselves.

His review of the Cowboys is an interesting one. Prior to Gus getting involved they were on the edge of success, but couldnt take the next step. I really dont know exactly what he did there, but JT credits him as to a big part of the reason he went to the next level as a player. After Gus did whatever the hell he did, the Cows had a nice run of success & topped it off with a premiership.

Penrith has always been a sleeping giant with great resources. But for a long time it seemed the board were more interested in building a leagues club empire than a decent footy team. It was almost as if the football team was a necessary evil to allow the licenced clubs to operate. In the late eighties it looked like things might turn around, Sheens started the ball rolling & then Ron Willey added the hard edge we had never had. Gus came in at the end and finally delivered us a premiership. It looked like we had finally awoken until the tragedy of 1992 ripped the heart out of the club & we returned to the abyss. 2003 imo was more good luck than good management, that is in no way meant to diminish what Lang & his team achieved, but it didnt last long. Telling Lang he was gone mid 2006 in favour of Matthew Elliott was typical Penrith.

When Gus arrived we were a hot mess. On field we had nothing, the players ran the team & the leagues club empire was crumbling. This is where the whole 5 year plan bullshit came about. After he had the time to see what he was up against he said it would take half a decade to fix the mess. This is the time he really shone as an administrator. He didn't take over the coaching, he didn't take over the leagues club. He identified the right people and put them in the right jobs. He also had the clout to get the right financial backers on board to help fix the mess. He got rid of the players that were too big for their boots & bought in experienced players with good attitudes. He said up front that this wouldn't be a quick fix, but the rewards will follow. I remember being horrified, Lewis, Jennings etc out the door for Newton, Ciraldo etc. Over time things got better, the kids started to come through, we signed higher quality players in positions we needed them in. Once the academy was built & the pathways put in place was maybe the time to phase him out. The final few years he did a few weird things. I think he is the type of person who has to be busy, once the important stuff was done I think he couldnt resist the temptation to meddle.

I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do with the Warriors. I think the way they have set it up is right, if he stays focused on his task & is provided the resources he needs then look out, It could be lets gone warriors time.
 

Blues Riff

Bench
Messages
3,351
From memory, Gus had the finances sorted in four and a half years.
Who wins the Premiership? No idea. Probably Storm.
 

GongPanther

Referee
Messages
28,676
Yeah the 5 yr plan is a myth invented by Buzz. It will be regularly re-hashed by internet morons though.
Here's something interesting. Go through the Panthers current squad and note the number of lower grade Grand finalists and Premiers we still have going back to 2015. It's over half the team.
There's a 5 year plan for you.
fkn dribblers.
Notice over the past number of days the journos are trying to brainwash the public into thinking the new rules have promoted more injuries...and Penrith are due a loss. (stares at sundial.)
 

GongPanther

Referee
Messages
28,676
Are you re-hashing it or just having a go at other posters for re-hashing it in a different way to you re-hashing it?

Secondly, is there a five year plan? It's unclear whether you think there is a five year plan with just a little confusion about the start date of the five year plan?
He has to mention it being it is the subject of his reply.
 

gerg

Juniors
Messages
2,489
Yeah you do seem confused. I thought I'd made myself perfectly clear, however-

The 5 year plan never existed. It became a buzzword(s) after Phil Rothfield, wrote articles based on the fact that Phil Gould when he moved to Panthers, had said that the financial affairs of the club would take "at least half a decade to fix". No mention of any plan, and definitely no plan or timeline for Premiership success.
You with me so far?
OK so even though the plan was a complete fallacy, it is regularly brought up in a derogatory way to highlight the failings of both the club and Gould himself.
In the second paragraph I have given a great example of the success of the systems put in place at the time. I then used creative license in calling this success "a 5 year plan" (not "the 5 year plan").
I hope this clear up your confusion.

I imagine this is what sharing a joke with Anthony Griffin was like.
 

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